If you work 9-5 you are a fukkin loser

[obamaismyuncle]

$30,000
Government provides health insurance in Canada - it's illegal for me to pay a doctor to get treatment
No pension
Rent

Wow, you really have the world by the balls.

[Flying Dutchman]

I cannot count the number of broken down gambling buddies who who got taken out by "variance" and are now living lonely, miserable lives.

By trying to take +EV out of everything, the world got them back.

Karma's a bitch, mathy.

[Sawyer]

As long as you're making a living, it doesn't matter what hours you work.

[TheLock]

$30,000
Government provides health insurance in Canada - it's illegal for me to pay a doctor to get treatment
No pension
Rent

Well 30K doesn't cut it for me. I need to be in the 80-90K range to do the things I like to do and have the things I like to have.

That is why I'm a fukkin loser that works a 9-5 (actually I work 4 days a week 11:00 AM-9:30 PM.

[eberetta1]

Stay single son. You don't make enough to raise a family. After working considerably less than 100,000 hrs for the man working at a 9-5, I put away enough money that I am done working before age 45 to live the life I like minus the health care.. This is my 6th year of retirement. All I can suggest and I practice what I preach. Put away 10% of any money you make from working and do not touch it for 20 years. Then it is there for you when the boss lays you off.

P.S. 90 percent of small businesses fail, just like gambling, they promise riches that fail to materialize for over 90 percent of the people. You gotta carve out your own trail that works right for you...

And Sawyer, if I had as much money as you, I would toss the broken video camera and buy me a new one. But who am I to talk. I haven't bought a cell phone yet, because they are not worth the hassle.
I like not being available at another person's whim.

Nice post. Go Milan.

[Regul8er]

What does working 8:30 to 6:00 make me?

[BurtRapp]

Regular you need to hustle hard like Rambis did. Start out with an ounce of Yayo break it down into 20 and 40 bags and build from there.

[Regul8er]

Don't need to hustle Burt. Making good coin straight outta college, gaining great experience and supporting the family legally. What more could a brother ask?? Maybe a winner or two this week!

[blueghost]

kind a have to go on both sides of the coin on this one.. worked 34 yrs in auto factory swing shifts..good money ..and benefits. after retiring ..new car voucher..75,000 buy out and full pension.after two years ..it was not the job or money i miss but the people that i worked with..richer 4 it

[paco]

The ones that call others a loser for working are the deadbeats who don't work and constantly borrow money from the people who work

[Keith Richard]

I usually do 8 till 4. Am I still a loser?

[Arilou]

Yes. It makes you a complete and utter loser. Much better to spend your day posting about how people who work are complete and utter losers than go out there and earn a living.

[thechaoz]

Been playing online poker in college and since then. I graduated last year during the economic meltdown. I have only started sports betting somewhat lately, but I don't make a living off of it (yet) but don't like the idea of not being in control like I am playing cards. I also take "careful" bets and only go with it if I think it's 60% or better (Colts v Seattle etc). I understand without my own models and extreme immersion I will never be "professional". Unlike many people online I realize you have to be extremely dedicated (as in cards) to be successful enough to make it a living. I will, like all things I do, delve deep into this and see if I have what it takes.

It's been a great life really. I am young and don't have too many bills, a nice paid off car. I struggle with the idea of having to work for someone as my personality and temper are really not suited for it anymore being self employed for 6 years now. Yes, I have done 9-5
s several times both before I went to college and sometimes during (took a few years off after high school to travel). It is soul crushing and I saw dead people around me all day in cubicles, it was quite sad and what motivated me to get very good at online cards as I was beating my own paychecks at the time and realized I had only touched the tip of the iceberg.

[mathdotcom]

+EV is +EV. If you got taken out by variance then your roll was too small to start or your bet size is too high.

I love the hugely negative reactions by the slaves working 9-5.

My post about 30k and renting was a joke. No point in replying that I make 6 figures working 2-4 hours a day (from home) - no one would believe. If they did they'd have to admit that they're fools for sucking their boss's schlong for the hope of a Christmas bonus.

Enjoy the rush hour traffic tomorrow morning and all the office politics and everyone else getting promoted while you're in the same position you were in 5 or 10 years ago.

[Sawyer]

Btw, as I mentioned above working 9-5 sucks in my opinion but a 9-5 job is MUST 'til you make a good bankroll. If you have a day job, you can pay for your living expenses by your salary so you won't withdraw any money from your bankroll. I worked for 5 years in a bank. Everyday I wake up, I dreamt about the day that I'll dump my job.

After dumping my job, a very ugly losing streak happened and I lost %25 of my bankroll in a month. I felt like doomed. Hopefully, there was a cash around the corner reserved for betting & paying living expenses for upcoming 12 months. I reloaded my bankroll, then bounced back hopefully. I know I will have losing months in future so we must be prepared for this. If your dream is to make a living by betting, don't quit your day job before you got 20k-30k (50k better) around the corner. Your head must be relax or you won't face up losing..

[Brock Landers]

Btw, as I mentioned above working 9-5 sucks in my opinion but a 9-5 job is MUST 'til you make a good bankroll. If you have a day job, you can pay for your living expenses by your salary so you won't withdraw any money from your bankroll. I worked for 5 years in a bank. Everyday I wake up, I dreamt about the day that I'll dump my job. After dumping my job, a very ugly losing streak happened and I lost %25 of my bankroll in a month. I felt like doomed. Hopefully, there was a cash around the corner reserved for betting & paying living expenses for upcoming 12 months. I reloaded my bankroll, then bounced back hopefully. I know I will have losing months in future so we must be prepared for this. If your dream is to make a living by betting, don't quit your day job before you got 20k-30k (50k better) around the corner. Your head must be relax or you won't face up losing..

excellent points sawyer

[BurtRapp]

Regular I like the avatar pal. Rambis was a hustler. We have Noah here in the Chi as our Hustler. just because I wake up at 2PM and bang sluts off the internet all day and gamble all night doesnt give anyone the right to hate on me.

[mathdotcom]

work 9-5 to build bankroll?

or go back in time 5-6 years, borrow $100 from your parents and deposit it into a casino for 100% bonus and 30mins roll

[Brock Landers]

Regular I like the avatar pal. Rambis was a hustler. We have Noah here in the Chi as our Hustler. just because I wake up at 2PM and bang sluts off the internet all day and gamble all night doesnt give anyone the right to hate on me.

Burt, where'd you get your roll to gamble with to start off? I like what you do, but you didn't get there by accident i don't think

[BurtRapp]

Mathy the illegal lifestyle is the only way to go. What is the worst thing that can happen?? 2 Years in the joint. I need that for vacation time. I have committed 500-700 felonies in my lifetime and have been caught only twice and both got bid down to misdeamenor with a lawyer and 5K. The jails are crowded this is your time to take a shot. They are letting people out for anything. They care more about DUI's than guns these days. PERFECT ERA TO BE A CRIMINAL!!!

[BurtRapp]

Brock I like your videos pal. Not the lifestyle for you buddy but I got my roll thru crime. Shoplifting - Strong arm Robbery - narcatic sales .. ETC... Embezzlement when I did work. Tough living but very fun at times.

[cobalt king]

Im about to go in the military so no sbr for 5 or six months while training

[Brock Landers]

Brock I like your videos pal. Not the lifestyle for you buddy but I got my roll thru crime. Shoplifting - Strong arm Robbery - narcatic sales .. ETC... Embezzlement when I did work. Tough living but very fun at times.

you serious Burt? Thats some heavy shit. If i wanted some of that action could you hook me up? I'll be a mule if nothing else

[midnight777]

I work from 10:30am until 7pm on a computer all day... i can still gamble when I need to thanks to iphone. I really don't work too hard, also I have a good time @ work. I hate being @ home during the day anyways there is nothing to do... 7pm all the games start anyways.... Also I can get my bets in anyways. I would like one day to own my business, a suplement store. Everybody these days are into healthy items. I can respect both ways of living... This year I am charting my plays and money collected starting next week. But I do believe there is no way to get anything worth while working for the man... So to each his own>>>>

[flyingillini]

Mathy, I am going to put an application at Pizza Hut for the assistant supervisor's position. Wish me luck!

[TheLock]

+EV is +EV. If you got taken out by variance then your roll was too small to start or your bet size is too high.

I love the hugely negative reactions by the slaves working 9-5.

My post about 30k and renting was a joke. No point in replying that I make 6 figures working 2-4 hours a day (from home) - no one would believe. If they did they'd have to admit that they're fools for sucking their boss's schlong for the hope of a Christmas bonus.

Enjoy the rush hour traffic tomorrow morning and all the office politics and everyone else getting promoted while you're in the same position you were in 5 or 10 years ago.

Right because everyone who works a standard "job" has no room for advancement and is stuck in a dead end position. Please.

And interestingly enough, my commute to work is less than 2 miles.

[TheLock]

Mathy the illegal lifestyle is the only way to go. What is the worst thing that can happen?? 2 Years in the joint. I need that for vacation time. I have committed 500-700 felonies in my lifetime and have been caught only twice and both got bid down to misdeamenor with a lawyer and 5K. The jails are crowded this is your time to take a shot. They are letting people out for anything. They care more about DUI's than guns these days. PERFECT ERA TO BE A CRIMINAL!!!

How are the retirement benefits packages looking for career felons these days?

Off the top of my head, I can think of one thing that is worse than 2 years in the state. Ending up in the coroners office.

[reno cool]

Is this the place where every miserable prick tries to prove to the other guy how not miserable and suck-sessful they are?

[frostno98]

Nothing wrong with working. I work early, 5am-1pm M-F and make a decent living I might add. Game time doesn't start until 4pm anyways. So, what tha fuk am I going to do in the mean time? Look at internet porn all day and wait for someone to post an interesting topic at SBR

[BurtRapp]

No medical coverage being a career felon but we have the county hospital here not so bad.

[Slim]

The losers are at work now.

[Fishhead]

You wake up every morning, get dressed up, drive to work.
You get out of your car, and as you slam the door shut you realize this is your 100342th day at work doing the same thing over and over. Each step towards the building makes you sick to your stomach. You're in the elevator dreading the moment it reaches your floor.

Then you get out, and have to put the stupid fake smile on your face and say hello to everyone on your way to your cubicle or work station. You boot up your computer and your email is already full of

"Can you do this for me before noon? Thanks."
"Please be advised that today is <insert stupid fake day like 'AIDS awareness day'>, and so at 2pm everyone must come down to the lobby for a quick info session followed by tea and stale cookies"
"Hi, I glanced over that report you submitted. Even though I didn't read much, I think you should re-do it. Thanks, management."

You count the minutes until it is quitting time only to go home and get a bunch of bills in the mail. You are going nowhere and have no hope unless you hit the jackpot.

That is why you should gamble.

As they say .."The working man's a sucker"

[starfire]

I say the same thing. we are all just working ants. go to work, pay bills, no saving money. unless u make over 100k a year

[teecee]

10 Reasons You Should Never Get a Job

July 21st, 2006 by Steve Pavlina

Just for fun I recently asked Erin, “Now that the kids are in summer school, don’t you think it’s about time you went out and got yourself a job? I hate seeing you wallow in unemployment for so long.”


She smiled and said, “Wow. I have been unemployed a really long time. That’s weird… I like it!”


Neither of us have had jobs since the ’90s (my only job was in 1992), so we’ve been self-employed for quite a while. In our household it’s a running joke for one of us to say to the other, “Maybe you should get a job, derelict!”


It’s like the scene in The Three Stooges where Moe tells Curly to get a job, and Curly backs away, saying, “No, please… not that! Anything but that!”


It’s funny that when people reach a certain age, such as after graduating college, they assume it’s time to go out and get a job. But like many things the masses do, just because everyone does it doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. In fact, if you’re reasonably intelligent, getting a job is one of the worst things you can do to support yourself. There are far better ways to make a living than selling yourself into indentured servitude.


Here are some reasons you should do everything in your power to avoid getting a job:


1. Income for dummies.

Getting a job and trading your time for money may seem like a good idea. There’s only one problem with it. It’s stupid! It’s the stupidest way you can possibly generate income! This is truly income for dummies.


Why is getting a job so dumb? Because you only get paid when you’re working. Don’t you see a problem with that, or have you been so thoroughly brainwashed into thinking it’s reasonable and intelligent to only earn income when you’re working? Have you never considered that it might be better to be paid even when you’re not working? Who taught you that you could only earn income while working? Some other brainwashed employee perhaps?
Don’t you think your life would be much easier if you got paid while you were eating, sleeping, and playing with the kids too? Why not get paid 24/7? Get paid whether you work or not. Don’t your plants grow even when you aren’t tending to them? Why not your bank account?


Who cares how many hours you work? Only a handful of people on this entire planet care how much time you spend at the office. Most of us won’t even notice whether you work 6 hours a week or 60. But if you have something of value to provide that matters to us, a number of us will be happy to pull out our wallets and pay you for it. We don’t care about your time — we only care enough to pay for the value we receive. Do you really care how long it took me to write this article? Would you pay me twice as much if it took me 6 hours vs. only 3?


Non-dummies often start out on the traditional income for dummies path. So don’t feel bad if you’re just now realizing you’ve been suckered. Non-dummies eventually realize that trading time for money is indeed extremely dumb and that there must be a better way. And of course there is a better way. The key is to de-couple your value from your time.
Smart people build systems that generate income 24/7, especially passive income. This can include starting a business, building a web site, becoming an investor, or generating royalty income from creative work. The system delivers the ongoing value to people and generates income from it, and once it’s in motion, it runs continuously whether you tend to it or not. From that moment on, the bulk of your time can be invested in increasing your income (by refining your system or spawning new ones) instead of merely maintaining your income.


This web site is an example of such a system. At the time of this writing, it generates about $9000 a month in income for me (update: $40,000 a month as of 10/31/06), and it isn’t my only income stream either. I write each article just once (fixed time investment), and people can extract value from them year after year. The web server delivers the value, and other systems (most of which I didn’t even build and don’t even understand) collect income and deposit it automatically into my bank account. It’s not perfectly passive, but I love writing and would do it for free anyway. But of course it cost me a lot of money to launch this business, right? Um, yeah, $9 is an awful lot these days (to register the domain name). Everything after that was profit.


Sure it takes some upfront time and effort to design and implement your own income-generating systems. But you don’t have to reinvent the wheel — feel free to use existing systems like ad networks and affiliate programs. Once you get going, you won’t have to work so many hours to support yourself. Wouldn’t it be nice to be out having dinner with your spouse, knowing that while you’re eating, you’re earning money? If you want to keep working long hours because you enjoy it, go right ahead. If you want to sit around doing nothing, feel free. As long as your system continues delivering value to others, you’ll keep getting paid whether you’re working or not.


Your local bookstore is filled with books containing workable systems others have already designed, tested, and debugged. Nobody is born knowing how to start a business or generate investment income, but you can easily learn it. How long it takes you to figure it out is irrelevant because the time is going to pass anyway. You might as well emerge at some future point as the owner of income-generating systems as opposed to a lifelong wage slave. This isn’t all or nothing. If your system only generates a few hundred dollars a month, that’s a significant step in the right direction.


2. Limited experience.

You might think it’s important to get a job to gain experience. But that’s like saying you should play golf to get experience playing golf. You gain experience from living, regardless of whether you have a job or not. A job only gives you experience at that job, but you gain ”experience” doing just about anything, so that’s no real benefit at all. Sit around doing nothing for a couple years, and you can call yourself an experienced meditator, philosopher, or politician.
The problem with getting experience from a job is that you usually just repeat the same limited experience over and over. You learn a lot in the beginning and then stagnate. This forces you to miss other experiences that would be much more valuable. And if your limited skill set ever becomes obsolete, then your experience won’t be worth squat. In fact, ask yourself what the experience you’re gaining right now will be worth in 20-30 years. Will your job even exist then?


Consider this. Which experience would you rather gain? The knowledge of how to do a specific job really well — one that you can only monetize by trading your time for money – or the knowledge of how to enjoy financial abundance for the rest of your life without ever needing a job again? Now I don’t know about you, but I’d rather have the latter experience. That seems a lot more useful in the real world, wouldn’t you say?


3. Lifelong domestication.

Getting a job is like enrolling in a human domestication program. You learn how to be a good pet.


Look around you. Really look. What do you see? Are these the surroundings of a free human being? Or are you living in a cage for unconscious animals? Have you fallen in love with the color beige?
How’s your obedience training coming along? Does your master reward your good behavior? Do you get disciplined if you fail to obey your master’s commands?


Is there any spark of free will left inside you? Or has your conditioning made you a pet for life?


Humans are not meant to be raised in cages. You poor thing…


4. Too many mouths to feed.

Employee income is the most heavily taxed there is. In the USA you can expect that about half your salary will go to taxes. The tax system is designed to disguise how much you’re really giving up because some of those taxes are paid by your employer, and some are deducted from your paycheck. But you can bet that from your employer’s perspective, all of those taxes are considered part of your pay, as well as any other compensation you receive such as benefits. Even the rent for the office space you consume is considered, so you must generate that much more value to cover it. You might feel supported by your corporate environment, but keep in mind that you’re the one paying for it.


Another chunk of your income goes to owners and investors. That’s a lot of mouths to feed.


It isn’t hard to understand why employees pay the most in taxes relative to their income. After all, who has more control over the tax system? Business owners and investors or employees?
You only get paid a fraction of the real value you generate. Your real salary may be more than triple what you’re paid, but most of that money you’ll never see. It goes straight into other people’s pockets.


What a generous person you are!


5. Way too risky.

Many employees believe getting a job is the safest and most secure way to support themselves.


Morons.


Social conditioning is amazing. It’s so good it can even make people believe the exact opposite of the truth.


Does putting yourself in a position where someone else can turn off all your income just by saying two words (”You’re fired”) sound like a safe and secure situation to you? Does having only one income stream honestly sound more secure than having 10?


The idea that a job is the most secure way to generate income is just silly. You can’t have security if you don’t have control, and employees have the least control of anyone.


6. Having an evil bovine master.

When you run into an idiot in the entrepreneurial world, you can turn around and head the other way. When you run into an idiot in the corporate world, you have to turn around and say, “Sorry, boss.”
Did you know that the word boss comes from the Dutch word baas, which historically means master? Another meaning of the word boss is “a cow or bovine.” And in many video games, the boss is the evil dude that you have to kill at the end of a level.
So if your boss is really your evil bovine master, then what does that make you? Nothing but a turd in the herd.


Who’s your daddy?


7. Begging for money.

When you want to increase your income, do you have to sit up and beg your master for more money? Does it feel good to be thrown some extra Scooby Snacks now and then?


Or are you free to decide how much you get paid without needing anyone’s permission but your own?


If you have a business and one customer says “no” to you, you simply say “next.”


8. An inbred social life.

Many people treat their jobs as their primary social outlet. They hang out with the same people working in the same field. Such incestuous relations are social dead ends. An exciting day includes deep conversations about the company’s switch from Sparkletts to Arrowhead, the delay of Microsoft’s latest operating system, and the unexpected delivery of more Bic pens. Consider what it would be like to go outside and talk to strangers. Ooooh… scary! Better stay inside where it’s safe.


If one of your co-slaves gets sold to another master, do you lose a friend? If you work in a male-dominated field, does that mean you never get to talk to women above the rank of receptionist? Why not decide for yourself whom to socialize with instead of letting your master decide for you? Believe it or not, there are locations on this planet where free people congregate. Just be wary of those jobless folk — they’re a crazy bunch!


9. Loss of freedom.

It takes a lot of effort to tame a human being into an employee. The first thing you have to do is break the human’s independent will. A good way to do this is to give them a weighty policy manual filled with nonsensical rules and regulations. This leads the new employee to become more obedient, fearing that s/he could be disciplined at any minute for something incomprehensible. Thus, the employee will likely conclude it’s safest to simply obey the master’s commands without question. Stir in some office politics for good measure, and we’ve got a freshly minted mind slave.


As part of their obedience training, employees must be taught how to dress, talk, move, and so on. We can’t very well have employees thinking for themselves, now can we? That would ruin everything.


God forbid you should put a plant on your desk when it’s against the company policy. Oh no, it’s the end of the world! Cindy has a plant on her desk! Summon the enforcers! Send Cindy back for another round of sterility training!


Free human beings think such rules and regulations are silly of course. The only policy they need is: “Be smart. Be nice. Do what you love. Have fun.”


10. Becoming a coward.

Have you noticed that employed people have an almost endless capacity to whine about problems at their companies? But they don’t really want solutions – they just want to vent and make excuses why it’s all someone else’s fault. It’s as if getting a job somehow drains all the free will out of people and turns them into spineless cowards. If you can’t call your boss a jerk now and then without fear of getting fired, you’re no longer free. You’ve become your master’s property.


When you work around cowards all day long, don’t you think it’s going to rub off on you? Of course it will. It’s only a matter of time before you sacrifice the noblest parts of your humanity on the altar of fear: first courage… then honesty… then honor and integrity… and finally your independent will. You sold your humanity for nothing but an illusion. And now your greatest fear is discovering the truth of what you’ve become.


I don’t care how badly you’ve been beaten down. It is never too late to regain your courage. Never!


Still want a job?

If you’re currently a well-conditioned, well-behaved employee, your most likely reaction to the above will be defensiveness. It’s all part of the conditioning. But consider that if the above didn’t have a grain of truth to it, you wouldn’t have an emotional reaction at all. This is only a reminder of what you already know. You can deny your cage all you want, but the cage is still there. Perhaps this all happened so gradually that you never noticed it until now… like a lobster enjoying a nice warm bath.


If any of this makes you mad, that’s a step in the right direction. Anger is a higher level of consciousness than apathy, so it’s a lot better than being numb all the time. Any emotion — even confusion — is better than apathy. If you work through your feelings instead of repressing them, you’ll soon emerge on the doorstep of courage. And when that happens, you’ll have the will to actually do something about your situation and start living like the powerful human being you were meant to be instead of the domesticated pet you’ve been trained to be.


Happily jobless

What’s the alternative to getting a job? The alternative is to remain happily jobless for life and to generate income through other means. Realize that you earn income by providing value — not time – so find a way to provide your best value to others, and charge a fair price for it. One of the simplest and most accessible ways is to start your own business. Whatever work you’d otherwise do via employment, find a way to provide that same value directly to those who will benefit most from it. It takes a bit more time to get going, but your freedom is easily worth the initial investment of time and energy. Then you can buy your own Scooby Snacks for a change.

thank you, Robert Kiyosaki

[alling]

Lien in Bronx Tale says it all:

The working man is a sucker.