Doesn't it come down to an energized left?

[The Kraken]

That's what's funny Fats, these idiots actually think the Democrats are not bought and sold already. The truth is, Trump is not taking money because he doesn't want to be beholden to anyone. That's why Democrat contributions are over 3:1 for Biden et al

Trump is for hospital transparency in Pricing (coming Jan 1). Trump is for reasonable drug prices and against gouging, he has been for years, and even since 2016. These people don't even listen to his platform because they are emotional wrecks who just hate others for being normal and successful. He was anti-TPP, he was pro middle class, he was for middle America, he was and is pro-American and anti-China abuse of our congressmen and politicians, the foremost of whom is ... yes, you guessed it, Joe Biden.

The only solace I take in not being able to reason with these assholes is that Trump is going to win and just like people who go to hell, they create their own hell and live in it. What can we do? They hate God our Father anyway, that's why they act the way they do, conniving, lying, coveting, stealing, etc.

Just because he’s not taking money doesnt mean he’s not grossly incompetent. It also doesn’t mean hems not advancing his own personal agendas over those of the average American.

I think both points are pretty easily proven

[StackinGreen]

If they were, you'd mention them. But you don't dispute he isn't bought like other pols are, which destroys an entirely different narrative and shows his critics for what they are --- hypocrites and duplicitous.

[The Kraken]

You’re missing the point... and I dont care to go in circles debating you about Trumps incompetencies, i have better things to do tonight

The man in office knows absolutely nothing of what its like to be a lower/middle class American Which is 99% of us. He does not represent white collar workers. He was born a 1%’er with a silver spoon in his mouth and he never took it out. He’s a spoiled brat that has never broken a sweat in his life, and that money you brag about him having was borrowed and defaulted on many times.

[StackinGreen]

While some part of what you say may be technically true, it doesn't mean he doesn't have policies that help all Americans. Who would you claim represents any class? Biden whose 47 years in Congress enriched his family, latest selling of his position for his son's benefit being the worst of all (traitor)? Obama, who now travels the world and makes millions doing speeches? He's not even part of a community, he was a fraud community organizer to begin with (he's not from Chicago, he's a confused Hawaiian). What does he know? Zero. He never did a productive thing in his entire life, talk about being gifted things. Then when he was president "rich people" got richer than they ever have under his admin.

Bush? Another family legacy.

You see, you have to go back to Harry Truman or JFK, maybe Nixon, if you even want to try to make your point. That's why you have no point. None of these guys are "like us" it's a silly thing to even desire. Eisenhower was a great president, but America was great, and normal then. He was a WWII general. I'm glad I wasn't like him, in a sense. But I'm happy he was president.