Chuck - you desperate attempts to resuscitate Wsex are pathetic... every one of 10 posters reports a positive a fast payout and you immediately applaud WSEX... what do you think that we are stupid?... you think that we dont know that you are on their payroll.
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yes.good news.
withdrawal $1514 on 2010-01-11
neteller credit $1514 on 2010-01-25Comment -
UV82 and Chuck Sims,
Please stick to facts. Do not discuss each other.Comment -
10 to 1 - 10 bad reports to 1 good report Mr Chuck Wsex SimsComment -
$2,000 received today. Nov. 30th via fedex.
I only made one call last friday and they said it would be early next week and it was.Comment -
it is 10-1 Bad to good ratio and the one called 'good' and Mr Chuck Wsex Sims applauds so much is two weeks to get their money ... this is pathetic.
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i appreciate ALL opinions on sportsbooks. by ANYONE and EVERYONE.what i do not like is personal attacks just for someones opinion. but when you are attacked for you views it is hard not to say something back. seems to me that chuck has been attacked more than most for his views on wsex. i still have money at wsex, still play there, and have complained about all the slow payments i have recieved, mostly with josh's help.but all things consider i still think they are pretty good. payments should be faster. i do not know the real reasons why they are not. but i always knew i would get my money and still have no reason to change that view. i have lost money to scam books in the past. here is how it works. you ask for your money. they do not give to you. not 1 cent.Comment -
chuck calls me ass clown liar and you say that he is the one being attacked ... I never used low level lingo against him ever...
I do not see any reason to applaud WSEX for the 1 payout which took them 2 weeks to process ... Chuck feels some fanatic loyalty toward this bunch of what once upon a time was an A+ book... WSEX payout are a disgrace to a brand which used to be the jewel of the crown.Comment -
U82 - Why are you still posting on this thread? Your opinion is known and you don't even play at WSEX. Your opinion doesn't needed to be posted 1000 times.
Instead, give us a list of all people in the history of WSEX that they stiffed.Comment -
Utah - every time Chuck has a confrontation with me he cannot handle it by himself, so he mobilizes his friends for support?
and by the way can you please clarify your post ("$2,000 received today. Nov. 30th via fedex.") does that mean that you received $2000 today via Fedex for a payout request dated Nov 30th ? that is at least what it sounds like... and if it is, then do you really believe that WSEX deserves a praise for this 8 Weeks delay?
Utah - regarding stiffed players: is that how it works in your books ? If they Stiffed someone they BAD if they didn't they GOOD.
what about 6 weeks to 6 months delay of players payout, is that according to your standards good because they did not stiff anyone ?
and I am not sure why you are criticizing me for OCCASIONALLY expressing my opinion about Wsex, what about Chuck who REGULARLY applauds WSEX for the one in ten times which they pay a players within 2 weeks, which is really pathetic...
I do not understand the fanaticism of protecting WSEX who really do not deserve it... so I do not understand why anyone would defend them with so much passion unless he is has a personal interest in their well being ... e.g being on their payroll etc...
As I said before, SHILLS are dangerous to this forum and its readers... they may fall into the trap.
Chuck/Utah, there is nothing to be upset about with regards to the exchange of words between us regarding WSEX... it is quite clear that you and I have different level of standard as to what we consider GOOD or BAD and that will probably never change... I will indefinitely continue to highlight your unjustified praise for WSEX payouts so you may try and defend it but I will never stop, if I feel that it is required. If you do not want to harm WSEX further try and be more selective with your praise... but if you want to sound a bit more credible at least have have more balanced posts... i.e. offer praise when praise due and criticize when criticism is due.Comment -
Did WSEX screw your girlfriend or something?Comment -
Guys let try to clean up this thread and keep the focus on actual payout times. If not I will have to start sending personal posts to another thread and we will lose an good info that is included. WSEX is a slow pay book right now. They haven't stiffed anyone, but this slow pay goes back to the summer, so it isn't just a bump in the road, it is ongoing.
On another note, I have got confirmation from a couple of players that WSEX is still doing CRIS transfers. And if you use your DSI or Bookmaker ID, those can go through too. Can only do one a week for 2500.Comment -
The last time I did a transfer to Cris from another book they required 1 x roll.Comment -
The one I did was 2 weeks ago ... so I presume that it changed in that period.Comment -
With Josh's help, I finally received my $3000 withdrawal today. Will deposit tomorrow. It was requested 12/4. Thanks to Josh and SBR.Comment -
Thank you, good to knowComment -
Payout Detail
Received a tracking # today for a payout requested on 12-04-09. Also included was an additional payout requested on 1-04-10. Did not expect that one !Comment -
Forgot to mention...both payouts were about a dime.Comment -
Requested 2500 transfer this morning amount debited and then credited to my Cris account.
Total time from requested transfer to completion 3 hours.
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bad news, waited over 2 months for a 3k check, told no mores checks available to canada at the moment, wsex didnt bother to cancel the balance or email me about the changes.
good news, got a 2.5k Mb asap for my trouble .Comment -
I haven't heard anything about my withdrawal requested Dec 17th.Comment -
send a message to JoshW from SBR and he will help you get it quicklyComment -
UV - you are as bad if not worse than anyone. Yeah some are high on the book (me included) but you come out here and keep repeating the same lies. One I keep reading is WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE PLAYERS THAT DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE FORUMS!! Of course the implication is they aren't paying those players. Let me say it again, I have been taking regular payouts from WSEX and have never asked for help on the forum. I don't think it's a bad idea to get SBR involved, it might even expedite things but it is not mandatory. Nobody is getting stiffed whether the post on forums or not.
I've admitted the time we wait now is unacceptable, that's all that can be said. However they do B2B with Cris, Greek amongst others and that is a very big endorsement. They've also been around a long time. Longevity is another thing that is very important, most shut downs are the newer books. In 2001 I was advising new posters if safety was their concern the top books were CRIS (Bookmaker), Pinnacle, Greek and WSEX. Now almost 10 years later I have never led anyone down the wrong path despite a ton of books going down in that time period. Ten years from now my answer probably will be the same. I'm pretty sure WSEX might be the first book to open in Costa Rica. Don't quote me but they are close. They aren't going anywhere, if they do they will pull a Pinnacle and pay everyone on the way out. There are books to worry about, some popular in this forum but WSEX is not one of them.
Lastly I have now two small W/D's pending, one from 12/9 and the other 1/12. I haven't called them once, I Know the time period, not happy but not worried. With some above me saying they got their money from 12/4 it will be interesting to see if my first (12/9) comes in the next week or so. I see nothing wrong with SBR assisting, in fact I think it's great they do it, but please knock off the lie about players getting stiffed that don't know about this site, that is false. Good day.Comment -
Yeah my bad, who can forget all the JC/Antigua stuff. I know there was some controversy over the exact year they opened but regardless they are one of the early one's to move offshore. BTW did you get your money? I know you were waiting on one not long ago.Comment -
why? because I m going to spoil your party at Wsex by telling the truth ?
On the one hand you say that I m a liar but on the other hand you admit that there are implication if they are not paying those player who are not on the forum, which is basically admitting that there is a strong possibility that there are many players who don't know about this forum who haven't been paid... so why are you saying that I repeating lies... after all there are many players on this forum who come here daily with this kind of story:
"I v been waiting for my check since Dec 17" (I presume 2009)
"Bad new: Haven't been paid for 6 month... Good news: got paid by MB in 3 seconds"
"I v been waiting for a check since May but thanks for Joshw got paid with a day."
etc... etc.,. etc... and the stories go on for ever.
You are one of the lucky ones, it is quite evident there are some who get paid quickly mainly by MB, but it is also very clear that there are many people who have been waiting for months for their check.
Not yet, and again we only assume that nobody got stiffed, we don't know that for sure. Judging by the flood of complaints over here. there is a very high probability that there are many out there who don't know about SBR got tiffed because they are not fighters like you or me and don't have the energy to go through the motions of doing what you and I would do if a book like Wsex don't pay us... in any case all the warning signs are there that a potential disaster is up and coming.
Then, why are you pointing fingers at me?
Poor compensation for their incompetency which is reflecting in their unacceptably long payout delays... and again if I m just a simple player and not involved in a forum like SBR how would know about this kind of payout?... and in most cases this is a solution applicable to a few pros who do keep all these accounts with Cris & Greek... this not a solution for the innocent guy out there... s/he wants a check, or a bank transfer and deserves to get one within a day or two.
How good Wsex were in the past gives them a very short window of credit for their lack of performance at present. They have been stuttering with their payout for too long now. They should have sorted it out by now, but they haven't.
I v known Wsex for a long time - in my personal books they were rated AAA+++... that was the good old Wsex1... but the new Wsex (Wsex2) cannot even get the honor of polishing the shoes of Wsex1... these are a different bunch of people ... dishonest bunch of liars... they have been riding on the credibility of Wsex1 for too long now.
whats wrong with you guys are you blind?
Your good advise in 2001 is not a guarantee that WSEX2 will be around in 10 years from now... and in any case WSEX of 2001 is not the same company as WSEX of 2010 (as a result of change of management this company which had the highest level of integrity, lost it all in one day).
...and the fact that there are other books to worry about doesn't ease the worry about WSEX.
in my view your are risking your reputation.
1 outstanding payout from 12/9 = 8 weeks
2nd outstanding payout from 1/12 = 3 week
so after all you are not as lucky as I thought, that is a true reflection of their payout to most people ... that puts them at the same level as Betroyal.
Patrick you are much more tolerant than me then, and unjustifiably so, because a book that holds my money for more than 3 day (which is also wrong - should be 3 minutes) is a dishonest book...
In my businesses I have been paying my suppliers on time or earlier every single month and I expect the same from my debtors... otherwise I do not do business with them... I have the basic understanding that my suppliers also have families to feed and obligations to pay others and I would never dare letting them down... perhaps my standards are different to the norm these days, but there is no limit to the extent of allowing rule breaking to people you deal with (Business associates, employee, friends or family) ... i.e. if you allow them to be late by one day then why not 2 days, or 7 days and then 3 weeks, perhaps a month or 3 & 6 months and the lies attached to every time they are late are disgusting... this never ends - how much out of line one can be and that is not only what takes companies out of business but a whole industry to its knees... it is a matter of culture and if the basic in a culture of an organization is wrong (INTEGRITY) then everything else collapses.
I have the greatest respect for the SBR team for doing what they are doing, but it should be totally unnecessary... SBR have become the debt collectors of their posters from WSEX? is that their role?
You mentioned twice in your post, that I am a liar - can you please quote ONE lie of mine, so that I also know what you are talking about?
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