Religious Questions for any Religious people. Thank You.

**King Mayan** · 04-12-11, 05:15 PM

May god bless you...

**nobs** · 04-12-11, 05:32 PM

thank you

you too

**SportsMushroom** · 04-12-11, 05:46 PM

you have to remember that the bible was written by people and people are flawed, also you have to remember that many of the scenarios in the bible are symbolic, but people tend to take the literal meaning from it which wouldnt make sense

for example, when it says that god created the earth in 7 days, it doesnt literally mean 7 days, it refers to the 7 stages of creation, so it doesnt really say in the bible that the earth and people were created in the same week, its just that people perceive it that way

about the sex part, life on earth is supposed to be a test for our love of god, we are meant to suffer on earth, but if we manage to remain faithful through the suffering, we are rewarded with eternal life in heaven, so lust is mearly a test of our faith, it is a suffering we must endure to prove our love and faith in god

as for the third part, lucifer didnt just go bad, he revolted against god and tried to take over heaven. lucifer was created by god in heaven, so he didnt really earn his entry into heaven and he could be kicked out by his creator. as a human being, if you earn your entry into heaven we can assume that you were good enough that there will be no scenario in the future were you will need to be thrown out. we can also assume that as a human, not an archangel (which lucifer was) you do not have the power to raise an army of angels and try to dethrown god. But if it came down to it, you could be thrown out, being promised eternal life in heaven does not mean you cant be asked to leave. for example, a price of admission into a club is 5$ for all eternity, if you pay the 5 and go in and start causing shit, does that mean that you cannot be kicked out? you definately will be

ofcoarse these are all personal opinions so if there is a religion buff in here maybe you can get a better answer

**ngates815** · 04-12-11, 05:47 PM

It would seem like you're trying to start an argument.

1. What do the Christian scientists think about how the earth/dinosaurs and how they came to be?

**crustyme** · 04-12-11, 05:53 PM

humans are millions of years old..... religion is only thousands years old.....

if there really was a god, wouldn't people be born with his knowledge, not be taught in classrooms like math & science?

religion = biggest joke ever pulled on humans

**chilidog** · 04-12-11, 05:53 PM

I did the research once on the 7 'days' of creation, and there's just no logic to their timeframe. Some of the 'days' took 1.5 million years to complete, and some of them are out of order (based upon what science has proven to have occurred first, and what the christian bible says happened first)

**onetrickpony** · 04-12-11, 06:04 PM

lets keep it short next time, most like me are not scholarly

thanks chief

**nyed1010** · 04-12-11, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by nobs

I just have some religious questions that I was wondering if any of the Christians on the board can answer.

First I just want to say that I am not trying to insult anyones religion or start an argument. And personally, I know there has to be some sort of higher power because the Theory of Evolution is so obviously wrong.

But anyways I was just wondering, how do you guys answer these Bible questions for yourself.

#1. The Bible says the Earth and People were made in the same week ( Creation Week ). So do you believe this ? That would mean that dinasours either never existed or lived along with people. Science says that Dinasours were here millions of years before the first person, which would mean the Earth was here millions of years before the first person. Is the Bible wrong on this issue, or is there an explanation that I am missing ?

#2. If God thinks that Sex/Lust is so wrong, then why did he make people so sexual ? I mean, its like someone else said on this board, "Everyone likes to get off". I am just saying, if I try to be a Christian and live by Gods way, I know I will always fail when it comes to sexual desire. I am not married so that leaves me 3 choices here. Have unmarried sex, masturbate, or walk around with a high sperm count which means just about every woman I see in public I am thinking about hitting that ass.

I know sex serves the purpose of reproduction, but it seems to me that almost all people are totally oversexed and then the church says its wrong.

#3. The story goes that the devil was in heaven then he turned bad and got cast out with 1/3 of the angels who are now at war with god ( good vs. Evil ). But the Bible also says when you get into heaven you will spend eternity with god. So these seems to be at odds with each other. So if you get into Heaven, that means you can be kicked out if you return to your evil nature ?

These are just 3 questions I wonder about but I dont want to go too long. And trust me Im not trying to make some christians mad or start a fight. I will say it now, even though i do have questions I would much quicker believe the Bilble/God than Evolution/Darwin.

So are there any rational answers to these questions that i am just missing.

TIA.

Only people that have zero knowledge of basic concepts of the theory of evolution by natural selection or any thing pertaining to biology would make such a statement. You probably think we descend directly from the gorillas at the local zoo.........

**nyed1010** · 04-12-11, 06:16 PM

Forget all the stories in the bible where Christians will just claim them to not to be literal and and are just allegorical teaching tools of Christ's word. Let's point out 2 significant and central key story lines in Christianity. First we got the virgin birth of Christ. Nobody can claim this is some allegorical story. That is a key component of the whole Jesus story. I can give you various biological reasons why that is impossible. Then we have the resurrection. Another key part of the Jesus story. If you believe in resurrections, then you must believe in zombies. Dawn of the Dead - based on a true story according to some Christians. Another thing I never understood was the whole "I'm going to sacrifice my son to eliminate all sin". Like, wtf, you do know you are GOD right. You can do whatever the f*uck you want. You could snap your fingers and get rid of sin in an instant, instead you brutally torture and kill your own son in one of the most gruesome ways in the history of man in some remote area in the Middle East in front of a bunch of illiterate human beings.

**nobs** · 04-12-11, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by SportsMushroom

you have to remember that the bible was written by people and people are flawed, also you have to remember that many of the scenarios in the bible are symbolic, but people tend to take the literal meaning from it which wouldnt make sense

for example, when it says that god created the earth in 7 days, it doesnt literally mean 7 days, it refers to the 7 stages of creation, so it doesnt really say in the bible that the earth and people were created in the same week, its just that people perceive it that way

about the sex part, life on earth is supposed to be a test for our love of god, we are meant to suffer on earth, but if we manage to remain faithful through the suffering, we are rewarded with eternal life in heaven, so lust is mearly a test of our faith, it is a suffering we must endure to prove our love and faith in god

as for the third part, lucifer didnt just go bad, he revolted against god and tried to take over heaven. lucifer was created by god in heaven, so he didnt really earn his entry into heaven and he could be kicked out by his creator. as a human being, if you earn your entry into heaven we can assume that you were good enough that there will be no scenario in the future were you will need to be thrown out. we can also assume that as a human, not an archangel (which lucifer was) you do not have the power to raise an army of angels and try to dethrown god. But if it came down to it, you could be thrown out, being promised eternal life in heaven does not mean you cant be asked to leave. for example, a price of admission into a club is 5$ for all eternity, if you pay the 5 and go in and start causing shit, does that mean that you cannot be kicked out? you definately will be

ofcoarse these are all personal opinions so if there is a religion buff in here maybe you can get a better answer

Thank you. A lot of good answers there

**BIGDAY** · 04-12-11, 06:29 PM

There are some good books out there. If interested, "The Shack" was very eye opening to me. It is a popular book and should be found at most all book stores. It is mostly based on why bad things happen to good people. It'll make you think...
Religion to me is to have my own personal relationship with God. I always say that the Lord does have a sense of humor and I truely believe that. Religion could and should be different to everyone.

Good example for question #2 and the ten comandments for that matter. Let's say you have two children, you love them the same wouldn't you? Now there are times when one may disapoint you or embarass you, but you still love that child deep down just as much as your others. This is how deep I believe God's love is to all of us. God may have made these commandments knowing that we would not be able to obey them all, yet knowing that they might bring us closer to him. Does that make sense? I truely believe that he wants us to ask for forgivness.

Sorry if I got too into it...

**nobs** · 04-12-11, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by ngates815

It would seem like you're trying to start an argument.

1. What do the Christian scientists think about how the earth/dinosaurs and how they came to be?

Come on gates. i am not trying to start an argument. Why do you always try to ride me ? I said that I would believe the bible before this evolution hogwash.

I just dont have all the answers. Do you ?

**nobs** · 04-12-11, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by chilidog

I did the research once on the 7 'days' of creation, and there's just no logic to their timeframe. Some of the 'days' took 1.5 million years to complete, and some of them are out of order (based upon what science has proven to have occurred first, and what the christian bible says happened first)

has science actually "Proven" anything ? Or is just a bunch of scientific theories which can be, and so often are proven wrong.

**nobs** · 04-12-11, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by nyed1010

Only people that have zero knowledge of basic concepts of the theory of evolution by natural selection or any thing pertaining to biology would make such a statement. You probably think we descend directly from the gorillas at the local zoo.........

No I dont think we descended from any other species.

**nobs** · 04-12-11, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by nyed1010

Forget all the stories in the bible where Christians will just claim them to not to be literal and and are just allegorical teaching tools of Christ's word. Let's point out 2 significant and central key story lines in Christianity. First we got the virgin birth of Christ. Nobody can claim this is some allegorical story. That is a key component of the whole Jesus story. I can give you various biological reasons why that is impossible. Then we have the resurrection. Another key part of the Jesus story. If you believe in resurrections, then you must believe in zombies. Dawn of the Dead - based on a true story according to some Christians. Another thing I never understood was the whole "I'm going to sacrifice my son to eliminate all sin". Like, wtf, you do know you are GOD right. You can do whatever the f*uck you want. You could snap your fingers and get rid of sin in an instant, instead you brutally torture and kill your own son in one of the most gruesome ways in the history of man in some remote area in the Middle East in front of a bunch of illiterate human beings.

Yeah he is God so he could snap his finger and do anything he wants. That is why you can give biological reasons why it is "impossible" for "god" to make virgin with child. At least you are consistent.

I was hoping some believers could shed some light on some thinkgs I dont understand about the bible, I should have known the non believers would pour in acting like they know 100% for sure that there is no god, when in fact they dont.

**SportsMushroom** · 04-12-11, 06:38 PM

we are just discussing here

no need to turn this into a rally

**nobs** · 04-12-11, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by BIGDAY

There are some good books out there. If interested, "The Shack" was very eye opening to me. It is a popular book and should be found at most all book stores. It is mostly based on why bad things happen to good people. It'll make you think...
Religion to me is to have my own personal relationship with God. I always say that the Lord does have a sense of humor and I truely believe that. Religion could and should be different to everyone.

Good example for question #2 and the ten comandments for that matter. Let's say you have two children, you love them the same wouldn't you? Now there are times when one may disapoint you or embarass you, but you still love that child deep down just as much as your others. This is how deep I believe God's love is to all of us. God may have made these commandments knowing that we would not be able to obey them all, yet knowing that they might bring us closer to him. Does that make sense? I truely believe that he wants us to ask for forgivness.

Sorry if I got too into it...

Thank you. I know it says that God knows people will always fall short because human nature is sinful.

**nobs** · 04-12-11, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by SportsMushroom

we are just discussing here

no need to turn this into a rally

true. I just get very passionate sometimes

**SportsMushroom** · 04-12-11, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by nobs

Yeah he is God so he could snap his finger and do anything he wants. That is why you can give biological reasons why it is "impossible" for "god" to make virgin with child. At least you are consistent.

good catch

also, the point about god being able to stop people from being bad, that is not valid

it is stated in the bible that god gave man free will, so god will not interfere with what choices a man makes through his own free will

**SportsMushroom** · 04-12-11, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by nobs

true. I just get very passionate sometimes

not talking about you, talking about the other duches that feel the need to discredit religion every time there is a discussion about it

**nobs** · 04-12-11, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by nyed1010

Forget all the stories in the bible where Christians will just claim them to not to be literal and and are just allegorical teaching tools of Christ's word.

NYED,

Can you tell me some things. If there is no god and evolution is correct,

Why did Humans not evolve to another species ? Why is there not half fish/half frogs ? Why do some people speak in tongues (as it says some will in the bible ), why does half the world still worship jesus 2000 years after his death ?, why do even most non believers acknowledge "karma" ? Karma you know, doesnt just happen, that is God rewarding you for good and punishing you for bad.

**Dirty Sanchez** · 04-12-11, 06:46 PM

Religious questions don't belong in a gambling forum

**BIGDAY** · 04-12-11, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by SportsMushroom

good catch

also, the point about god being able to stop people from being bad, that is not valid

it is stated in the bible that god gave man free will, so god will not interfere with what choices a man makes through his own free will

Correct. Has anyone read "The Shack"? By William P Young

**SportsMushroom** · 04-12-11, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by BIGDAY

Correct. Has anyone read "The Shack"? By William P Young

i hadnt heard of it until you mentioned it, is it interesting?

**BIGDAY** · 04-12-11, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by SportsMushroom

i hadnt heard of it until you mentioned it, is it interesting?

I actually just finished it about a week ago. 100% reccomend it. I got it on audio book also. It's about an 9 hour audio book. Highly recommed. Great read.

**wtf** · 04-12-11, 07:32 PM

lol at the little brit scientist with his QUANTAM leaps, ok humans split off here
and the monkeys split off there

like , great grandpa john had sex with great grandma kathy, so simple, I mean I do have a chart right?

**RudyRuetigger** · 04-12-11, 07:39 PM

nobs,

evolution is a scientific fact.

thanks

**nyed1010** · 04-12-11, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by nobs

Yeah he is God so he could snap his finger and do anything he wants. That is why you can give biological reasons why it is "impossible" for "god" to make virgin with child. At least you are consistent.

I was hoping some believers could shed some light on some thinkgs I dont understand about the bible, I should have known the non believers would pour in acting like they know 100% for sure that there is no god, when in fact they dont.

. I don't believe God exists, let alone believe he can do things by the snap of his fingers. I only stated that to point out the ridiculousness and irrelevancy of the entire "sacrificing son" story of Christianity.

**nyed1010** · 04-12-11, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by nobs

NYED,

Can you tell me some things. If there is no god and evolution is correct,

Why did Humans not evolve to another species ? Why is there not half fish/half frogs ? Why do some people speak in tongues (as it says some will in the bible ), why does half the world still worship jesus 2000 years after his death ?, why do even most non believers acknowledge "karma" ? Karma you know, doesnt just happen, that is God rewarding you for good and punishing you for bad.

Humans didn't evolve to another species because us humans have tremendous ability to adapt. Secondly, you are assuming we will never evolve to another species. What people don't understand about evolution is the time scale it takes for it to occur. Go take a look at the hominid lineage. Each descending species took tens of thousands of years to evolve. Who knows if a few hundred thousands of years down the road that the homo sapien species doesn't evolve to another species that is better suited to live in whichever environment that is present down the road. Half the world still worships Jesus because the belief in Jesus has descended down from a time when people didn't know why the sun came up during the day and the moon came out at night. Unprovable and mythical cultural memes tend to stay alive for that very reason.

**nyed1010** · 04-12-11, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by nobs

NYED,

Can you tell me some things. If there is no god and evolution is correct,

Why did Humans not evolve to another species ? Why is there not half fish/half frogs ? Why do some people speak in tongues (as it says some will in the bible ), why does half the world still worship jesus 2000 years after his death ?, why do even most non believers acknowledge "karma" ? Karma you know, doesnt just happen, that is God rewarding you for good and punishing you for bad.

Transitional fossil - Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

It'll take me too long to explain to you why that question is completely inane, but just for giggles, does the Ambystoma mexicanum count?

**8ArIvd5** · 04-12-11, 08:20 PM

are you looking for truth or an explanation?

oh and i believe the appendix is an example of human evolution. correct me if i'm wrong.

**JohnGalt2341** · 04-12-11, 08:41 PM

This video should answer some questions for you:

**Salmon Steak** · 04-12-11, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by crustyme

humans are millions of years old..... religion is only thousands years old.....

if there really was a god, wouldn't people be born with his knowledge, not be taught in classrooms like math & science?

religion = biggest joke ever pulled on humans

"Humans" similar to the modern form were first in Africa about 200,000 years ago.

The first known "religion" is a primative Australian aboriginal belief estimated to be about 60,000 years ago.

**JohnGalt2341** · 04-12-11, 08:45 PM

Watch this video a few times and MAYBE you'll have all the answers that you need: