No planes on 9-11-01

[Auto Donk]

Watch this slowly

now the smoke is fake too????

alright class, schools out... children, except pronk, line up for the bus. Pronk, go to the end of the breezeway and line up for the SHORT BUS.....

[Auto Donk]

The next time a big building is designated for demolition, they should fly a jet into it at near full speed.... it would "miraculously" sink into the building much the way the two jets did on 9-11.....

most all survivors from the towers all have the recollection of smelling jet fuel.... some guys luckily were covered in some that didn't ignite.... no technology existed to pull off a giant hologram stunt to fool 100's of cameras from 100's of different locations.... and yes, those planes pretty much discentigrated upon entry of the building.....

fuk the fbi for not displaying more parts/pieces of jetliner accumulated from the rubble..... but they were f'n jets, with some people on them who have never been seen again..... a relative of mine had two co-workers from his company die on one of the PLANES...... VERY REAL LOSSES TO VERY REAL FAMILIES AND FRIENDS.....

[sammygran]

Congrats donk you really did your homework,Very impressive. There will always be people in denial.

[Snowball]

In his latest blog post, here reproduced on Jim Fetzer's blog, Paul Craig Roberts
discusses his efforts to validate the Orlando attack, which have failed.
Roberts, a former officer in the Reagan administration, has been unable to
verify with acceptable evidence that the Orlando attack resulted in the
deaths of 49 people and the serious injuries of another 54.

Pertinent to this thread topic is this paragraph:

Notice that the airplane enters the building without any damage to the airliner or the building and explodes only after it is inside the building. Notice that the airliner hits the tower at an angle that has been calculated to have resulted in impact with eight floors, each reported to contain an acre of concrete, plus all the steel girders and supports, and the airliner does not break apart. The film shows that the airliner just effortlessly enters the building. How is this possible? Wouldn’t the impact have resulted in the airliner breaking up and falling to the ground below? Why would the airliner explode only after it miraculously passed fully into the building and not upon impact with the building?

http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2016/06/paul-craig-roberts-orlando-wrapup.html

[Auto Donk]

damn.... saw this thread had new activity, and thought maybe we'd found a plane or two that actually hit those f'n towers.....

time to run the experiment with some old jet and see how it would have really happened.... remote control fly it into a tower built as the twin towers were..... not as high, as it wouldn't need to be, but 15-20 stories, and fly a f'n similar sized jet into it at the same high ass speeds, and see what happens..... that should shut everyone up on the idea that no planes were used, one way or the other.....

of course, the conspiracy nuts would have to run the f'n experiment, for if they didn't, they'd claim it was just another f'n hologram jet flying into a building.....

[Snowball]

of course, the conspiracy nuts would have to run the f'n experiment, for if they didn't, they'd claim it was just another f'n hologram jet flying into a building.....

you will accept the truth someday Donk.. because you are intelligent and critically-minded.

If those planes hit those buildings, which were specifically BUILT TO REPEL commercial arlines,
the planes would have exploded on impact, split into large pieces and fell to the streets below.
They certainly wouldn't have cut through the buildings like a hot knife through BUTTER, especially
the wings which have absolutely no chance of leaving a hole imprint in the way they "did". NO,
the holes in the buildings that left the imprint of plane impact were done by explosives that were
already installed in the buildings. Neil Bush's firm had the contract. They had full control over
security. The explosives, nano-thermite, however they rigged them were rigged so that they
LEFT the imprint of a plane. That is why on-site survivors were able to walk right through the
damn holes and ask for help.
A large part of the operation was ran by the medusa's head in the 23rd floor of Building 7
which the public was told was Rudy Giuliani's anti-terrorism "command center".

[Swinging Johnson]

"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

[jtoler]

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
― Leo Tolstoy

[Snowball]

"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

[nyplayer33]

What a coincidence...owner of world trade ctr some Jewish guy took a huge eerie insurance policy that would cover terrorism a few months b4 the attacks.....

[nyplayer33]

The insurance policy was for tons n Ton's of money

[Eddy Munny]

This quote is pretty spot-on. It baffles me that there are people who still cling to the official story like it was bequeathed by God himself as the absolute, unimpeachable truth.

Do people not understand that there was no investigation in the immediate aftermath of 9/11? How does anybody reconcile that with the official explanation? You are taking the word of an enterprise, with a prolific history of lying, at face value on a matter in which no competent, objective investigation was ever conducted.

The planes/no-planes debate is legitimate, but I don't think disproving the veracity of the official story even warrants that discussion because the official story crumbles well before we even get that point. That's almost an ancillary discussion for people who already understand that what we've been told about 9/11 is 100% a lie. I think most people who've never really bothered to peel back the layers, find the no-planes theory off-putting, and will immediately defer to the official story as a form of cognitive defense mechanism.

And since there was in all likelihood covert technology employed that defies conventional understanding, the no-planes discussion is one that is met with the most resistance because the flock want all the answers in neat, tidy little packages that fit within the framework of their worldview. That is precisely why people who imprison their minds in the mainstream media cannot be persuaded, because "experts" who project authority on television are vast in numbers, and are always willing to provide these neat, tidy little packages to a public hungry for them.

Revealing the truth on this matter or matters like these will always be an uphill battle because the lies benefit from a powerful propaganda apparatus that holds most people's consciousness hostage. Meanwhile, the truth gets muddied with disinformation, and it's purveyors are marginalized and ridiculed.

Often times getting to the truth requires effort. It can be a painful realization, but once discovered, you'll wonder why you ever gave tacit consent to blindness.

[Eddy Munny]

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
― Leo Tolstoy

This is the quote I was referring to in my previous post.

[themike78]

I was just browsing this and these people really think the planes were holograms? Are you penetrating serious. Ok what about the people that were on the penetrating planes making phone calls?So none of the people died that were on the planes? Were did they go?I am sure the families will be overjoyed with this hologram news.

[themike78]

Ok. I have a question. Maybe I'm on to something here. So do you think maybe the Orlando terrorist was possibly a hologram as well? After looking at the pictures they released of him I'm thinking possible hologram not a real person. What do you think?

[IlluminatedOne]

Ok. I have a question. Maybe I'm on to something here. So do you think maybe the Orlando terrorist was possibly a hologram as well? After looking at the pictures they released of him I'm thinking possible hologram not a real person. What do you think?

I think your rigidness and closed mind hinder all possibilities of you being able to see another side to the story. Refer to post 922

[Auto Donk]

what can we say????


the bitch was obviously "hot"......

people under stress have adrenaline pumping through their systems that can make them endure extreme conditions....

also, there's something that happens to things that were once on fire, in this case an initial flash fire of extreme heat, then spot fires caused thereafter..... THEY COOL OFF AFTER THE FIRE IS GONE!!!!

I guess you conspiracy nuts think it's still several thousand degrees hot where she's at -- obviously it's not.... or she wouldn't be there. Assuming the area she's standing in was ever on fire (it's the jet's entry hole), and where she's at may not have ever been burning, it was clearly cool enough temperature wise for her to be standing there. The fact that fires remain burning a few floors up, or even a few offices down on the same floor, does not make her immediate area "hot"......

[Auto Donk]

you will accept the truth someday Donk.. because you are intelligent and critically-minded.

If those planes hit those buildings, which were specifically BUILT TO REPEL commercial arlines,
the planes would have exploded on impact, split into large pieces and fell to the streets below.
They certainly wouldn't have cut through the buildings like a hot knife through BUTTER, especially
the wings which have absolutely no chance of leaving a hole imprint in the way they "did". NO,
the holes in the buildings that left the imprint of plane impact were done by explosives that were
already installed in the buildings. Neil Bush's firm had the contract. They had full control over
security. The explosives, nano-thermite, however they rigged them were rigged so that they
LEFT the imprint of a plane. That is why on-site survivors were able to walk right through the
damn holes and ask for help.
A large part of the operation was ran by the medusa's head in the 23rd floor of Building 7
which the public was told was Rudy Giuliani's anti-terrorism "command center".

let me get this straight.... I'm a Cantor Fitzgerald broker, in my office a few weeks before 911, and the office mgr comes to me and says "hey, building maintenance needs to get into your office and put some f'n exloplosives along your windows, so in a few weeks when the Illuminati blow up this building, it will show the impression on the outside of the building as if a huge jet flew into it."

Broker: WTF?????

[Auto Donk]

This quote is pretty spot-on. It baffles me that there are people who still cling to the official story like it was bequeathed by God himself as the absolute, unimpeachable truth.

Do people not understand that there was no investigation in the immediate aftermath of 9/11? How does anybody reconcile that with the official explanation? You are taking the word of an enterprise, with a prolific history of lying, at face value on a matter in which no competent, objective investigation was ever conducted.

The planes/no-planes debate is legitimate, but I don't think disproving the veracity of the official story even warrants that discussion because the official story crumbles well before we even get that point. That's almost an ancillary discussion for people who already understand that what we've been told about 9/11 is 100% a lie. I think most people who've never really bothered to peel back the layers, find the no-planes theory off-putting, and will immediately defer to the official story as a form of cognitive defense mechanism.

And since there was in all likelihood covert technology employed that defies conventional understanding, the no-planes discussion is one that is met with the most resistance because the flock want all the answers in neat, tidy little packages that fit within the framework of their worldview. That is precisely why people who imprison their minds in the mainstream media cannot be persuaded, because "experts" who project authority on television are vast in numbers, and are always willing to provide these neat, tidy little packages to a public hungry for them.

Revealing the truth on this matter or matters like these will always be an uphill battle because the lies benefit from a powerful propaganda apparatus that holds most people's consciousness hostage. Meanwhile, the truth gets muddied with disinformation, and it's purveyors are marginalized and ridiculed.

Often times getting to the truth requires effort. It can be a painful realization, but once discovered, you'll wonder why you ever gave tacit consent to blindness.

I guess a few employees of a company that a relative of mine works for, who were on the plane leaving boston, gave their lives for the illuminati..... those guys were on that plane, and never showed back up for work. their families grieved their loss, and funeral services were held....

or, according to you conpiracy nuts, they were executed summarily along with hundreds of other passengers at an abandoned air force base....

oh wait, you dopes aren't in sync with those conspiracy nuts that think all the planes were landed and replaced with radio controlled jets with no passengers..... you guys think they were giant holograms "flown in " from miles away with a projector located in building 7.....

get f'n real.... those are not holograms

there are so many conspiracy theories out there, it's hard to keep em all straight.....

[Auto Donk]

or, assuming neil bush and company decided to rig my righteous view of manhattan office with explosives after I leave the office for the day to go drink scotch with my beautiful wife....

I return the next day, and don't notice anything amiss.... I'm just a stupid f'n millionaire broker with no intelligence, and clearly don't notice the wires and/or platic explosive pods along the exterior wall in my office,....

oh wait, I see something different.... a line of plastic thingys that must be "pop-open Glade air fresheners"..... f'n office manager must have known it was me letting those nasty farts slip after eating that shit new yorkers have the nerve to call "mexican food" .....

i'm sure they're not plastic explosives and or nanothermite packets......

[Auto Donk]

i love this thread..... it shows how f'n paranoid certain drugs ingested can make humans.....

for all of you not smoking crystal meth daily, and for those of you who are who think there were no planes, I'll offer up this little reminder of the truth:

[Auto Donk]

ps. conspiracy theorists.... you've "explained" the planes as being a visual hologram.... but after watching the vid above, please explain to me how the holograms are able to replicate "wound out" jet engines in perfect sync with the visual theatrics the illuminati pulled on tens of thousands of eye witnesses that day.....

not all the f'n sony sound engineers, Hollywood special effects guys, and steven speilbergs and james camerons in the f'n world could have pulled off such a stunt, with sound.....

put the pipes down and accept it.... those were f'n jets.....

[Swinging Johnson]

Tell one person a secret, chances are you've indirectly told at least one more. Thousands of people in on a secret....puh-leeeze. I am now retreating from this absurd thread.

[Snowball]

AutoDonk, even if you don't believe in the "no planes" evidence, then you have to
admit the towers and building 7 were intentionally demolished with fitted explosives.

There is nuclear radiation evidence.

[Auto Donk]

do believe, in the words of the jew silverstein, that the building was "pulled".....

there's a lot behind the story that I do believe raises serious questions worthy of a new investigation and total transparency of the information available to the fbi/cia at the time, and in the aftermath....

particularly interested in the findings at the site, post collapse.... those firefighters and industrial clean up crews finding rivers of "molten lava" like material were not bullshitting....

building seven falling at "free fall", with no resistance whatsoever from the structure beneath that should have still been in tact, providing "resistance" to the falling section of the building, such that free fall was impossible absent removal of that resistance (ie, controlled demolition), mandates in my mind further investigation and transparency.....

using jihadists as patsies, just as oswald was clearly set up in the mutliple gunmen shooting of kenedy in 63, is certainly on the table for discussion.... but special effects and no planes is beyond the realm of technical capabilities available at the time to have been pulled off....

no way a hologram can be projected for more than a mile away, which is what the videos above clearly reveal would have had to have happened for the 2nd plane to have been a fake.....

and as swingin' johnson accurately states, two f'n people can 't keep a secret... no way thousands were in on this and kept it a secret... nor hundreds, or even dozens..... nobody could do it, particularly something this big.... a death bed confession would have happened by now at the very least....

but the fbi and cia and their lack of transparency and overall shadiness suck kahk big time, and are the root of the problem and the basis for the level of distrust of the gov't's involvement and the conspiracy theories that exist.

silverstein is the primary beneficiary of all this bullshit, and the one who's actions just prior to the attacks seem to warrant the most scrutiny..... the evidence indicates either he's the biggest mass murderer in us history, or the "luckiest" guy ever, who takes on a lease of two older asbestos filled buildings and just happens to get a huge pay off for having done so a few months later.....

[jtoler]

do believe, in the words of the jew silverstein, that the building was "pulled".....

there's a lot behind the story that I do believe raises serious questions worthy of a new investigation and total transparency of the information available to the fbi/cia at the time, and in the aftermath....

particularly interested in the findings at the site, post collapse.... those firefighters and industrial clean up crews finding rivers of "molten lava" like material were not bullshitting....

building seven falling at "free fall", with no resistance whatsoever from the structure beneath that should have still been in tact, providing "resistance" to the falling section of the building, such that free fall was impossible absent removal of that resistance (ie, controlled demolition), mandates in my mind further investigation and transparency.....

using jihadists as patsies, just as oswald was clearly set up in the mutliple gunmen shooting of kenedy in 63, is certainly on the table for discussion.... but special effects and no planes is beyond the realm of technical capabilities available at the time to have been pulled off....

no way a hologram can be projected for more than a mile away, which is what the videos above clearly reveal would have had to have happened for the 2nd plane to have been a fake.....

and as swingin' johnson accurately states, two f'n people can 't keep a secret... no way thousands were in on this and kept it a secret... nor hundreds, or even dozens..... nobody could do it, particularly something this big.... a death bed confession would have happened by now at the very least....

Really, beyond the realm of capabilities? 2001? Really, you said that. I guess also beyond the realm of capabilities was any decent film of that day, every piece of footage they showed was grainy, hazy or washed out, I can post what normal video footage looks like in 2001 from news broadcasts of NY other than 9-11-01 if you like, its no different than today, but on that day its all grainy for a specific reason, shouldnt be hard to figure out why.

Who said anything about a hologram, some have said that, I dont think a hologram was used.

You say many cant keep a secret yet you believe the Kennedy assassination was an inside job, contradictory statement there.

[Auto Donk]

Really, beyond the realm of capabilities? 2001? Really, you said that. I guess also beyond the realm of capabilities was any decent film of that day, every piece of footage they showed was grainy, hazy or washed out, I can post what normal video footage looks like in 2001 from news broadcasts of NY other than 9-11-01 if you like, its no different than today, but on that day its all grainy for a specific reason, shouldnt be hard to figure out why.

Who said anything about a hologram, some have said that, I dont think a hologram was used.

You say many cant keep a secret yet you believe the Kennedy assassination was an inside job, contradictory statement there.

jeeze.... last issue first.... IT WASN'T KEPT A SECRET.... many confessed to involvement in the conspiracy to assassinate kennedy.... over and over and over! the guys that drove some involved down to dallas gave interviews.... there's a guy in prison in either illinois or indiana who's given the details of the plot over and over....

marcellos family members have confessed to their involvement on their death beds.... many of them admitted to it on tape they didn't even know was being made..... the kennedy conspiracy was, as both SJ and I will attest, the very type of coverup that by its very nature cannot be kept.... AND IT WASN'T!!!!!

ON THE other issue.... so, u think it wasn't a hologram.... what then, I ask, do you think those large flying things were? are you a member of the "military planes" substituted theory? what is your explanation?

ps... many of the snippets in the video i posted above, the compilation of a PLANE hitting the wtc, were clear as shit!!! not grainy at all!

[jtoler]

jeeze.... last issue first.... IT WASN'T KEPT A SECRET.... many confessed to involvement in the conspiracy to assassinate kennedy.... over and over and over! the guys that drove some involved down to dallas gave interviews.... there's a guy in prison in either illinois or indiana who's given the details of the plot over and over....

marcellos family members have confessed to their involvement on their death beds.... many of them admitted to it on tape they didn't even know was being made..... the kennedy conspiracy was, as both SJ and I will attest, the very type of coverup that by its very nature cannot be kept.... AND IT WASN'T!!!!!

ON THE other issue.... so, u think it wasn't a hologram.... what then, I ask, do you think those large flying things were? are you a member of the "military planes" substituted theory? what is your explanation?

ps... many of the snippets in the video i posted above, the compilation of a PLANE hitting the wtc, were clear as shit!!! not grainy at all!

But do you know who shot the bullets that killed him. Thats no secret either but hardly anyone knows. Many involved with Kennedy assassination gave false testimonies, the ones who were really gonna talk all got murdered, go look at the death roll.

You think computers werent around in 2001? You think that plane enters that building without breaking? Thats really the only question I have, do you think that plane enters that building without leaving any plane on the outside?

[Auto Donk]

so, no planes, tho, my question is what do you think those flying things were?

answer that.....

a computer? a dell desktop? huge one? shaped like a plane?

and, note from the video above a lot of things falling from the mass explosion, including on the outside of the entry hole... much of it possible plane debris..... and no one had ever tested the theory of the buildings being "jet proof", particularly jet proof at full speed fully fueled 767's or whatever was flown into them......

video footage only captures so much per frame..... but what can be seen in all the vids above from the entry angle, is debris falling upon immediate impact on the outside of the building....

and why go through the theatrics of planes, if it would be just as easy to say jihadists "blew the fukkers" up.... a lot less trouble to just have some terrorists blow them up..... like they tried to do in the nineties (at which time I accurately predicted that terrorists would not be satisfied until they brought those buildings down)....

sometimes the truth is a hard pill to swallow..... but those are indeed jets making impact with the wtc......

by the way, I'm on record as of 9-11-2001 as saying a nuke is coming to dc or manhattan..... it's only a matter of time til we are treated to that event..... sucks, but it's coming.....

better start your false flag theories now on that hickey our nation is destined to take

[jtoler]

More than likely simply graphics, Ive seen quite a few vids where no plane is visible just an explosion. Things blew outward just like in Oklahoma. Some of your posts seem to say you think something fishy then the next will say otherwise, Im confused, oh well this is a dead horse anyway.

[Auto Donk]

certain 9-11 issues raise red flags, others don't....

the security team for norad and its nefarious connections, for example, and of course the jew silverstein, raise big questions.... as does the fighter jet numerous eyewitnesses saw heading toward the ultimate crash site in Pa do....

but the non-existence of planes.... it doesn't.....

i've posted plenty in this thread, and have acknowledged areas of great concern, such as why no pentagon vids have been released showing the impact of the alleged jet hitting the Pentagon.... why not lay all the conspiracy theories related to an alleged missile to rest?

but when it comes to the issues of jets hitting the wtc, I know what I personally saw that morning, being broadcast live, and I know I saw the discovery of appropriate landing gear found years later, as well.... and i've seen over 100 vids from every conceivable angle showing a jet hitting the second building, and I've read the eyewitness testimony of dozens of people drenched in fortunately unignited jet fuel.....

let me guess, the illuminati also installed, under the cover of darkness, huge rubber bladders filled with jet fuel in the ceilings of various floors to "release" upon the nefarious plan being carried out???

as sure as waves has four (see photo to the left), there were planes on 9-11!

[Auto Donk]

and of course the dancing israelis, who seemed to have legit intelligence, as agents of the mosad, that the attacks were coming, and would benefit the position of Israel in its middle east conflict, as it would surely get the US involved in the mid-east once again.....

why was tenet and the CIA so clueless? if one of our allies had such intelligence, why not give it to us to avoid the attack? or did they, and did a faction of the CIA -- think wolfowitz minded psychos -- keep it from the higher ups?

there are a ton of questions never properly investigated related to 9-11, and I certainly acknowledge that.... but as for the planes, I do indeed believe that weeks prior, in some florida strip clubs, mohammed atta and co. were indeed braggin' to strippers of their plans, etc.....

whether they were, like bin laden, played as patsies in the situation is another area of inquiry.... i'll even give you the "source of the jets" hi jacked that day is shady.... and needs to be fully investigated.... but just don't try to tell me there were no planes....

[jtoler]

[jtoler]

certain 9-11 issues raise red flags, others don't....

the security team for norad and its nefarious connections, for example, and of course the jew silverstein, raise big questions.... as does the fighter jet numerous eyewitnesses saw heading toward the ultimate crash site in Pa do....

but the non-existence of planes.... it doesn't.....

i've posted plenty in this thread, and have acknowledged areas of great concern, such as why no pentagon vids have been released showing the impact of the alleged jet hitting the Pentagon.... why not lay all the conspiracy theories related to an alleged missile to rest?

but when it comes to the issues of jets hitting the wtc, I know what I personally saw that morning, being broadcast live, and I know I saw the discovery of appropriate landing gear found years later, as well.... and i've seen over 100 vids from every conceivable angle showing a jet hitting the second building, and I've read the eyewitness testimony of dozens of people drenched in fortunately unignited jet fuel.....

let me guess, the illuminati also installed, under the cover of darkness, huge rubber bladders filled with jet fuel in the ceilings of various floors to "release" upon the nefarious plan being carried out???

as sure as waves has four (see photo to the left), there were planes on 9-11!

What is your theory on the Pentagon, I dont remember it.
What makes you think you were watching live footage?
Why would it take years to see landing gear?
If you saw vids from every conceivable angle you would have noticed most vids showed plane from different angles. I posted a vid a while back where someone did a great job showing tons of vids and related it to NY's landscape and every vid that he showed the dimensions were different. How can that be? Every vid that anyone saw of Kennedy was tampered footage, whether it was Zapruder, Nix, Muchmore, etc.

[Auto Donk]

great coordination there by the E-team.....

guess the "A-team" carried off the big day, as these f'n simpletons couldn't attack my cat while she lay asleep with any degree of lethality.....