Active Shooter -- Broward County, FLorida

[JIBBBY]

Of course it's true. He lobbied to repeal any and all gun laws as the NRA lined his pockets.

Horrible!!!

[The Kraken]

Be careful Jibby

I believe you can pay for your own healthcare and as noble as that is, it’s naive to believe you don’t need insurance

Its not just about being able to pay the medical bills, but it’s about being able to pay the rest of your bills for the rest of your life afterwards

I’ve seen some insane shit my man, 20k is a drop in the bucket. I paid 25k out of pocket for a surgery in Denmark 10 years ago.

That’s chump change. You worked hard for your money, don’t give it away.

[The Kraken]

it' s not as bad as u make it sound only 8 shootings resulting in injuries or death

In all, guns have been fired on school property in the US at least 18 times so far this year, according to incidents tracked by Everytown for Gun Safety, a gun control group. In eight of these cases, a gun was fired on school property, but no one was injured. Another two incidents were gun suicides, claiming the lives of one student and one adult on school property.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/14/school-shootings-in-america-2018-how-many-so-far

18 times this year and we’re not even half way through the second month

It’s every bit as bad as it sounds

[JIBBBY]

I would guess no one on SBR owns more ar15 platform based rifles than I but this is getting ridiculous. I am disgusted that mental health continues to be used as a scapegoat here. Ya, no shit mental health is an issue that should be addressed but no one even knows where to start on identifying or addressing these needs.

We do know where to start with gun control legislation

You Republicans want to walk off with the 2018 elections and WH in 2020, then fukking pass your version of gun control legislation and ban ar15 platform rifles. Steal that thunder from the left. I would fukking love it.
Control and own the narrative, ban the fukking rifles and nothing else. Make huge efforts to get the guns off the street.

2018 and 2020 gift wrapped

I'm with the Democrats on this.. Ban the Assault riffles.. I was saying that when Obama was President..

I still love what Trump is doing for this Country and the direction it's now going.. MAGA!!!! However, this one area though I can't swayed by my party or Trump.. Ban assault riffles period!!!! Not hand guns though.. It's the smart and responsible thing to do...

[Mac4Lyfe]

What happens if you get cancer? Or you have a stroke? Or have a serious car accident? You can do all the right things and something bad can still happen that could basically wipe you out.

The only thing that can wipe you out is an unforeseen health issue. That's why you insure against it.

I'm not going to quibble with your right to make a decision, but your decision here is very illogical. It's one thing if it's someone who is living paycheck to paycheck and that insurance payment really does impact their quality of life. Frankly, what are they insuring against? They don't have several million to lose. You do. Seriously man, think about it. I'm a nice guy. I care about you, Jibby. Get some damn health insurance, Obamcare or not.

One significant health event can bankrupt even the most well to do. My insurance pays 100% for any life event. I've had 4 surgeries in the last 7 years (half from college football injuries that the university would never assume responsibility). 1 surgery took 20 minutes and cost $120k, another was $90k. Another was $50k and the last was $37k. These were not considered life threatening.

I have a friend who's baby was in the NICU for 6 months. Their portion of the hospital bill was $800k. He was laughing to not cry, seeing all the bills coming into the house each day. He eventually filed bankruptcy. I have another friend who's husband battled cancer for 6 years before dying. His bills were over $5 million dollars. You have to be crazy to not have health insurance. But those 80/20 plans aren't worth a damn. Good luck paying 20% of a life threatening event.

[Optional]

it' s not as bad as u make it sound only 8 shootings resulting in injuries or death

In all, guns have been fired on school property in the US at least 18 times so far this year, according to incidents tracked by Everytown for Gun Safety, a gun control group. In eight of these cases, a gun was fired on school property, but no one was injured. Another two incidents were gun suicides, claiming the lives of one student and one adult on school property.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/14/school-shootings-in-america-2018-how-many-so-far

I wasn't trying to make it sound bad, just taken aback that someone could think that the problem has been decreasing.

And not be a dikk about it as a foreigner, but do you see it as bit concerning that you have been educated to think "only 8" school shootings where people were injured or killed in the first 6 weeks of the year is somehow easier to accept than 18?

Do you recall a day when you would have thought 1 school shooting in the year was a major issue? That's still how it feels in most countries.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Horrible!!!

Congress ALL line their pockets with lobbyist money. All of them. Republicans and Democrats, they all are on the take. It's perfectly legal. You can't beat them, so they all join them. Some of the best people with good intentions get caught up in Washington bureaucracy and end up taking the bait. It's basically impossible to challenge these special interests groups.

[d2bets]

One significant health event can bankrupt even the most well to do. My insurance pays 100% for any life event. I've had 4 surgeries in the last 7 years (half from college football injuries that the university would never assume responsibility). 1 surgery took 20 minutes and cost $120k, another was $90k. Another was $50k and the last was $37k. These were not considered life threatening.

I have a friend who's baby was in the NICU for 6 months. Their portion of the hospital bill was $800k. He was laughing to not cry, seeing all the bills coming into the house each day. He eventually filed bankruptcy. I have another friend who's husband battled cancer for 6 years before dying. His bills were over $5 million dollars. You have to be crazy to not have health insurance. But those 80/20 plans aren't worth a damn. Good luck paying 20% of a life threatening event.

I can understand for people who have no net worth. You can't lose nothing. But for someone like Jibby who has several million - that's the insurance sweet spot. Meaning if he had 100 million, then I suppose he could self-fund just fine. Of course you;d still get insurance, but doesn't really matter. And for the brokedikkfukk, can't really get more brokedikkfukk. But if you have worked hard to build up a nice nest egg of several million, you gotta protect that shit.

Jibbby is flat out nuts.

[d2bets]

I can pay for any health emergency crisis out of pocket.. I'm different from you guys.. I'm single, retired, and have a nest egg. I know that's hard for some of you to fathom..

I don't like insurance of any kind period.. Like I said insurance companies are in business to make money.. I'm just not into insurance and don't need it or want it.. I'm talking about any kind of insurance in life.. I even take a bond out to self insure my automobiles... I save alot of money every year not paying insurance premiums.. I put that saved money away for an emergency if it ever happens.. I'm ready.. Is what it is....

I also give to charities of my choice.. I pay my taxes...

That's what you think. And maybe you could pay for a cancer battle. It would nearly wipe you out, but I guess you could. But why? If you have $5 million, it's your job to assess the risks to losing that wealth and then to figure out how to mitigate those risks. Health insurance is a no-brainer. So is an umbrella liability policy.

[JMobile]

So this guy was 19 years old and shoot up a high school? Guy has mental problems.

[cincinnatikid513]

I wasn't trying to make it sound bad, just taken aback that someone could think that the problem has been decreasing.

And not be a dikk about it as a foreigner, but do you see it as bit concerning that you have been educated to think "only 8" school shootings where people were injured or killed in the first 6 weeks of the year is somehow easier to accept than 18?

Do you recall a day when you would have thought 1 school shooting in the year was a major issue? That's still how it feels in most countries.

it used to be shocking to hear about a school shooting on the news but it happens so often now it's becoming a routine thing you become numb to it, sure you are angry u want something to be done but what is the answer, i think people see warning signs on these one man shooters but not enough people are stepping up and reporting them this guy had alot of signs sadly nobody did anything until too late

[JIBBBY]

That's what you think. And maybe you could pay for a cancer battle. It would nearly wipe you out, but I guess you could. But why? If you have $5 million, it's your job to assess the risks to losing that wealth and then to figure out how to mitigate those risks. Health insurance is a no-brainer. So is an umbrella liability policy.

I got this D2 don't worry.. If I had a wife and kids, if I were fat and unhealthy, bad family genes, etc... then it would be a different story for me...

To each their own.

[JIBBBY]

So this guy was 19 years old and shoot up a high school? Guy has mental problems.

No he doesn't.. Probably playing to many violent video games, gun happy, felt empowered and felt the thrill to go shoot up kids in school that he generally didn't like...

This was too planned out and knew exactly what he was doing, his friends even said he was reasonably normal but kept to himself, he was on facebook and wasn't insane then.. Just gun and bomb happy..

[JMobile]

No he doesn't.. Probably playing to many violent video games, gun happy, felt empowered and felt the thrill to go shoot up kids in school that he generally didn't like...

This was too planned out and knew exactly what he was doing, his friends even said he was reasonably normal but kept to himself, he was on facebook and wasn't insane then.. Just gun and bomb happy..

Was he bullied or teased in high school? I know he was expelled.

[JIBBBY]

Was he bullied or teased in high school? I know he was expelled.

No they said he was clown and trouble maker in school.. He probably did the bullying if I had to guess.. He wasn't a skinny dorky little kid either..

[Optional]

it used to be shocking to hear about a school shooting on the news but it happens so often now it's becoming a routine thing you become numb to it, sure you are angry u want something to be done but what is the answer, i think people see warning signs on these one man shooters but not enough people are stepping up and reporting them this guy had alot of signs sadly nobody did anything until too late

I don't know either. It's like a cultural craze now. More gun control won't fix it now, but it's an obvious start if we don't want it to just keep getting worse.

Locking down schools and having armed guards seems like treating the symptom and does not make for a great environment for kids to grow up. A state of fear and control. How will they run the world once in charge?

[maggiethebestdog]

America has a laundry list of cultural and societal problems that run deep causing the citizens to lose their collective minds
Everyone is stressed and a powder keg waiting to go off
Some people lose control or do not have to mental faculties to stop themselves
Some are just evil
These problems are too complex to solve in 10 seconds so we just ignore them
Our country is survival of the fittest, get mine attitude with no concern for the common good except feel good lip service
Guns just expose and exaggerate these problems and are the most efficient and romanticized way of showing rage against others
Other countries are far less violent societies, not just because they don't have guns, but because their cultures are not as selfish and status driven as ours

[cincinnatikid513]

I don't know either. It's like a cultural craze now. More gun control won't fix it now, but it's an obvious start if we don't want it to just keep getting worse.

Locking down schools and having armed guards seems like treating the symptom and does not make for a great environment for kids to grow up. A state of fear and control. How will they run the world once in charge?

it's sad and the problem is here in the United States. We just don't have the respect for one another here. i see australia is ranked 1st in this article with the least amount of shooting deaths per 1 million people

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts

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it's sad and the problem is here in the United States. We just don't have the respect for one another here. i see australia is ranked 1st in this article with the least amount of shooting deaths per 1 million people


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...cs-maps-charts

Australian laws do appear to be the reason there hasn't been a mass shooting in 20 years or something.

But there is a genuine problem developed here in Sydney now with bikies and criminal gangs shooting each other, and sometimes innocent people like lawyers they dont like, almost daily.

Here's todays http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/person-sho...15-h0w4qx.html


I don't think gun crime outside the criminal community on itself is particularly bad though, as unless you are or know a serious criminal, it's kind of tough to get your hands on an illegal pistol and impossible almost to get an auto rifle.

That's probably what stops our kids copy catting and shooting up schools more than anything else I'd think.

[cincinnatikid513]

Australian laws do appear to be the reason there hasn't been a mass shooting in 20 years or something.

But there is a genuine problem developed here in Sydney now with bikies and criminal gangs shooting each other, and sometimes innocent people like lawyers they dont like, almost daily.

Here's todays http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/person-sho...15-h0w4qx.html


I don't think gun crime outside the criminal community on itself is particularly bad though, as unless you are or know a serious criminal, it's kind of tough to get your hands on an illegal pistol and impossible almost to get an auto rifle.

That's probably what stops our kids copy catting and shooting up schools more than anything else I'd think.

we got too many guns and even though most people are responsible all it takes is a few bad apples to ruin it for everybody else

[GUMMO77]

No I pay out of pocket if I need medical attention, but I am completely healthy and take care of myself.. I also know as much about the human body as some of these so called doctors do.

I'm not bragging but I'm worth several million dollars because I worked hard and smart over the past 25 years.. I don't need to pay for health insurance or any insurance for that matter. Insurance companies are in business to make money and I don't want to make them money... I'd rather put those large monthly health insurance payments in my own bank account and collect interest and go to a local clinic if I need medicine or a check up, I'll pay for that out of pocket.. If I break a bone I'll pay $20,000 out of pocket to have a skilled doctor fix it...

That should be my choice.. This is a free Country last I checked...

Honestly I knew this day would come.

[slayer14]

Even Kim Kardashian wants action taken now from government.

Kim Kardashian was just one of the celebrities NOT sending thoughts and prayers to Florida on Wednesday.
The 37-year-old took to Twitter to instead demand action from the government, after yet another American gun massacre left at least 17 dead Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland.
'We owe it to our children and our teachers to keep them safe while at school,' she tweeted. 'Prayers won't do this: action will. Congress, please do your job and protect Americans from senseless gun violence.'

: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...#ixzz57AbjFAsN

[The Kraken]

No he doesn't.. Probably playing to many violent video games, gun happy, felt empowered and felt the thrill to go shoot up kids in school that he generally didn't like...

This was too planned out and knew exactly what he was doing, his friends even said he was reasonably normal but kept to himself, he was on facebook and wasn't insane then.. Just gun and bomb happy..

Agree. Guy didn’t know how to cope with his issues and had so much built up anger he felt it was his right to exact his form of justice on 17 kids in the form of execution

Some will make the argument of mental but Fukk that. You brought up the bigger point, he was sane, right now that is what matters, not if he is going to be diagnosed with some obscure form of a mental health disorder such as “inability to cope”. He made a cold-blooded and calculated decision before he chose to kill 17 people.

[The Kraken]

So this guy was 19 years old and shoot up a high school? Guy has mental problems.

Stop

He was sane. He made a decision. He chose his weapon because it’s the weapon that can inflict mass damage in the shortest amount of time

This wasnt a kid that was bipolar schizo off his meds and suffering delusions, he chose consciously chose the .223 and went to war with his high school peers because of his inability to cope

[mngambler]

Even Kim Kardashian wants action taken now from government.

Kim Kardashian was just one of the celebrities NOT sending thoughts and prayers to Florida on Wednesday.
The 37-year-old took to Twitter to instead demand action from the government, after yet another American gun massacre left at least 17 dead Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland.
'We owe it to our children and our teachers to keep them safe while at school,' she tweeted. 'Prayers won't do this: action will. Congress, please do your job and protect Americans from senseless gun violence.'

: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...#ixzz57AbjFAsN

if we needed advice on how to be a whore we'd pick up the phone, otherwise plz keep your *** dumpster shut Kim

[The Kraken]

And yet, she’s not wrong

[slambam]

Even Kim Kardashian wants action taken now from government.

Kim Kardashian was just one of the celebrities NOT sending thoughts and prayers to Florida on Wednesday.
The 37-year-old took to Twitter to instead demand action from the government, after yet another American gun massacre left at least 17 dead Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland.
'We owe it to our children and our teachers to keep them safe while at school,' she tweeted. 'Prayers won't do this: action will. Congress, please do your job and protect Americans from senseless gun violence.'

: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...#ixzz57AbjFAsN

Probably the first time I've ever agreed with that whore.

[d2bets]

It's not going to happen. Money talks and bullshit walks. The NRA owns the Republican Party.

[The Kraken]

D2, I see where you’re coming from and 100% agree the nra owns the gop, but that should disgust republican voters that in reality their elected officials are more beholden to the nra than they are to their constituency. But they send their kids to school to. I promise you it’s not just liberals losing children in the mass school shootings, this should be a bi-partisan effort

People just have to decide enough is enough on this one. And when when enough people on both sides decide that no civilian should be owning an ar15 and people are tired of sending their kids to school one day and burying them the next, change will happen.

[d2bets]

D2, I see where you’re coming from and 100% agree the nra owns the gop, but that should disgust republicans, they send their kids to school to. I promise you it’s not just liberals losing children in the mass school shootings, this should be a bi-partisan effort

People just have to decide enough is enough on this one. And when when enough people on both sides decide that no civilian should be owning an ar15 and people are tired of sending their kids to school one day and burying them the next, change will happen.

Only will happen next time the dems control senate, house and white house. Even if Republicans know this, they're still too frozen to do anything. Bad NRA rating = lose Republican job.

I will say, maybe the one way it could happen is if Trump himself flips and gets truly serious about it and demands specific actions from his party. Trump does to some extent have his own party afraid of him. He might be able to move the needle.

But he won't.

His opportunity is right now. Like today.

But he won't.

He had a chance after Vegas. And he didn't.


Trump to speak at 11am today. Will he step up and demand action?

[JIBBBY]

Agree. Guy didn’t know how to cope with his issues and had so much built up anger he felt it was his right to exact his form of justice on 17 kids in the form of execution

Some will make the argument of mental but Fukk that. You brought up the bigger point, he was sane, right now that is what matters, not if he is going to be diagnosed with some obscure form of a mental health disorder such as “inability to cope”. He made a cold-blooded and calculated decision before he chose to kill 17 people.

Exactly Kraken..

Now that movie theater shooter whom thought he was batman or some crap I could believe was insane.. He looked and played the part.. Then again I'm still not fully convinced as I think he could have been playing the crazy act up especially in court...

[d2bets]

Leadership.

[The Kraken]

Oh? Your wife has an ArmaLite?

STFU... You think the fact that ArmaLite sold to Colt changes anything in this discussion?

Let me guess, you really wanted to know if Kermits wife owned an armalite that sold out in 1959. You're being condescending

But this fact doesn't change regardless of how much bullshit you want to post, AR15's ( and yes, Im going to call all ar15 platform variants AR15's) were designed for war. Colt mass produced the AR-15 and marketed it TO THE MILITARY

This is a soldiers weapon that is killing kids and your response is to be patronizing and condescending

Go fukk yourself

[d2bets]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!</p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/964110212885106689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"> February 15, 2018</a></blockquote><script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


That's nice. People did report. Reporting is fine, but how about instead of placing it all on citizens, how about putting some responsibility on our elected officials to pass appropriate gun laws.

[Auto Donk]

I'm with the Democrats on this.. Ban the Assault riffles.. I was saying that when Obama was President..

I still love what Trump is doing for this Country and the direction it's now going.. MAGA!!!! However, this one area though I can't swayed by my party or Trump.. Ban assault riffles period!!!! Not hand guns though.. It's the smart and responsible thing to do...

assault weapons? all weapons are goddam assault weapons.....

my weapons are much deadlier than .223 caliber ar-15's....


try banning hi-capacity clips; limit all clips to 8 rounds....

but don't show your ignorance by calling for a ban of .223 caliber weapons..... those things are tiny

just because a gun "looks" military or bad ass doesn't make it any more f'n lethal.....

in other threads ive posted bullets side by side.... trust me, you'd rather get hit with a .223 bullet than a 150 gr ptd soft point bullet fired from my 7 mag or 300 magnum