No planes on 9-11-01

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What is your theory on the Pentagon, I dont remember it.
What makes you think you were watching live footage?
Why would it take years to see landing gear?
If you saw vids from every conceivable angle you would have noticed most vids showed plane from different angles. I posted a vid a while back where someone did a great job showing tons of vids and related it to NY's landscape and every vid that he showed the dimensions were different. How can that be? Every vid that anyone saw of Kennedy was tampered footage, whether it was Zapruder, Nix, Muchmore, etc.

pentagon? jet, due to 100's of eyewitnesses seeing said jet on its way to the pentagon, and the light poles it wacked on its final descent into the Pentagon.... numerous people in nearby office buildings immediately gave statements that it was a silver jet, from hotels and office buildings with a clear view of the incident.... etc..... hate that the f'n feds are so tight on releasing the evidence of the impact, even going so far as to confiscate clear video of it from the 7-11 with a clear view, and other clear-view vids..... wtf? release the shit.....

live footage? no way three major networks that morning, and numerous other networks, and hundreds of private videos taken all at 9:01 am were not in real time....

years for landing gear? the shit wound up wedged in between two buildings in a very unlikely spot... google it and read up on why/how/etc.

so, all the home vids were somehow tampered with? they didn't record what they thought they were recording? most every vid I've seen accounts for the different angles, views, etc., and all seem consistent with the jet's path.... haven't seen anything askew in dozens and dozens of the impact vids i've seen... please post this kook's analysis so I can take a look at it....

tampered footage of the kennedy assassination? i think i've seen a few vids claiming such, but have no doubt the zapruder film is what it says it is..... (think Dennis Green here -- "the bears are who we thought they were" -- need to throw a sports reference into the mix, or they'll "saloon" this shit..... oh.... uh.... wait....nevermind)

[Eddy Munny]

jeeze.... last issue first.... IT WASN'T KEPT A SECRET.... many confessed to involvement in the conspiracy to assassinate kennedy.... over and over and over! the guys that drove some involved down to dallas gave interviews.... there's a guy in prison in either illinois or indiana who's given the details of the plot over and over....

marcellos family members have confessed to their involvement on their death beds.... many of them admitted to it on tape they didn't even know was being made..... the kennedy conspiracy was, as both SJ and I will attest, the very type of coverup that by its very nature cannot be kept.... AND IT WASN'T!!!!!

So you're adamant that the Kennedy Assassination was a cover-up (which I agree with, btw) but claim that, unlike 9/11, nobody could keep a secret, and thus, the cat is out of the bag. Really? Are you speaking on behalf of the majority here?

The average American still consigns talk of "anyone other than Oswald" to the realm of conspiracy theory. Open up a high school textbook and show me the chapter dedicated to the massive conspiracy by the U.S. government to unseat president Kennedy by whatever means necessary. It doesn't exist. Just because you believe in something, does not make it the status quo.

"Lee Harvey Oswald" would still be the correct answer to your garden-variety trivia game, given the corresponding question.

In other words, the official story is and always has been that LHO killed JFK. The reason why you choose to believe otherwise is that you took the time to gather all the facts, from undoubtedly alternative sources, and pieced the puzzle together yourself, drawing your own conclusions free from the deluge of mainstream press or water cooler conversation.

To prove my point, go ask Kermit (the poster, not the puppet... although the poster is also a puppet, so his handle is golden, but I digress) who killed JFK. If he doesn't represent the uninformed "norm" than nobody does.

The fact of the matter is many people HAVE spoken out about 9/11. Most just don't have the platform that grants them instant credibility in the mind of your typical nine to fiver who simply seeks reassurance through familiarity... that's not to say that they aren't credible, but simply points to a deck stacked against them.Their voice is drowned out by the cacophony of proponents for the official story. Some that have spoken out have lost their jobs, or even their lives. Speaking the truth on these matters is seldom a fruitful proposition.

The elite have a stranglehold on the type of information that trickles down through to the average citizen. Six major corporations have basically all major media under their collective thumbs. Their allegiance is to keeping the billion dollar current flowing uninterrupted, not to illuminate the dark corners of the global network, or enlighten Joe Public on matters to which they may be ignorant. Conversely, it's Joe Public's very ignorance that keeps the crooks unchecked and allows their racket to continue unabated.

To a degree, I understand what you're saying though... the whole JFK narrative has taken on a greater flexibility over the years, but I believe that's due largely to the passage of time. It's as if the whole incident now sits a such a safe distance in our country's past, that the revealing of it's truth by piecemeal presents no real threat to the establishment.

That's in stark contrast to 9/11, however, which is but 15 years young. There remains an ironclad stance on the subject by government and media because the truth would still serve dire consequences for the power brokers who facilitated it's execution.

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first off, it wasn't any "massive conspiracy by the US Govt", but rather a rogue faction of the CIA that was pissed at Kennedy for not invading Cuba, and hangin' the mercenaries out to dry in the Bay of Pigs catastrophe.....

numerous good ol boys that hunted deer back in the day -- positioned on roof tops across the way, they'd be on the other side of kennedy in the zapruder film, ie., on the opposite side of the motorcade from zapruder himself -- heard the first shots coming from their left, ie, the grassy knoll, followed by shots from their right (Schoolbook Depository)

and i believe if you check national polls taken recently, you'd find that a majority of americans do NOT subscribe to the lone gunman theory....

they can't agree, however, on who exactly ordered the hit, or by whom it was carried out by specifically.....

but all in all, after hundreds of hours wasted that could have been billed to clients and generated income on the homefront, I'm left with troubling questions on my mind about 9-11, and how it was carried out, "brass wise", ie, who really was behind the hi-jackers, what was enabled, what was known, and by whom.....

the jewish american contingent comprised of many hawkish jews with close ties to israel, *zakheim, wolfowitz, chertoff, etc., and others -- the NEOCONS" seems to be a good starting point....

this link provides some very strong circumstantial evidence..... the kind people do indeed get killed over:

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

[kmarinouofm]

i was reading that the recorded speed of the planes on film is impossible at the altitude they were flying for that type of aircraft..

the engines would of stalled out..

A commercial airliner can't fly at 400 miles an hour at a couple hundred feet .. which is why they travel at 30k feet.

anyone hear anything about this with 9-11?

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the best quote from the link I posted above:

If these Americans and those like them ever fully understand just how much of their suffering — and the suffering we have inflicted on others — is properly laid on the doorsteps of Israel and its advocates in America, they will sweep aside those in politics, the press and the pulpits alike whose lies and disloyalty brought this about and concealed it from them. They may well leave Israel looking like Carthage after the Romans finished with it. It will be Israel’s own great fault.

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concerning stuff:

[jtoler]

i was reading that the recorded speed of the planes on film is impossible at the altitude they were flying for that type of aircraft..

the engines would of stalled out..

A commercial airliner can't fly at 400 miles an hour at a couple hundred feet .. which is why they travel at 30k feet.

anyone hear anything about this with 9-11?

I posted such to Kerm early in thread after he said 550 mph, when I told him they cant go that fast because the air is too thick he went ape, Im done speaking common sense in this thread.

[Auto Donk]

yeah, this thread is too serious and too much negative energy being projected.....

to lighten the tension and relieve the tempers, let's help celebrate seeweed's upcoming 20,000th post!!!

someone's buying him an hour of triple-anal with three well hung armenians from the "all internal" crew:

[Kermit]

Kind of fabricating stories there man. Much like truthers normally do.

I posted such to Kerm early in thread after he said 550 mph, when I told him they cant go that fast because the air is too thick he went ape, Im done speaking common sense in this thread.

400.

I don't know where 600 came from.

There is nothing in history to compare this to.

And if a jet is already traveling 500+ mph in the higher altitude, and it descends quickly, it doesn't immediately or automatically drop it's speed to 400 mph.

[Auto Donk]

Kind of fabricating stories there man. Much like truthers normally do.






And if a jet is already traveling 500+ mph in the higher altitude, and it descends quickly, it doesn't immediately or automatically drop it's speed to 400 mph.

it does, but only if Maverick is flying it, causing the laser beam to fly right by him, so he can then blow it up instead of being blown up just before entering the twin towers

[Kermit]

it does, but only if Maverick is flying it, causing the laser beam to fly right by him, so he can then blow it up instead of being blown up just before entering the twin towers

As you can see from my quote, what he claimed that I said and he corrected me using his "common sense" is complete bullshit.

[Snowball]

i was reading that the recorded speed of the planes on film is impossible at the altitude they were flying for that type of aircraft..

the engines would of stalled out..

A commercial airliner can't fly at 400 miles an hour at a couple hundred feet .. which is why they travel at 30k feet.

anyone hear anything about this with 9-11?

Yes. Here is one of the videos which gets into the details on this.
It contains the opinions of pilots who flew these planes, and Boeing's own specifications.
A strong case is made that the aircraft would have broken apart.
Of course, even IF they somehow wouldn't break apart, they would not
have been navigatable to the required accuracy of target.

The "planes" which "impacted" the towers could have been missiles.
These cruise missiles would be outfitted to look like planes.
If they couldn't build wings capable of penetrating the towers' structure,
the rigged explosives in the building could have been triggered at the exact
spot, while the phony "wings" disintegrated, leaving the shape of the hole.

[Auto Donk]

all i now is Achmed Atta had the fukker full throttle..... i'm sure someone has done the simple calculation to determine the speed at impact....

anyone have any accurate data on that?

[Snowball]

all i now is Achmed Atta had the fukker full throttle..... i'm sure someone has done the simple calculation to determine the speed at impact....

anyone have any accurate data on that?

1st video above. Over 800 mph given the air pressure.
There were no planes on 911.

[Auto Donk]

snowy, i'm pretty sure ol zakheim had the planes rigged with his "flight termination system".... that vid I posted above, the 43 minute one, gives great detail/analysis of the trail leading down to florida, where ol Duv had 30 767's he was "retrofitting" to be refueling jets.....

if the planes were "switched", and flown with remote control technology (that Duv had access to), no need for missiles.....

the whole sordid web of businesses having involvement with the pentagon and wtc prior to the event, and after, is sickening......

after all my analysis, this was an event orchestrated primarily by the Mossad, with plenty of help from "American Jews" in high places in the U.S. Govt.....

the financial coverup of the billions of dollars the jews had stolen from our gov't, and the planned deaths of the potential whistle blowers, is astounding.... this was done for financial reasons/cover up as well as getting us into a war in the middle east

the Zabrosky interview is a "must see", as well

[Auto Donk]

if atta was "behind the wheel", the best explanation for diving that plane at 450 mph into the wtc is simple, and can be summed up in one word:

COCAINE!!!!!

[Snowball]

did you watch the vids I posted today ?
there were no planes.
I'm familiar with Sabrosky's claims, and the international statements,
such as the former German defense minister and Italian president.
Both back a conspiracy within parts of the American agencies.
Cossiga said it was Mossad with CIA. He busted Operation Gladio.
2-term Italian President, not without La Cosa Nostra ties.

[jtoler]

all i now is Achmed Atta had the fukker full throttle..... i'm sure someone has done the simple calculation to determine the speed at impact....

anyone have any accurate data on that?

Only thing is after alleged attack, supposed hijackers were still alive.

[jtoler]

did you watch the vids I posted today ?
there were no planes.
I'm familiar with Sabrosky's claims, and the international statements,
such as the former German defense minister and Italian president.
Both back a conspiracy within parts of the American agencies.
Cossiga said it was Mossad with CIA. He busted Operation Gladio.
2-term Italian President, not without La Cosa Nostra ties.

Most may have never heard of Gladio or Northwoods, most cant fathom "their" government being capable of such a thing.

[mpaschal34]

1st video above. Over 800 mph given the air pressure.
There were no planes on 911.

So where the f&$k are the 4 people from my company that were on one of those planes? Living on a beach in some 3rd world country?

[nyplayer33]

911

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

[Snowball]

So where the f&$k are the 4 people from my company that were on one of those planes? Living on a beach in some 3rd world country?

They were landed at an air force base in Upstate NY and gassed to death
inside the plane. This is what the flight paths and dark periods line up to.
I used to know the name of the base. Rebecca Roth is a former airline stewardess
who has done good work on this part of the false flag.

[mpaschal34]

They were landed at an air force base in Upstate NY and gassed to death
inside the plane. This is what the flight paths and dark periods line up to.
I used to know the name of the base. Rebecca Roth is a former airline stewardess
who has done good work on this part of the false flag.

So why hasn't the government found you and taken you out? Seems like they wouldn't want guys like you out there telling us the "truth".

[Fidel_CashFlow]

so fukking tired of 9/11 being a pissing contest

Man the fukk up and lets admit that all any of us really know for sure is one thing

That being the official story the government has told us about 911 is not the truth

[Kermit]

so fukking tired of 9/11 being a pissing contest

Man the fukk up and lets admit that all any of us really know for sure is one thing

That being the official story the government has told us about 911 is not the truth

I agree. I think they knew about what was going to happen and were ignorant and let it happen. And I also think they shot flight 93 down.

That is my conspiracy theory.

This shit about holograms and CGI planes is absurd.

[BigDofBA]

I agree. I think they knew about what was going to happen and were ignorant and let it happen. And I also think they shot flight 93 down.

That is my conspiracy theory.

This shit about holograms and CGI planes is absurd.

I think most of these theories are complete and utter BS but at least yours is plausible. I said the exact same thing like 30 pages ago.

I could totally see them shooting down Flight 93 to save lives on the ground and then make up a story about how the passengers were heroes.

[Kermit]

I think most of these theories are complete and utter BS but at least yours is plausible. I said the exact same thing like 30 pages ago.

I could totally see them shooting down Flight 93 to save lives on the ground and then make up a story about how the passengers were heroes.

If they did shoot it down, I cannot argue why it was done. Especially after seeing what had already happened. I just think America wasn't ready to hear that we had to shoot down one of our own planes, so they came up with another story. I live every close to where this happened, and the buzz around here was that it was taken down to prevent further devastation.

[Eddy Munny]

Kermit the Fraud, you are beyond dumb.

"They knew it was going to happen and let it happen." Is that really any different than orchestrating it from the outset?

If the head of the police force has tape recorded phone calls and emails of Professor Plum, laying out detailed plans to murder Miss Peacock in the billiards room with a candlestick, and then stands by to witness the bludgeoning without interference of any sort, despite being armed to the gills and having an entire police unit at his disposal, that officer basically conspired murder with Professor Plum.

Furthermore, if the police chief does nothing in the aftermath of the murder in the way of an investigation, but rather hastily concocts a story exonerating himself of any wrongdoing or foreknowledge, then I submit he should he should swing from the gallows all the same.

You aren't merely brainwashed, but braindead. I'd rather weigh the opinion of a crash test dummy. So pack up your Sesame Street News Flash crew and go bowl the bumper lanes.

[Kermit]

Kermit the Fraud, you are beyond dumb.

"They knew it was going to happen and let it happen." Is that really any different than orchestrating it from the outset?

Yeah dumbfukk, they could have known about the threat(which they got info) and not taken it seriously, thus leading to what happened.

Instead of you and I going back and forth talking shit to each other on an internet forum, how about we share our personal information and solve this face to face like a couple of men?

[Eddy Munny]

So let's say they didn't take it seriously **cough bullshit** you'd think that after the first plane hit, they'd take it seriously at that point, correct? But nooo... NORAD passively stands by at the behest of Dick Chaney while plane #2 (or whatever it was) hits the other tower, and missile... er, plane #3 hits the most protected airspace in all the world, long after it was apparent we were under attack.

Then of course we get the breathtakingly symmetrical fall of building #7, with all the grace of a ballerina, allegedly due to "fires." And then all the rubble was hauled off as quickly as it possibly could be, so that any damning evidence would be conveniently destroyed somewhere far, far away.

What is there to discuss? If you have something of substance to add, this thread would be a good place to start. I don't make dates with crash test dummies.

[jtoler]

If they did shoot it down, I cannot argue why it was done. Especially after seeing what had already happened. I just think America wasn't ready to hear that we had to shoot down one of our own planes, so they came up with another story. I live every close to where this happened, and the buzz around here was that it was taken down to prevent further devastation.

Thats ludicrous considering there was a stand down for supposed aircraft headed to and crashing into two world trade centers. Guess saving people didnt matter there.

[TheMoneyShot]

I agree. I think they knew about what was going to happen and were ignorant and let it happen. And I also think they shot flight 93 down.

That is my conspiracy theory.

This shit about holograms and CGI planes is absurd.

I still question the trajectory of that one plane coming in. Where in one YouTube video they claim it was too precise... so it had to be a drone. No human could of made that perfect bee line into that building.

I believe real people died. I'm always going to believe our government would kill own US citizens to make a point... or start the plot... or story line. Whatever the hell they need to dictate to us... their going to do it.

I'm always going to believe our defense mechanisms would of stopped this. The govt allowed this to go on.

That's why I don't trust any of the sh#$ I see on TV anymore. It's not about being a conspiracy theorist... or any of that nonsense. We are being duped.... straight and simple.

[Auto Donk]

Kermit the Fraud, you are beyond dumb.

Furthermore, if the police chief does nothing in the aftermath of the murder in the way of an investigation, but rather hastily concocts a story exonerating himself of any wrongdoing or foreknowledge, then I submit he should he should swing from the gallows all the same.

[Snowball]

So why hasn't the government found you and taken you out? Seems like they wouldn't want guys like you out there telling us the "truth".

Not enough people believe the truth.
They only believe what they see on TV and hear in "official" news.
It's just not "real" until the mainstream media reports.
Perception is reality for now.
All mainstream media is censored by the Pentagon.
I mean, most people still accept as true whatever they
are told by the government and its media arms.
They can pull anything off now.
There is no recourse, except violence that would lock down the country.
Our ability to affect change through the political process is long over.
That will be painfully clear soon.
This is why they won't allow Trump to win. He's a renegade.
Then, even if he somehow wins, he has to revamp the entire
deep state or it won't matter enough to reveal the truth.