Religious Questions for any Religious people. Thank You.

[QuantumLeap]

My advice to you nobs would be to start your own journey to learn more about religion/spirituality. One thing I would suggest you keep in mind is that both religion and science are filled with may biases and politics. Both are used as means of controlling people so those in control will lie to get you to believe their story so they can control you.

Read several different accounts of religion/spirituality and make up your own mind out of what you read. The opinions of other people don't matter. It's only your opinion that matters.

All roads lead to the great Path for those who are willing to make the journey.

[Salmon Steak]

NYED,

Can you tell me some things. If there is no god and evolution is correct,

Why did Humans not evolve to another species ? Why is there not half fish/half frogs ? Why do some people speak in tongues (as it says some will in the bible ), why does half the world still worship jesus 2000 years after his death ?, why do even most non believers acknowledge "karma" ? Karma you know, doesnt just happen, that is God rewarding you for good and punishing you for bad.

People use the "humans are too complex, there must be a God" argument often. Humans are the end result of millions of years of evolution. While the odds life exist on earth are incredible the odds a God nobody can prove are infinite. Humans have only been around 200,000 years which is really not a long time since the Earth is 4.54 Billion years old. Noah's ark could not have happened because the continents were oceans apart at the time humans were around. Not to mention being able to store and feed thousands and thousands of animal species. People still believe in religion because it is part of their culture and they are told it is the truth. They believe it without any investigation.

[SprayBoy]

All I can hope is that nobs is a troll. I used to ask these questions in grade 10...if you put literally ANY effort into exploring the scientific evidence available to you, you'd see how plausible and sensible evolution is and I wouldn't believe for a second that you have done so. Enlighten yourself by reading Christopher Hitchens, or if books are a problem for you, check out his videos on youtube. Until then you'll have to resort to your fairy tales to provide you explanation.

[JohnGalt2341]

All I can hope is that nobs is a troll. I used to ask these questions in grade 10...if you put literally ANY effort into exploring the scientific evidence available to you, you'd see how plausible and sensible evolution is and I wouldn't believe for a second that you have done so. Enlighten yourself by reading Christopher Hitchens, or if books are a problem for you, check out his videos on youtube. Until then you'll have to resort to your fairy tales to provide you explanation.

Indeed. Although Christopher Hitchens can be pretty hardcore... and I like that. But he should start off with some Sam Harris video's. He's a pretty likable guy... at least I think he is. But then again I'm a Non-Believer.

[nyed1010]

All I can hope is that nobs is a troll. I used to ask these questions in grade 10...if you put literally ANY effort into exploring the scientific evidence available to you, you'd see how plausible and sensible evolution is and I wouldn't believe for a second that you have done so. Enlighten yourself by reading Christopher Hitchens, or if books are a problem for you, check out his videos on youtube. Until then you'll have to resort to your fairy tales to provide you explanation.

Unfortunatley, he is certainly not a troll. I've dealt with too many religious people to know these jesus freaks are not kidding around.

[zert]

There is good and evil in the world. Maybe evil is winning right now.

[marcoloco]

not much of a religious answer but more of a human point of view

question #1
people use to think that the earth was flat, that the sea was full of monsters and that witches should be burned at the stake. every century can look back on the previous one and see how much knowledge of life, medical, since has improved. not sure i buy into carbon dating since it comes from the same source as the big bang theory and evolution, wouldnt be surprised if dinosaurs roamed with humans a 1000 years ago. we hear storys of dragons slayer in europe, ancient chinese have statues of them so do the mayans and aztecs. the word dinosaur didnt exist till 19th century, would make sense if dragons and dinosaurs are one in the same

#2
God, if there is one. . . didnt make people to be perfect

#3
i have not read the bible but, that is probably a question no one can answer. not sure we were ever meant to know it all

[nobs]

Each descending species took tens of thousands of years to evolve.

humans are millions of years old

[nobs]

so we should have evolved 100 times ????


Millions/tens of thousands = 100

[nobs]

not much of a religious answer but more of a human point of view

question #1
people use to think that the earth was flat, that the sea was full of monsters and that witches should be burned at the stake. every century can look back on the previous one and see how much knowledge of life, medical, since has improved. not sure i buy into carbon dating since it comes from the same source as the big bang theory and evolution, wouldnt be surprised if dinosaurs roamed with humans a 1000 years ago. we hear storys of dragons slayer in europe, ancient chinese have statues of them so do the mayans and aztecs. the word dinosaur didnt exist till 19th century, would make sense if dragons and dinosaurs are one in the same

#2
God, if there is one. . . didnt make people to be perfect

#3
i have not read the bible but, that is probably a question no one can answer. not sure we were ever meant to know it all

Thank you marcoloco. Good answers. And I was thinking about that, SCIENCE used to say the world was flat and that it was a proven, unrefutable thing. In fact, the guy who dared say maybe it was round was laughed at like some kind of idiotic freak, except for the fact that he was right and science was wrong. And evolution is just one more of the millions of scientific "facts" that is wrong.

[kiln]

[uva3021]

[nyed1010]

so we should have evolved 100 times ????


Millions/tens of thousands = 100

Not sure what crusty is talking about, humans are NOT millions of years old. Through genetic analysis, it's believed homo sapiens are about 200,000 years old.

[nyed1010]

Thank you marcoloco. Good answers. And I was thinking about that, SCIENCE used to say the world was flat and that it was a proven, unrefutable thing. In fact, the guy who dared say maybe it was round was laughed at like some kind of idiotic freak, except for the fact that he was right and science was wrong. And evolution is just one more of the millions of scientific "facts" that is wrong.

Dumbest post of the year. Look at the technology and scientific information that is available to us today and look at the technology and information that was available back when they believed the Earth was flat. You fail again.It's so sad that in modern times with the wealth of evidence and information that is available to us, that people still believe in magic sky gods and think evolution is just some random made up crap by a bunch of scientists. Go look at the facts before you spout off about calling Evolution BS. You can look at the wealth of evidence from the fossil record, genetic analysis, transitional fossils, aging techniques(carbon dating, etc), geological strata, and tons of more evidence that supports evolution. Now where is the evidence that there is a sky god?

[JohnGalt2341]

If anyone is curious about "The Great Flood" it is explained here:

[QuantumLeap]

Dumbest post of the year. Look at the technology and scientific information that is available to us today and look at the technology and information that was available back when they believed the Earth was flat. You fail again.It's so sad that in modern times with the wealth of evidence and information that is available to us, that people still believe in magic sky gods and think evolution is just some random made up crap by a bunch of scientists. Go look at the facts before you spout off about calling Evolution BS. You can look at the wealth of evidence from the fossil record, genetic analysis, transitional fossils, aging techniques(carbon dating, etc), geological strata, and tons of more evidence that supports evolution. Now where is the evidence that there is a sky god?

If you want to make comparisons in technology, compare technology that was present in the dark ages and compare it to Galileo's time. Scientists in Galileo's time had made quite a few advances yet the overwhelming scientific opinion was that the earth was round.

My point is that just because we have advanced compared to an earlier time doesn't mean we are right. As I mentioned in my post oftentimes politics plays a part in what is determined to be the major scientific thought.

[uva3021]

There is changing in frequencies of alleles within a population, therefore evolution is a fact. There is variation in traits and variation in reproductive success, therefore evolution is a fact. In optimal conditions, populations will grow beyond that which is necessary to sustain their numbers, because there are checks to such scenarios (famine, fever, fighting), there is competition for resources, therefore evolution is a fact. Novel proteins are integrated by random mutations in the genome which then undergo selection pressure, therefore evolution is a fact.

Not convinced yet?

The Acarophenax is a parasitic mite where incestuous fertilization occurs within the womb of the mother. The haploid son impregnates the daughters, again inside the womb of the mother, and then the brother is eaten by the daughters who proceed to eat their mother from the inside and out. Each mother gives birth to one or few sons and many daughters? Why? Sperm is cheap, the threat of parasites and diseases is minimal because fertilization occurs within the womb and mites have short life cycles, so recessive genes are a non-factor. One haploid son can mate with hundreds and hundreds of daughters, while gene replication in females is tethered to child-bearing, not just releasing eggs. Therefore it pays to have unbalanced sex-allocation ratios in favor of females.


Therefore, evolution is fact.

[valaub04]

I used to have difficulty with this but am now a firm believer. There are at least 2 things I know to be true.

1) There is a God.
2) I'm not him.

[pronk]

Now where is the evidence that there is a sky god?

Sky god? You stupid dumb fool, how about just look around you if you looking for some evidence or ask Bob Dylan about his best pal Lucifer.

[nyed1010]

Sky god? You stupid dumb fool, how about just look around you if you looking for some evidence or ask Bob Dylan about his best pal Lucifer.

. What else are you supposed to call him? He's a supposed man in the sky that can purportedly do magical things like listen to the private thoughts of every human being on Earth. There is zero evidence of this supposed magical entity you refer to as "God". Go get an education and maybe you will stop believing in man-made fiction. You believe in a guy that has never been proven to exist and depending on which religion you practice, is a man that designed the entire universe along with the infinite number of species in a weeks time. Along with all the other BS religions spews which it would take me days to write all of it down, and you have the nerve to call me stupid. . Your the one that believes in something that very likely doesn't exist.

[pronk]

. What else are you supposed to call him? He's a supposed man in the sky that can purportedly do magical things like listen to the private thoughts of every human being on Earth. There is zero evidence of this supposed magical entity you refer to as "God". Go get an education and maybe you will stop believing in man-made fiction. You believe in a guy that has never been proven to exist and depending on which religion you practice, is a man that designed the entire universe along with the infinite number of species in a weeks time. Along with all the other BS religions spews which it would take me days to write all of it down, and you have the nerve to call me stupid. . Your the one that believes in something that very likely doesn't exist.

Hey genius, perhaps you will enlighten us with your devine wisdom by explaing the origins of water on our planet?

[bozeman]

I just have some religious questions that I was wondering if any of the Christians on the board can answer.

First I just want to say that I am not trying to insult anyones religion or start an argument. And personally, I know there has to be some sort of higher power because the Theory of Evolution is so obviously wrong.

But anyways I was just wondering, how do you guys answer these Bible questions for yourself.

#1. The Bible says the Earth and People were made in the same week ( Creation Week ). So do you believe this ? That would mean that dinasours either never existed or lived along with people. Science says that Dinasours were here millions of years before the first person, which would mean the Earth was here millions of years before the first person. Is the Bible wrong on this issue, or is there an explanation that I am missing ?

#2. If God thinks that Sex/Lust is so wrong, then why did he make people so sexual ? I mean, its like someone else said on this board, "Everyone likes to get off". I am just saying, if I try to be a Christian and live by Gods way, I know I will always fail when it comes to sexual desire. I am not married so that leaves me 3 choices here. Have unmarried sex, masturbate, or walk around with a high sperm count which means just about every woman I see in public I am thinking about hitting that ass.

I know sex serves the purpose of reproduction, but it seems to me that almost all people are totally oversexed and then the church says its wrong.

#3. The story goes that the devil was in heaven then he turned bad and got cast out with 1/3 of the angels who are now at war with god ( good vs. Evil ). But the Bible also says when you get into heaven you will spend eternity with god. So these seems to be at odds with each other. So if you get into Heaven, that means you can be kicked out if you return to your evil nature ?

These are just 3 questions I wonder about but I dont want to go too long. And trust me Im not trying to make some christians mad or start a fight. I will say it now, even though i do have questions I would much quicker believe the Bilble/God than Evolution/Darwin.

So are there any rational answers to these questions that i am just missing.

TIA.

#1 I truly believe so although many people say in may be periods, but not days - we don't have any proof in the Bible that provides grounds for the last statement. I know that science truly is based on theories - like this dating back millions of years thing - it is based on a theory that the earth has formed different layers of soil throughout millions of years while it has been chilling, and they date back those bones depending on in what soil have they found it. But if you completely regret that idea and admit that God has created Earth - than you got no worries about millions of years - cause it is really about 6000 years old as calculated according to the lifespan of Adam and all of his kids, grandkids and stuff. Dinosaurs existed, but not millions of years ago, but in the times before Earth was flooded. Biblical scientists prove that Earth was surrounded by ice - Genesis 1:7 - And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. You may research for Dr. Howind's creation lectures - he depicts that in his sessions. And so that ice created doubled or tripled air pressure plants and people were taller, so Adam and animals (dinasaurs) were bigger cause of that. Some studies have been done- that living creatures grow ways bigger and faster when atmmosphere pressure is higher significantly. When all ice melted rain occured the Earth was flooded. And people aren't that tall anymore. That's just a scientific theory, based on Bible.

#2 About Sex. It was not good for the man to be alone. So God created Eve. As we can derive from the Bible - sex isn't evil, a man shouldn't avoid his wife - and the normal way of satisfying your sexual desire is to have a wife. Marital sex is welcome, no way it is evil. Unlike sex without marriage or mastubating is evil. (1st Timothy 4:3 says that marriages are normal and people shall not be deprived of their rights to get married). 1Corinthians 7:9 says that if you can't control your sexual desire - the solution for ya is to get married.

#3. I have found no reason so far not to trust Bible - even though some people try to apply scientific proof to stretch the meanings of its words. I find it being sharply truthful about everything - if anybody wants to question that - i am ready to share my thoughts. If God said - we'll stay there with'im forever - we will.
God bless you nobs in your life and Jac1:5 is a good verse to crown all this topic. pray also - and you'll understand more.

[mrtomk]

One thing to be said for science is that it is its own harshest critic, and is always challenging and investigating its own findings to the most minute degree. Compared to religion, which makes vast assumptions based on limited evidence and condemns any one who thinks otherwise.

Yes, scientific theories have often been dis-proven over time, but by new scientific theories. The science of 2,000 yrs ago has moved on; evolved. It isn't just vague stories that can be implied in whatever way best suits its ends.

Science attempts to explain how. If the religious community took the same systematic approach to its own beliefs as the scientific community, I would be a lot more open to what they had to say.

[mrtomk]

Or could it be that Christianity is just a white lie gone wildly wrong.

Mary committed adultery. She found out she was preggers, so she made up a story to Joseph about God doing the impregnating. Otherwise, she would be shunned, maybe even killed, along with the baby. Some how, Joseph believed it (?!). They raised the kid letting him believe the same lie and in the end, he got beaten and crucified for it. Mary wept because she realised what damage her lie had caused, not only to her son, but to the rest of humanity who would wage countless wars on the back of her white lie to Joseph.

I have no proof that this happened. But then I'm not familiar with any proof that God spoke to Mary, so is there a difference in their legitimacy?

In the words of Homer Simpson, as Joseph: "Aaaww, a pregnant virgin, every man's worst nightmare!"

[kiln]

Flying Spaghetti Monster for me.

[N.O.S.]

Flying Spaghetti Monster for me.

You are very "bright and special" person kiln

[JohnGalt2341]

Or could it be that Christianity is just a white lie gone wildly wrong. Mary committed adultery. She found out she was preggers, so she made up a story to Joseph about God doing the impregnating. Otherwise, she would be shunned, maybe even killed, along with the baby. Some how, Joseph believed it (?!). They raised the kid letting him believe the same lie and in the end, he got beaten and crucified for it. Mary wept because she realised what damage her lie had caused, not only to her son, but to the rest of humanity who would wage countless wars on the back of her white lie to Joseph. I have no proof that this happened. But then I'm not familiar with any proof that God spoke to Mary, so is there a difference in their legitimacy? In the words of Homer Simpson, as Joseph: "Aaaww, a pregnant virgin, even man's worst nightmare!"

I have some video footage to support your claim.

[nobs]

Or could it be that Christianity is just a white lie gone wildly wrong.

Mary committed adultery. She found out she was preggers, so she made up a story to Joseph about God doing the impregnating. Otherwise, she would be shunned, maybe even killed, along with the baby. Some how, Joseph believed it (?!). They raised the kid letting him believe the same lie and in the end, he got beaten and crucified for it. Mary wept because she realised what damage her lie had caused, not only to her son, but to the rest of humanity who would wage countless wars on the back of her white lie to Joseph.

Abd the baby just happened to perform many miracles like healing the diseased ( witnessed by numerous people ). he just happened to be able to walk on water, heal lepers, heal the paralzed, blind people, deaf people, mute people, And he just happened to be such a great man that he had thousands of followers and disciples, and 2000 years after his death somehow over half the world still worships him and believes in him. fads die out. If it werent true, he would have been fogotten about long ago.

And yeah I am sure, if there was no religion, Hitler would have been a great guy. No way he would have still tried to overrun the world, it was all about religion, its not like he was power hungry and wanted to rule the world. And I am sure saddam would have never invaded Kuwait. If there was no religion, Saddam would have been a perfect little angel. He wasnt after control of the worlds supply of oil you know. And I am sure if there was no religion, Bin Laden and al queda would love the U.S. and world have had no issue with our wars in the middle east, wars which would have happened anyway since whoever controls the worlds oil pretty much controls things. And I am also sure we wouldnt be in Libya and Afganistan either. If not for religion everyone would be sitting around singing kumbaya and drinking tea.

I know you are also talking about earlier wars, but most every war if not every war would have been fought anyway. Its just silly to blame every war on religion simply because you refuse to acknowledge that there is a greater power.

[nobs]

Dumbest post of the year. Look at the technology and scientific information that is available to us today and look at the technology and information that was available back when they believed the Earth was flat. You fail again.It's so sad that in modern times with the wealth of evidence and information that is available to us, that people still believe in magic sky gods and think evolution is just some random made up crap by a bunch of scientists. Go look at the facts before you spout off about calling Evolution BS. You can look at the wealth of evidence from the fossil record, genetic analysis, transitional fossils, aging techniques(carbon dating, etc), geological strata, and tons of more evidence that supports evolution. Now where is the evidence that there is a sky god?

HMMM. So science was wrong about the world being flat and laughed at the guy who first said it was round ( HOW DID HE KNOW ??????? ). But lets forget about all that, after all there wasnt enough tech and info ( HOW DID HE KNOW ???????). so if 100 years from now, there is new tech and info to make it clear that evolution didnt exactly happen like you think then thats to just be forgotten about.

[nobs]

No proof of god

#1. speaking in tongues is practiced by an estimated 100 million Christians in the world today and the number engaging in this practice is growing at a massive rate every year. That is approximately 20% of all Christians.

#2. Nearly everyone acknowledges Karma. Even most non religious people speak of Karma. What is Karma ??? Is it the fish that crawled out of the ocean and became you who brings Karma about ?

#3. What of faith healers like Benny Hinn ? Are they all frauds ?

#4. How did the first organism come about. You know, the one that eventually became you. How did the first one come about ?? And exactly how was is so lucky that this first organism had reproductive organs, a brain, the ability to avoid danger, to eat, to swim, etc. There is clear design in nature. Things diodnt just happen, evolution or not

[nobs]

living cell is so awesomely complex that its interdependent components stagger the imagination and defy evolutionary explanations. A minimal cell contains over 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations.<SUP>16</SUP> The chance of this assemblage occurring by chance is 1 in 10 <SUP>4,478,296 </SUP>.<SUP>17</SUP>
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<SUP>16</SUP>Denton, Michael, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (Bethesda, Maryland: Adler & Adler, 1986) p. 263
<SUP>17</SUP> Mastropaolo, Joseph, "Evolution Is Biologically Impossible," Impact # 317 (El Cajon, CA: Institute For Creation Research,1999) p. 4

[Robber]

ok we get it you dont believe

congrats

[pronk]

living cell is so awesomely complex that its interdependent components stagger the imagination and defy evolutionary explanations. A minimal cell contains over 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations.<SUP>16</SUP> The chance of this assemblage occurring by chance is 1 in 10 <SUP>4,478,296 </SUP>.<SUP>17</SUP>
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<SUP>16</SUP>Denton, Michael, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (Bethesda, Maryland: Adler & Adler, 1986) p. 263
<SUP>17</SUP> Mastropaolo, Joseph, "Evolution Is Biologically Impossible," Impact # 317 (El Cajon, CA: Institute For Creation Research,1999) p. 4

[uva3021]

living cell is so awesomely complex that its interdependent components stagger the imagination and defy evolutionary explanations. A minimal cell contains over 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations.¹⁶ The chance of this assemblage occurring by chance is 1 in 10 ^4,478,296.¹⁷



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¹⁶Denton, Michael, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (Bethesda, Maryland: Adler & Adler, 1986) p. 263
¹⁷ Mastropaolo, Joseph, "Evolution Is Biologically Impossible," Impact # 317 (El Cajon, CA: Institute For Creation Research,1999) p. 4

This is a lie, humans have 6 billion nucleotides that code for some 20,000 proteins (wtf 60,000?). THere may be 60,000 possible proteins, but there aren't 60,000 proteins in a single body, or any cell, and its certainly not minimal. And the cell didn't just "pop up", it took 1 billion years of chemical selection for the cell to finally arise. The absurdity of the argument is apropos to the ridiculous 747 airplane argument. Of course a human being can't be created from a random assortment of chemicals, but given 4.5 billion years, and a gradual accretion of mechanisms that reproduce differentially, a bipedal primate with an ill-engineered laryngeal nerve will be the result.

Your bastion has since changed his views, obviously.

"Denton's views have changed over the years. He was influenced by Lawrence J. Henderson, Paul Davies and John Barrow who argued for an Anthropic Principle in the cosmos. Thus his second book Nature's Destiny (1998)<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"></sup> is his biological contribution on the Anthropic Principle debate which is dominated by physicists. He argues for a law-like evolutionary unfolding of life."

DNA and RNA can all be synthesized by natural means, as can amino acids. Let chemicals bind for a billion years in about a thousand trillion different combinations, and life may emerge, it only has to happen once, regardless of the probability. The folding of amino acids into proteins is a "forced move", or a chemical necessity. Why this is so? Well we don't know but the question is ridiculous. Its like asking why is space curved, or why is matter dense. Its a universal obligate that is just part of life. Out of the possible cohort of ways things can be (curvature of space time, light producing matter, tertiary stages of proteins), there may be only one way in which things things can actually exist. Sort of like the double-helix structure of DNA or the homologies of embryos (we have vestigial tails and gills, ala a frog or a giraffe.)

Complexity from there arises on top of complexity, that is a product of natural selection. In early stages of molecular evolution, those molecules that are prevalent are the ones that make more copies of themselves. Those that aren't have to wait around for the right mutation to occur in order to profit from the selection pressure that is often frequency dependent (think of a primitive virus).

To give you an idea, we can actually see the fusion of chromosome 2 that happened roughly 5 million years ago during the period when our early primate-like ancestors diverged (Chimps, our closest cousins, have 48 chromosomes, we have 46). Under a microscope it seriously looks like a magic marker.

[LarrysKid]