What the Hell is going on in Ferguson, Missouri?

[Let's Go Rangers]

That scenario seems the most plausible, besides black males have been killed by the cops for far less, but yeah I can see an altercation in the car and the cop looking to get the upper hand pulls his gun, Brown going for gun /or not after he sees cop is reaching for it, gun goes off striking Brown, Brown decides to leave car after being shot and he sees he's out manned, the cop yells freeze, Brown runs with hands up, cop unloads, funny some want to make Brown's size and fists to be superior or seem to neutralize the fact the cop has a gun.

So he is standing there arms up and the cop hits him in the arm a bunch more times?

He then hits him in the eye
and finally the top of the head?

NO SHOTS CENTER MASS

What makes sense for no shots center mass is a guy running full steam back at a cop arms pumping...bent over at the waist slightly

Cop fires away...strikes him in the arm a few more times, then scores one to the eye.
The animal drops with a face plant, and as he is falling straight down, the shot to the top of the head occurs

[itchypickle]

So he is standing there arms up and the cop hits him in the arm a bunch more times?

He then hits him in the eye
and finally the top of the head?

NO SHOTS CENTER MASS

What makes sense for no shots center mass is a guy running full steam back at a cop arms pumping...bent over at the waist slightly

Cop fires away...strikes him in the arm a few more times, then scores one to the eye.
The animal drops with a face plant, and as he is falling straight down, the shot to the top of the head occurs

Nailed it. It should tell people, the common sense ones at least....three + autopsies, physical and forensics on scene, FBI and full DOJ presence looking for ANY angle to make a charge and they can't find anything......the story of Brown kneeling in compliance and surrendering while Wilson walked up point blank and fired executing him in the street have come undone like a mummy on a spin wheel

[itchypickle]

I don't believe it because like I said before, it contradicts him running in the first place.

And go back to finish Wilson? Wilson was not in a state to be finish, he gained the upper hand not Brown. Brown was the one in the state of almost being finished, seeing how he was the one shot in the car. If anything it would be Wilson doing the finishing since it appears Wilson won the fight. Oh right, he did finish Brown.

I don't know why they fought at the car. I don't know how serious the fight was and I don't know who initiated it. But what I can say is, I don't think Brown went for the cop's gun. I think Wilson pulled his own gun to end the altercation.

It'll be helpful once all records are released after the Grand Jury is completed...but in mean time its all a guessing game to some point.

The initial struggle in the car makes sense if Wilson went to exit, Brown just closes the door back leans down and punches or if Dorian's account is added, the door ricocheted closed and Wilson reached out to grab Brown and thats when the struggle ensued. Brown could have easily, to release the grip, started striking him....either he reached for the gun or the gun was pulled because Wilson realized he;s in a bad position in the fight, constrained to the seat, on the bottom of a larger man, and having blows strike him (doesnt have to be battered, we all watch MMA and have seen street fights, one shot to the right spot and lights out)..gun shot to the arm....brown runs...when he realizes after hearing the shots fired at him he's not being hit anymore, thought would be to rush in and take the gun away to eliminate the threat...so you have both sides seeing a threat at this point...Wilson won. End of story.

[Let's Go Rangers]

It'll be helpful once all records are released after the Grand Jury is completed...but in mean time its all a guessing game to some point.

The initial struggle in the car makes sense if Wilson went to exit, Brown just closes the door back leans down and punches or if Dorian's account is added, the door ricocheted closed and Wilson reached out to grab Brown and thats when the struggle ensued. Brown could have easily, to release the grip, started striking him....either he reached for the gun or the gun was pulled because Wilson realized he;s in a bad position in the fight, constrained to the seat, on the bottom of a larger man, and having blows strike him (doesnt have to be battered, we all watch MMA and have seen street fights, one shot to the right spot and lights out)..gun shot to the arm....brown runs...when he realizes after hearing the shots fired at him he's not being hit anymore, thought would be to rush in and take the gun away to eliminate the threat...so you have both sides seeing a threat at this point...Wilson won. End of story.

no way a trained police officer is shooting at the guys back

[itchypickle]

no way a trained police officer is shooting at the guys back

Yep...it's pretty clear to see from all evidence so far....Brown was NOT shot in the back...he was NOT shot point blank execution style as he sat kneeling with hands raised complying...so the only version left is the officer's.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

wanna know whats a bit funny?

Darren Wilson has made it seemed like he was terrified of the 18 year old menacing figure he killed that day

Sup with that tho ? Wilson is a big fukkin dude himself







combine that with Wilson having a gun with stopping power and Brown being unarmed ..

6 shots hitting Brown... and 10 fired overall

what gives ?

[jtoler]

They really believe blacks are superhumans like it says in the encyclopedia only way to describe the numerous demonstrations of overkill.

[downsouth]

Should be another quality round of rioting once the grand jury does not prosecute.

[Auto Donk]

Yep...Makes no sense, engage cop, then run, then keep running....After being shot at then going back towards him makes no sense.

But he probably deserved it anyways, so just saving us tax payers money. I'm ok with it.

damn, guys, this is really easy... the punk/thug started to bail (i.e, run away) when the cop started shooting at him at first. he turned back around to surrender after being shot at, realizing this amped up mo fo was gonna kill him if he didn't surrender. he expected the cop to stop shooting when he turned around AND PUT HIS HANDS IN THE AIR. Several different witnesses from several different view points all said he turned with hands in the air (none of them knew what the other witnesses would say, and none of them conferred or had any connection to the other). But rather than holding him at gun point, the amped up cop, who brown had been physical with, executed him. brown was a thug and a punk, but was shot with his hands in the air trying to surrender. the cop needs to go away for a long time. dealing with shit everyday on the job, the very likes of punks like brown, doesn't mean u get to kill them when they surrender.

I was shot by a punk at point blank range one night, and fortunately wasn't killed. I yelled at him "you shoot me, mother fuckker?!?!?! He was shaking so penetrating bad from all the adrenaline I thought he was gonna go ahead and unload the rest of his 9mm on me. Fortunately he didn't, and I told him to put the gun down..... sorry rooster_eater got off with "negligent discharge of a firearm" b/c his lawyer got him a plea deal. Attempted murder/agg assault pled down to that..... the da's office didn't consult me, and the mother fuckin' newbie d.a. that cut the deal was fired........

but brown wasn't so lucky, the cop kept shooting as he tried to surrender. there are two volleys of shots, the first, then the deadly round...... no excuse is acceptable for what the cop did.......

[itchypickle]

damn, guys, this is really easy... the punk/thug started to bail (i.e, run away) when the cop started shooting at him at first. he turned back around to surrender after being shot at, realizing this amped up mo fo was gonna kill him if he didn't surrender. he expected the cop to stop shooting when he turned around AND PUT HIS HANDS IN THE AIR. Several different witnesses from several different view points all said he turned with hands in the air (none of them knew what the other witnesses would say, and none of them conferred or had any connection to the other). But rather than holding him at gun point, the amped up cop, who brown had been physical with, executed him. brown was a thug and a punk, but was shot with his hands in the air trying to surrender. the cop needs to go away for a long time. dealing with shit everyday on the job, the very likes of punks like brown, doesn't mean u get to kill them when they surrender.

I was shot by a punk at point blank range one night, and fortunately wasn't killed. I yelled at him "you shoot me, mother fuckker?!?!?! He was shaking so penetrating bad from all the adrenaline I thought he was gonna go ahead and unload the rest of his 9mm on me. Fortunately he didn't, and I told him to put the gun down..... sorry rooster_eater got off with "negligent discharge of a firearm" b/c his lawyer got him a plea deal. Attempted murder/agg assault pled down to that..... the da's office didn't consult me, and the mother fuckin' newbie d.a. that cut the deal was fired........

but brown wasn't so lucky, the cop kept shooting as he tried to surrender. there are two volleys of shots, the first, then the deadly round...... no excuse is acceptable for what the cop did.......

well considering the short time from fight to final lethal shot...lets just remember. If he would have simply gotten out of traffic, not stolen cigarillos, played hard ass.....none of this would have been happened. He'd be chillin in the hood today smoking those cigarillos with Dorian after he paid for them through his bright future filled job and the world would be right. So lets remember who is actually to blame here. Its like all those thousands of episodes of COPS on tv daily.....guy has a suspended license so he runs from police....travels 80+ through residential neighborhoods, crashes cars and property....endangers families and the public at large...crashes....gets out and runs again....gets tased and thrown to the ground and scratches his cheek a little and suddenly 'police brutality, poor guy was just scared, police need to be nicer' He was 18....made his own bad choice and it is what it is. Lesson to be learned.

[brooks85]

well considering the short time from fight to final lethal shot...lets just remember. If he would have simply gotten out of traffic, not stolen cigarillos, played hard ass.....none of this would have been happened. He'd be chillin in the hood today smoking those cigarillos with Dorian after he paid for them through his bright future filled job and the world would be right. So lets remember who is actually to blame here. Its like all those thousands of episodes of COPS on tv daily.....guy has a suspended license so he runs from police....travels 80+ through residential neighborhoods, crashes cars and property....endangers families and the public at large...crashes....gets out and runs again....gets tased and thrown to the ground and scratches his cheek a little and suddenly 'police brutality, poor guy was just scared, police need to be nicer' He was 18....made his own bad choice and it is what it is. Lesson to be learned.

lol funny reading your delusions. It is very obvious what happened and what the problem is. Yes it is like all those COPS on tv, none can shoot for shit.


anyone remember the hostage the police executed awhile back in California?

http://www.mintpressnews.com/video-33-police-officers-fire-600-bullets-car-knowing-contained-hostage-killing/197948/

[jtoler]

This cop has a miserable life ahead of him, "innocent" cop goes into hiding for months, yea makes sense. Good luck on living a normal life kid.

[brooks85]

lol and for some comedy about the nations largest gang trying to fund their agenda.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/10/16/speed-cameras-netting-city-50-million-less-than-expected-emanuel-administration/

[itchypickle]

This cop has a miserable life ahead of him, "innocent" cop goes into hiding for months, yea makes sense. Good luck on living a normal life kid.

I'd be suing attorney Crump for slander/Libel....man hasnt even been charged and the guy goes on national TV and calls you a murderer, racist, ends career. Cash it.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

damn, guys, this is really easy... the punk/thug started to bail (i.e, run away) when the cop started shooting at him at first. he turned back around to surrender after being shot at, realizing this amped up mo fo was gonna kill him if he didn't surrender. he expected the cop to stop shooting when he turned around AND PUT HIS HANDS IN THE AIR. Several different witnesses from several different view points all said he turned with hands in the air (none of them knew what the other witnesses would say, and none of them conferred or had any connection to the other). But rather than holding him at gun point, the amped up cop, who brown had been physical with, executed him. brown was a thug and a punk, but was shot with his hands in the air trying to surrender. the cop needs to go away for a long time. dealing with shit everyday on the job, the very likes of punks like brown, doesn't mean u get to kill them when they surrender.

I was shot by a punk at point blank range one night, and fortunately wasn't killed. I yelled at him "you shoot me, mother fuckker?!?!?! He was shaking so penetrating bad from all the adrenaline I thought he was gonna go ahead and unload the rest of his 9mm on me. Fortunately he didn't, and I told him to put the gun down..... sorry rooster_eater got off with "negligent discharge of a firearm" b/c his lawyer got him a plea deal. Attempted murder/agg assault pled down to that..... the da's office didn't consult me, and the mother fuckin' newbie d.a. that cut the deal was fired........

but brown wasn't so lucky, the cop kept shooting as he tried to surrender. there are two volleys of shots, the first, then the deadly round...... no excuse is acceptable for what the cop did.......

AutoDonk might not go about it in the nicest way possible,
but this most likely is a good description of went down that day.

well considering the short time from fight to final lethal shot...lets just remember. If he would have simply gotten out of traffic, not stolen cigarillos, played hard ass.....none of this would have been happened. He'd be chillin in the hood today smoking those cigarillos with Dorian after he paid for them through his bright future filled job and the world would be right. So lets remember who is actually to blame here. Its like all those thousands of episodes of COPS on tv daily.....guy has a suspended license so he runs from police....travels 80+ through residential neighborhoods, crashes cars and property....endangers families and the public at large...crashes....gets out and runs again....gets tased and thrown to the ground and scratches his cheek a little and suddenly 'police brutality, poor guy was just scared, police need to be nicer' He was 18....made his own bad choice and it is what it is. Lesson to be learned.

Cmon now Itches, I bet even you think the cop went overboard in this case.
One thing that would help a lot is if the psychological evaluation a cop has to go through
could be more of a extensive process

[Kermit]

The only thing that really has me scratching my head now is this new witness claiming that the cop kept yelling "Stop" repeatedly before firing. If the kid was surrendering, why was the cop yelling stop?

[itchypickle]

AutoDonk might not go about it in the nicest way possible,
but this most likely is a good description of went down that day.





Cmon now Itches, I bet even you think the cop went overboard in this case.
One thing that would help a lot is if the psychological evaluation a cop has to go through
could be more of a extensive process

In the Mike Brown case, possibly a few armchair QBing options but once the fight at the truck took place and if Brown was indeed coming back toward him...Wilson did the right thing. This is where, in depth, I would be on the fence. If Brown had simply pulled away from his grasp and took off fleeing and Wilson got out and finished him off....cop is in the wrong. But from all the evidence so far and common sense Wilson was clocked and got out right behind brown firing...Brown made the turn back toward him (autopsy showed shots to the front not the back) so shooting was justified. I dont buy into the 'well wilson should have locked himself in the car and called for backup...thought it over and used mace instead...fought him hand to hand in the street' nonsense because thats not the law nor protocol. I'll go on record again by saying the Trooper in Carolina that shot the dude reaching for his ID at the gas station went overboard...the CHP guy who was video taped in on side of the interstate clobbering the black woman...overboard. But so far...I have to say Wilson shouldnt be charged here.

[Let's Go Rangers]

The only thing that really has me scratching my head now is this new witness claiming that the cop kept yelling "Stop" repeatedly before firing. If the kid was surrendering, why was the cop yelling stop?

He was yelling STOP as the animal charged towards him

[TheLock]

Autopsy shows that Brown got shot in the hand at close range.

All the cop haters have a lot of back pedaling to do now.

Protest, cry, whine before hearing what the forensic evidence says as usual.

[The Kraken]

Pussy cop

Can't handle himself so he shoots a kid during a little dust up.

Cops live for that moment. To be able to justifiably kill someone.

[TheLock]

Yeah, I'm sure that cop has been living for the moment when he can't leave his house, his whole life under the microscope and half the population of the city wants him to fry in the chair.

[itchypickle]

Pussy cop

Can't handle himself so he shoots a kid during a little dust up.

Cops live for that moment. To be able to justifiably kill someone.

He's been a cop for 6 years....in St Louis area....if that was his goal there are PLENTY of willing participants for that little scenario armed and walking around bangin' for there to be no questions asked...at night....if that were true. I'm sure he's went hands on with hundreds of Mike Browns in those years....so what is the thought process there?

[Let's Go Rangers]

He's been a cop for 6 years....in St Louis area....if that was his goal there are PLENTY of willing participants for that little scenario armed and walking around bangin' for there to be no questions asked...at night....if that were true. I'm sure he's went hands on with hundreds of Mike Browns in those years....so what is the thought process there?

Kraken is an admitted druggie

You can't expect him to think clearly

[TheLock]

Most fanatical cop haters are misfits with long criminal histories. They blame law enforcement instead of taking responsibility for their own actions.

I'm not implying that there aren't douchey cops out there because there clearly are but ultra-venomous cop haters are blind in their hatred and speak before gathering facts.

[itchypickle]

Most fanatical cop haters are misfits with long criminal histories. They blame law enforcement instead of taking responsibility for their own actions.

I'm not implying that there aren't douchey cops out there because there clearly are but ultra-venomous cop haters are blind in their hatred and speak before gathering facts.

This is a great point.

[jtoler]

Yeah, I'm sure that cop has been living for the moment when he can't leave his house, his whole life under the microscope and half the population of the city wants him to fry in the chair.

Sure because he could see the future and knew that kind of life was ahead of him. Im sure he saw his fellow cop brethren shoot other black males and nothing happened and he thought he could do the same and life would still be peach, not this time.

[itchypickle]

More facts coming out....all keep backing up Officer Wilson's version.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/10/22/new-information-released-on-michael-brown-case/

[Let's Go Rangers]

Jurors have also been provided with the St. Louis County autopsy report, including toxicology test results for Brown that show he had levels of Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active ingredient in marijuana. The Post’s sources said the levels in Brown’s body may have been high enough to trigger hallucinations.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-evidence-supports-officers-account-of-shooting-in-ferguson/2014/10/22/cf38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html

[Kermit]

They just said on the news that there are reports of as many as 7 witnesses (all black) have now confirmed what Darren Wilson gave in his testimony. Is this true? I cannot find anything on the net about it.

[Auto Donk]

Most fanatical cop haters are misfits with long criminal histories. They blame law enforcement instead of taking responsibility for their own actions.

I'm not implying that there aren't douchey cops out there because there clearly are but ultra-venomous cop haters are blind in their hatred and speak before gathering facts.

or they are criminal defense attorneys who witness their abuse on a daily basis......

[kidcudi92]

Should be another quality round of rioting once the grand jury does not prosecute.

final boss round

[Auto Donk]

[QUOTE=itchypickle;22828453]well considering the short time from fight to final lethal shot...lets just remember. If he would have simply gotten out of traffic, not stolen cigarillos, played hard ass.....none of this would have been happened. He'd be chillin in the hood today smoking those cigarillos with Dorian after he paid for them through his bright future filled job and the world would be right. So lets remember who is actually to blame here. Its like all those thousands of episodes of COPS on tv daily.....guy has a suspended license so he runs from police....travels 80+ through residential neighborhoods, crashes cars and property....endangers families and the public at large...crashes....gets out and runs again....gets tased and thrown to the ground and scratches his cheek a little and suddenly 'police brutality, poor guy was just scared, police need to be nicer' He was 18....made his own bad choice and it is what it is. Lesson to be learned.[/QUOiTE]
I totally agree "big mike" was a piece of shit wanna be bad ass..... but last I checked, we as a society don't let cops hand down the death penalty for a suspended license, speeding, and being high, etc...... he tried to surrender (all eyewitnesses confirmed this independently), and the cop executed him.... he needs to go away, and in the end he will.....

cops are here to "protect and serve," not act as judge, jury and executioner!

[Let's Go Rangers]

Hood rats repeating a story that doesn't match forensics.

I trust science

[statnerds]

guys are wasting your time

truth doesn't matter. never has, never will.

race is big business and big votes. when you can't win on ideas or results, you fall back on race. truth be damned.

kinda like black on white crime is 3X higher than white on black crime. but that fact don't matter.

but the clueless fukks don't care. that is why they will stay stupid, angry and broke. but every four years will get out there and vote democrat.

[scumbag]

guys are wasting your time

truth doesn't matter. never has, never will.

race is big business and big votes. when you can't win on ideas or results, you fall back on race. truth be damned.

kinda like black on white crime is 3X higher than white on black crime. but that fact don't matter.

but the clueless fukks don't care. that is why they will stay stupid, angry and broke. but every four years will get out there and vote democrat.

What a fcking idiot.

the only idea you jerkoffs ever have is "tax cuts for billionaires".

Or telling some working class idiot that the real problem isn't the rich robbing them blind but the "welfare queen making 100k with 2 caddys".

Classic fcking moron.