I read all the US originated reports online. Not a single one blamed the ref for the vicious elbow to the back of the head by Dempsey which was an automatic red card. Apparently this ref is not bad. He is only bad when the calls don't go the US way.
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There is nothing to argue about, the disallowed goal was ridiculous, there is nothing to argue about even FIFA know he got it wrong.
Australia just had a bad decision go against them, I got Ghana but you have to be honest, Kewell shouldn't have got sent off for that.Comment -
It was right call in todays match in that example but the foul was committed before that hand play! :\ I watched it in replay and australian number 2 committed foul (pulling - yellow card) before that shot!Comment -
Just want to know why the ref had the whistle in his mouth before the ball came in.Comment -
When the cross was made in the Ghana game there was a Ghana player pulled down by an Australian defender. Then when the shot was taken by another player the ball was stopped by the arm of the Australian. This was not unintentional because he made a move to stop the ball from going in with a part of his body not allowed. Once he called the penalty the automatic red was obvious because it was a goal scoring opportunity. The Ghana penalty vs Serbia didn't warrant a red card because that was not a goal scoring opportunity and it was also accidental because the Serbian player missed the header and the ball landed on his hand but the rule is it was correctly called a penalty.Comment -
Vicious elbow? How fvckin bias are you buddy. Youre definitely some foreigner who loves to hate on the USA. That elbow was a yellow card , not even close to an "automatic red card". And apparently the ref is bad. He cost us a win and top of the table in the group. You are a real piece of shiitComment -
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This is soccer. Not aussie football or rugby. Learn the rules.Comment -
do you even watch soccer? that happens atleast once a game. AT THE LEAST. go turn on the tv and watch a free header. someone will raise their elbow and hit the other player in the head. it is not a red card unless there is an intention to hurt the other player. "learn the rules" you snobby SOB.Comment -
Yeah go ahead and make the picture lie instead of yourself. You are looking very ignorant in soccer rules when you can't see the elbow flying in the head of a hapless Slovenian defender. They don't wear helmets in soccer!!Comment -
where are you from? let me pick out a challenge from your country's game and biitch and whine about it.Comment -
i dont tink Dempsey intentionally elbowed the Slovenian tbhForward points to Karayilan, i am unable to receive SBR pointsComment -
I'm from Atlanta. But I'm watching commentary that does not originate in the US. And in most countries they judge a ref's performance for the whole game and not just one decision. They all say the ref was bad. They don't say he was bad because of the foul he called that stopped the play on the alleged US goal which went in after the whistle. They say he was bad because he lost control of the game by not penalizing the deliberate hits on Slovenian players.Comment -
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I believe the Los Angeles Times are in the United States.
Before American fans get all hot and bothered about the "goal" by Maurice Edu that was disallowed by referee Koman Coulibaly of Mali, they should rewind the U.S.-Slovenia game tape back to the very first minute.
That's when Clint Dempsey and Slovenia's Zlatan Ljubijankic rose together to head the ball. Trouble was, Dempsey led with his elbow, catching Ljubijankic in the side of the face.
The Slovenian player crumpled to the ground and Dempsey, who kept holding a finger to his head as if to indicate it had been a clash of heads, was extremely fortunate not to have been yellow-carded. If Coulibaly had been in the mood, he might even have shown a red, and it is unlikely the U.S. could have come from two goals down if it had been reduced to 10 men.
As it was, the referee dished out four yellow cards to Slovenia players and only one to the U.S., forward Robbie Findley picking up his second of the tournament. He will have to sit out the decisive game against Algeria on Wednesday.
Meanwhile, there was so much holding and shoving and jostling in the penalty area when Edu redirected Landon Donovan's free kick into the net five minutes from the end that no one could be sure which foul Coulibaly had spotted. He could just as easily have called several Slovenia players for holding.
He didn't explain his call and he does not have to, at least under FIFA's strange regulations. The match is history now. Chances are, the U.S. will defeat Algeria and secure a place in the knockout rounds. If so, all the hot air being expelled at the moment will be forgotten.
The man from Mali should not be taking the heat. In any case, how could he have been against the Americans? After all, he was born on the Fourth of July.
--Grahame L. JonesComment -
do you really think i care what a paper from LA has to say about the game? the person who wrote that article is probably as uneducated about soccer as you are. how about the bear hug on bradely in the box on the free kick? that surely wasnt a foul right?!?!?!Comment -
You can't have it both ways. You assume Pavy's not American because he's not agreeing with you and now you say the LA Times is full of shit. Dude, give it up - it's over. The ref sucked the whole game and if you really want to get technical there should've been more calls on Slovenia than there was. The whistle was blown well before the shot was taken - NO GOAL.
And before you assume again, I'm an American citizen.
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It appears that you will not change your mind regardless of what millions of people saw on live TV and have reported in dozens of newspapers across the globe. Your world revolves around your house and no one can challenge your empire.Comment -
oh wow. now im calling the LA times full of shit. youre full of shit. i said the WRITER was uneducated in soccer. or maybe you are uneducated, because obviously you cant read. it amazing how stupid some people are in these forums
You can't have it both ways. You assume Pavy's not American because he's not agreeing with you and now you say the LA Times is full of shit. Dude, give it up - it's over. The ref sucked the whole game and if you really want to get technical there should've been more calls on Slovenia than there was. The whistle was blown well before the shot was taken - NO GOAL.
And before you assume again, I'm an American citizen.Comment -
There is nothing to argue about, the goal shouldn't have been disallowed, the elbow has nothing to do with this I have seen people do worse and get away with it and do less and get sent off. However, there was no reason for not allowing the goal, the US team did nothing wrong, the ref made a mistake and that's the end of the story. He was a bad ref, gave bad decisions against Slovenia and USA.Comment -
that's why I don't like wagering on soccer...
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i wonder which sportsbook is that ref under contract for. i also think the next game the U.S. plays is a lock.
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the ref looks like a fukken dp.Comment -
A good ref is someone who seems invisible to the crowd & who no one talks about.
A bad ref is someone who we talk about after a game.
Fact: This ref was a bad ref.Comment -
There was no disallowed goal. Play is dead when the whistle sounds. The ref was unlucky that the ball went in after that, because so many people don't seem to understand this basic fact. Refs make mistakes throughout a game, just like players. But even if it was a bad decision, which is not in dispute, there still was no disallowed goal. The goal never happened.
If this was a disallowed goal, then van Persie had another earlier on against Denmark when he didn't hear the whistle. Unless you believe it makes a difference if one second passes after the whistle or three seconds.
Play stops when the whistle sounds.
On a sidenote. If FIFA should take anything out of this game it is to warn all the refs that the US is flopping all around the penalty box to get to their set plays. I have never actually seen a coach celebrate the fact that a free kick was given until this game, after 'Manu' Altidore did a horrible impersonation of a flop. Yes, the ref was bad. He should have never given that free kick.
What's wrong with this US team anyway? Dempsey who wants to set the tone early with an elbow in the face, Altidore flopping all night, and last but not least Donavan who's always asking for cards for opponents... And those are the leaders on the team? Terrible. A total lack of sportsmanship that deserves a ref like this. Start playing soccer, or do everyone a favor and go home.Comment
atleast there is one educated person around here
