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Update...
I shared Bet365's information with the player making the complaint, and allowed him the chance to provide additional information. He didn't give any new information.
I concluded that Bet365 did not alter any wager in this dispute.Comment -
Wow some people are really messed up....Comment -
hey im the one who disputed this case
bet365 is suggesting i edited the screenshot? oh yea obviously they would say that wouldnt they to cover themselves up
i have provided the screenshots
as well as screenshots with an operator that said their site was down on that day. and that errors with bets occurred.
i called them on the phone too and spoke with the operator who told me the same thing. when transferred to the manager she denied the site experiencing faults.
i provided all the evidence every screenshots, there is nothing else to show...Comment -
Couple questions:
What were the closing odds on Beck before the match began? 1.33 to 1.42
What was the match score when you placed the in-game bet on Beck? According to Bet365, Beck was down 0-3 (down 1 break) in the last set. The time on the screen shot is consistent with this.
The player states the wager was placed at 1-3, and Beck was winning the 5th game. Even if Beck were down 2-3 and on serve, the odds of him winning would be much worse than they were at the start of the match. I'd estimate it was at 1.7.
I could imagine a situation where a book screws up and offers a bad line - at 1.14 instead of 1.7. What I can't understand is why a player would bet $18,000 on the wrong side of a bad line. This massive inconsistency weighs heavily in favor of bet365, and ultimately convinced me that no wager was placed on Beck at 1.14 odds.
Any other live tennis traders there?
If a favorite closed at 1.38, and was down 0-3 (down 1 break) in the last set, what are fair odds of that player winning? What if he is down 2-3 on serve in the last set?Comment -
they take $18,000 on live tennis?
they wouldn't take $10 from me on NFL sidesComment -
Well, if bet365 says Beck was down 0-3 in the last set (and if they say the truth) I can imagine that Meffert reached 1.14 odds. Two things : Beck lost the 2nd set to 6-0 (source : http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/...=BA86&oId=M836 ), it just raises the chance that Meffert had so low odds... also my (some years) experience that bet365 "favourite" those players who play better during the match (instead of bwin example), and no so important who was the favourite before the match, sometimes it would be good for surebet (although they surely will cut your limits sooner or later), so after a 9-0 run I really can imagine Meffert reached 1.14, player bet, Beck finally won, then the nervous player loaded photoshop...
Also about there is something strange thing : I have 1% limit there, now I can bet on Murray, odds 1.40, maximum stake 30 EUR (=12 EUR winning) win. The original maximum stake would be 3000 EUR ( = 1200 EUR). USD / EUR rate is 1.45, so the 2052 USD exceeds the possible maximum winning 1740 USD. And this is a ATP 1000 final , not a poor challenger tournament. So I'm sure nobody placed bet with 18000 USD. Of course, there is an option, "To request a large bet, increase the Stake/To Win value and click Place Bet. The amount by which this figure exceeds Bet Max will be referred to a Trader", but I don't think so.
The easiest way would be to find out this, I'd ask the login and password of the player then log in.. I think Justin is reliable.. prnl, well?Last edited by Teddy_KGB; 08-16-09, 12:54 PM.Comment -
BET365, live betting ?????
I remeber , once , looooong ago, i placed some bets on horse rading, just for fun, not big ammounts, 5-10 Euro.
And once i put 2 bets on the same horse. So if horse win, I win, if horse lose, i win again (at least some money back)
And interesting was that after the race has finished, one of the bets disappear. And i was 99,999% sure , i put both bets.
Live chat support said: U put JUST one bet (the bet I lost)
It come up to my mind, after I saw someone said: " They do it for years"
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I am working in photoshop for 100 years. Show us screenshoots, can tell u in 1 min, if it is edited or not.
There is also a software can do it.Comment -
he guys, yea i dont mind go for it
ill send screenshots to whoever wants it.
and justin i would give the account pw and name but i closed the account, and just as well bet365 is not even giving me back my remaining balance which is in the account , good on them they know they wrong and still not admiting it.
another thing the bet max i used that and it said it was reffered to the trader as well, and btw its 18000 NZ dollarsComment -
However this user edited something or not.BET365, live betting ?????
I remeber , once , looooong ago, i placed some bets on horse rading, just for fun, not big ammounts, 5-10 Euro.
And once i put 2 bets on the same horse. So if horse win, I win, if horse lose, i win again (at least some money back)
And interesting was that after the race has finished, one of the bets disappear. And i was 99,999% sure , i put both bets.
Live chat support said: U put JUST one bet (the bet I lost)
It come up to my mind, after I saw someone said: " They do it for years"
Bet365 still remains a scam book for Live betting.
To void winning wagers after the event has finished and the losing wagers on the same event graded.... that´s not very smart.Comment -
justin can take my password and account name if he wants, they might open it again who knows,
any information i can provide i will gladly,
im upset that they can just say i edited a screenshot, and not admit to a mistake of their site.
when i have proof of what the operator told me their site went down that day.
if i had edited the screenshot? i would have edited all the previous bets i lost as well
one which was $10000. doesnt make sense at all to me.
justin can pm me if he wants the details and can check my account
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Why would you close the account by yourself if they still owed you money??? dosent make any sense....Comment -
The odds of 1.14 were on Beck (who was down 3-0 or 3-1), not Meffert.Comment -
Justin, i did not see any evidence, from both sides.
But I believe more the user, then the bookie.
(had bad experience, they are ready for evrth., even to lie)
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the only suspicious thing for me is, that the person who lost 18.000, is so calm.
"If u like, u may contact me", and such "easy retoric"
If the bookie would scam me for 18K, I wouldn't stay that calm.
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and why he has closed own account ?
many questions, not so many answersComment -
are you serious ??
ok look why would i want my account open with scammers? a bet company that stole my money,
and before i closed right i withrdrew the money, which has not since arrived, i called them and theyve said its a banking problem, what else can i do? advice would be good
but hey they will still have all the details on their system just a matter of emailing them back.
well i am calm? you guys are asking me to provide the evidence? so thats why i said contact me?
if i said no u cant then obviously thats going to be another thing youll say, "hes suspicious he doesnt want to show evidence"Comment -
So whats the resolution? I always believe the player before the book but if you did change or doctor the screen shot, you're better off admitting it because it isn't going to get you anywhere. However, if you did not change the screenshot then where do you, SBR and BET365.COM go from here???Comment -
can we get a posted picture of this screen shot.. i will be able to tell in a second.. also if you take a negative of the image from the file it will show the area was worked or altered... lets see it..Comment -
I told the same. Its easy to see, if he changed the pics.
I send him PM, to send me pics. We will see
The best would be to share the pics to all, so evb. cant tell own opinion.Comment -
i want to also point out the operator told me the site went down that day, and bets were placed in error with some wagers.
when i talked to the manager, she said the site was fine and full proof.
and i took a screenshot of the convo as well where the operator tells me that the site did in fact go down.
see they lie in that aspect to. just to protect themselves.
iv sent it to bwin the screenshotsComment -
Post the s/s here then. Insert image icon just above the text box.....Comment -
here you goAttached FilesComment -
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What is this shit? I see nothing!Comment -
If you are crazy enought to bet on a wim $18k after lossing $10k. Then you should have enough cash to buy bet365 and run it yourself. Or go on vacation an never bet sports again and enjoy life. It it was your life savings. Then everyone knows you bet on Red in Vegas and then walk away.Comment -
In New Zealand 18K could buy you lots of sheepy friends.Comment -
well i dnno that heehaw guy told me how to post it....
just give ur email ill send it.....
dnno wot ur on bot aggie....Comment -
oh well no worries SBR has already ruled that i havent provided credible evidence. which i dont get because, i sent the screenshots as well as the conversation ones. what other evidence should i get, i cant magically wish for them, and also what else evidence would their be
screenshots should be the first evidence, thats what i took when i placed the bet on andreas beck.
maybe i should have recorded the call from the operator who told me that the site was down at that time and that my bet was incorrect.
oh well no worries, i cant do much except thank SBR for at least hearing me out. thanks guysComment -
If you want to provide the screenshots to the forum, you'll need to enlarge the images. It's impossible to see that you didn't alter it without being able to see the requisite pixels up close.
Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I assume you're going to pursue this via IBAS as it's a lot of money to lose. Of course, if the screenshots can't get any more detailed than what you've posted here, that may well be fruitless. Perhaps you should post on a tennis forum (tennis form, Betfair's tennis forum, tennis insight, etc.) to see if anyone was also placing in-play bets on Bet365 at the same time as you and can corroborate (with their own screenshots, etc.) the odds for each player at the time you placed your bet.Comment -
So, if SBR are not siding with the player or B365 then what do you mods feel about B365? If the player altered the screenshot, should we trust B365 live betting (despite the other reports). I'm asking because my first book was B365 and although, I have been slightly limited, I would like to continue using them.
At this time, is there C rating justified???Comment -
THose aren't the original screenshots, they've been downrezzed to 600*336 (making them unreadable).Comment -
hello,
PRNL send me the pictures. with regular size.
I will feel free, to share my opinion.
I zoomed the pics, and made new partial screen schoots.
1) and 2) are parts of Bet365 screenshoots
3) and 4) are parts of player's schreen shoots
1) BET365 original: http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/343...65original.jpg
2) BET365 original low res: http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/355...llowqualit.jpg
3) Users pics: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9990/userso.jpg
4) Users pics, with my remarks: http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3035/users2.jpg
First , the pics from bookie and player's HAVE different qualities, what makes comparation more difficult.
But...
U can see in 2), when u save picture with lower res,there are some disturbences it the picture.
But for my opinion, in the users pic (see 4)), there are very discussable disturbences. (vertical and horizontal lines at the same time)
I am not expert at all to tell, if it is edited or not, but, i think there COULD BE someone on work.
THE ONLY valid EVIDENCE would be to get back into the match to see what was happening at time 05:59:00 to 05:59:42 (when the bet was placed). The time of placing bet and the quota are 2 things, both side have agreed about.
And which standing at this time would cause the player to put 18K at 1.14
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I'm no expert on this at all but the users pics look blurry to me??? All the light blackened area around the name??? I dont really know what to think. If the player is right, I hope he gets paid. BOLComment
