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  • Snowball
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    • 11-15-09
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    #3396
    Originally posted by brainfreeze
    They didn't have New Testament scripture as a whole as we have it either, mapped out. i just explained the meaning ... if you think he's right, shrugs ok...i gave tons of scripture that verify my position.
    No you haven't, because even the first Protestant heretics believed in the Real Presence.
    The argument was between consubstantiation or transubstantiation, not the Real Presence.

    Also, in your resistance to what bobbywaves said, you're wrong again, because God the Father
    does allow temptation as a trial. That much is terribly clear throughout all the Scriptures, Old and
    New Testaments, the oldest book of the Holy Bible is based on one man's trial, Job. He was tempted
    and afflicted. Jesus was tempted and afflicted. Jesus told us to pray to the Father, asking not to be
    put to the trial, to be led away from temptation. God allows temptation to happen. In Eden, Adam
    and Eve were tempted. Satan was already on Earth before Man was created, God knew what would
    happen. He knew Satan would tempt them.

    Lastly, your statement above is patently ridiculous, to claim that the Holy Apostles needed the
    books we have today - based on their teachings directly, what are you talking about ? You worship
    the New Testament so much that you actually believe the Apostles needed the books ? How ridiculous.
    It was not until the end of the Apostolic Age that writing occurred. John in his epistles clearly
    favors face-to-face contact. The vast majority of peoples did not read. Christ wanted His
    teachings delivered through the Apostles and disciples by mouth and spirit. Their authority
    is essential, He appointed them to preach and do works, not once in the entire Gospel does
    he tell them to write down what He said. He never wrote anything but a single line in the sand.
    What books we have in the New Testament and in all Patrology are only those which survived the
    many persecutions and confiscations. They are sufficient, but they are incomplete. Even the
    writings of Jews and Pagans are incomplete. It was policy of multiple Roman emperors and
    Jewish leaders to destroy the writings of Christians and to paint reference of them in a negative way.
    Last edited by Snowball; 03-01-17, 10:50 AM.
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    • brainfreeze
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      #3397
      Originally posted by Snowball
      No you haven't, because even the first Protestant heretics believed in the Real Presence.
      The argument was between consubstantiation or transubstantiation, not the Real Presence.

      Also, in your resistance to what bobbywaves said, you're wrong again, because God the Father
      does allow temptation as a trial. That much is terribly clear throughout all the Scriptures, Old and
      New Testaments, the oldest book of the Holy Bible is based on one man's trial, Job. He was tempted
      and afflicted. Jesus was tempted and afflicted. Jesus told us to pray to the Father, asking not to be
      put to the trial, to be led away from temptation. God allows temptation to happen. In Eden, Adam
      and Eve were tempted. Satan was already on Earth before Man was created, God knew what would
      happen. He knew Satan would tempt them.

      Lastly, your statement above is patently ridiculous, to claim that the Holy Apostles needed the
      books we have today - based on their teachings directly, what are you talking about ? You worship
      the New Testament so much that you actually believe the Apostles needed the books ? How ridiculous.
      What books we have in the New Testament and in all Patrology are only those which survived the
      many persecutions and confiscations. They are sufficient, but they are incomplete.
      That's your opinion snowball ... if you want to think the pope and seaweed are correct, OK... you've provided no scripture to back the claims....I HAVE, so saying im wrong ...pretty meaningless, but carry on... death and hell a test, don't know to laugh or shake my head

      it's a ridiculous discussion ... im right, no im right, no you're wrong .... YOU ARE MAKING UP YOUR OWN god.. THE POPE IS IN CONSTANT ERROR.

      im done with the catholic stuff for a little while snowball .... pretty disgusted with the history of them, murderers, blood suckers, parasitic, liars, and most just confused because their daddy was catholic,

      ps broke up sentences like that are killer to read ... so, please work on that if you want me to read something in the future...oh yea, and Peter ain't the rock ...

      i thought this dude was



      No, it ain't peter and it ain't this guy ...

      its Jesus, that's who's the rock of the church ....sigh

      Last edited by brainfreeze; 03-01-17, 11:07 AM.
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      • Snowball
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        #3398
        No, it's not just "my opinion", and that's the whole point.
        You attempt to move away and bash Catholics, but all the original
        churches based on Apostolic authority and succession maintain the same,
        it is historical fact. The Greek orthodox, Russian orthodox, Ethiopians, Chaldeans
        and Syriacs, the Byzantines and Indians all say the same in regards to countering what you say.
        What you say cannot be found in Christianity until the masonic revolutions !
        You have fallen prey to the masonic, judaic and satanic schemes against the Church, it's
        authority and its right to temporal authority. That is why you are under the illusion that
        "separation of church and state" is a desirable condition for Christians to suffer, it is why
        you believe in only a "personal relationship" with Jesus Christ, not in the saving power which
        He directly conferred upon His Church.
        The Protestant rebellions were political, they involved the direct approval and support of anti-
        Catholic princes and heads of state who forced their people to change over. These secular
        leaders were also the grossest killers of witches, jews, and anyone they did not like.
        Then the masonic rebellions launched another massive assault against Christendom and its order
        which was a reflection of the order in Heaven itself, to a system of mammon idols, coarse self-
        interest, demonic materialism and the naked ambitions of state secular destruction which brought
        the terrible wars and has us at a point where we can destroy the entire planet.
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        • brainfreeze
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          #3399
          Originally posted by Snowball
          No, it's not just "my opinion", and that's the whole point.
          You attempt to move away and bash Catholics, but all the original
          churches based on Apostolic authority and succession maintain the same,
          it is historical fact. The Greek orthodox, Russian orthodox, Ethiopians, Chaldeans
          and Syriacs, the Byzantines and Indians all say the same in regards to countering what you say.
          What you say cannot be found in Christianity until the masonic revolutions !
          You have fallen prey to the masonic, judaic and satanic schemes against the Church, it's
          authority and its right to temporal authority. That is why you are under the illusion that
          "separation of church and state" is a desirable condition for Christians to suffer, it is why
          you believe in only a "personal relationship" with Jesus Christ, not in the saving power which
          He directly conferred upon His Church.
          The Protestant rebellions were political, they involved the direct approval and support of anti-
          Catholic princes and heads of state who forced their people to change over. These secular
          leaders were also the grossest killers of witches, jews, and anyone they did not like.
          Then the masonic rebellions launched another massive assault against Christendom and its order
          which was a reflection of the order in Heaven itself, to a system of mammon idols, coarse self-
          interest, demonic materialism and the naked ambitions of state secular destruction which brought
          the terrible wars and has us at a point where we can destroy the entire planet.
          lol... im done snowball, i guess peter didn't have a personal relationship with Jesus then... Peter would need the catholic church, but peter is the rock of the catholic church, uhhhh, wait ah minute?

          its simple, believe on Jesus and be saved ...and my discussion with seaweed was about " literally eating Jesus ", which i have provided scripture that Jesus was the Word, and His Blood is justification ... and with bob, again, i reference to scripture, it was a order not to eat there of, THEY WOULD DIE, dying isn't a test, because a test is something you learn from... WE ARENT GOING TO LEARN ANYTHING IN HELL

          i don't run from anything snowball, and my catholic bashing has been pronounce from the beginning ... you are making blank false statement about my belief (i learned nothing from masons lol), and i told you from the beginning ...I WAS NONE OF THEM but that i side with a baptist or non denom understanding.
          btw protestants agree with my understanding of that Jesus=Word of God


          so please don't spread lies saying " i believe some mason revolt ", i hope people study it out themselves.
          AND PLEASE WITH THE SENTENCES or is this something you can't help here? Phone?

          oh and scripture is very important snowball... did Jesus read from Old Testament, yay or nay? i believe so...
          Last edited by brainfreeze; 03-01-17, 12:24 PM.
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          • Snowball
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            #3400
            What's wrong with my sentences ?
            No, I don't use a phone to write.
            I didn't even learn to type until I was 30.
            It is a good thing that I've expressed some important underlying
            paradigms here, even if you reject them, others read for their own sakes.
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            • Seaweed
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              #3401
              snowball, well said
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              • brainfreeze
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                #3402
                Originally posted by brainfreeze
                And the martyrs ... These are people who gave their lives for the faith... The trust that they have in God, the faith that came through by hearing Gods almighty Words... They didn't die for some selfish agenda of gains, monetarily or land grabs, nay. Nothing of this world was their influence but to selflessly give their lives by stoning, crucifixion, burning at the stake, torture, and these types have been talked about all through time.



                one of my favorite stories is that of shadrach, meshach, and abednego. They wouldn't bow before false Gods, even at the rulers request ...more willing to go into a firey furnace ...

                https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...+3&version=KJV
                As you catholics high five your doctrine of death backed on pagan rituals, and mans speculation while putting aside scripture. People paid the ultimate price for the words i speak here...

                LEST WE FORGET

                Last edited by brainfreeze; 03-01-17, 06:00 PM.
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                • bobbywaves
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                  #3403
                  Originally posted by brainfreeze
                  im done snowball
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                  • Seaweed
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                    #3404
                    Brainfreeze is indoctrinated with anti-catholic lies he's been fed since youth. Sad to see.
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                    • Seaweed
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                      #3405
                      Paul talks about the Eucharist in 1 Corinthians 10:16-21 and 1 Corinthians 11:27-30. These passages show that Paul was Catholic in his belief.

                      Participating in what is real
                      Let’s start with 1 Corinthians 10:16-21. Paul makes it clear that when we partake of the Eucharist we partake of the body and blood of Jesus;

                      The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (v.16).
                      How could we be sharing in the body and blood of Jesus unless his body and blood were present? Paul underscores this truth in the subsequent verses when he draws a parallel between the Eucharist and pagan sacrifices:

                      [W]hat pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be partners with demons…You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons (v.20-21).

                      If communing with demons in pagan sacrifices implies that demons are really present, then communing with the body and blood of Jesus in the Eucharist implies that his body and blood are really present.

                      Paul’s reference to the “table of the Lord” (v.21) also implies the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. If pagans offer a real victim (not a symbol) on the “table of demons,” then how much more do Christians offer a real victim, Jesus, on the “table of the Lord”?

                      A Protestant may object that Paul refers to the Eucharist as “bread” and therefore can’t mean for the Eucharist literally to be Jesus’ body. But, just because Paul describes the Eucharist according to how it appears to his senses, it doesn’t follow the Eucharist is not Jesus.

                      Biblical writers commonly refer to things according to their appearance. Scholars call this phenomenological language. For example, angels are referred to as men (see Genesis 18:2, Tobit 5:2-4), and death is referred to as sleep (see Daniel 12:2). When Paul refers to the Eucharist as “bread” he is similarly using phenomenological language.

                      One should also remember that Catholics don’t deny that the Eucharist has a “symbolic” value. The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains that the sacraments “confer the grace they signify” (CCC 1127). The visible sign of bread signifies Jesus as our true food: “My flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed” (John 6:55). But the bread doesn’t just signify Jesus: it becomes Jesus. Therefore, Paul’s description of the Eucharist as “bread” doesn’t negate Christ’s real presence in the Eucharist.

                      Furthermore, three times in 1 Corinthians 11:27-30 Paul uses language that shows he believes the Eucharist is literally Jesus and not a mere symbol.
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                      • silverdollar444
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                        #3406
                        The world is pretty incredible, it's hard to imagine how it all came about without an outside intelligent force.
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                        • zert
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                          #3407
                          From what I have read so far protestant s dont get along with anybody.
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                          • maggiethebestdog
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                            #3408
                            Originally posted by silverdollar444
                            The world is pretty incredible, it's hard to imagine how it all came about without an outside intelligent force.
                            If you are retarded and don't know what factual scientific evidence is, then you might struggle with that concept.
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                            • bobbywaves
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                              #3409
                              Originally posted by zert
                              From what I have read so far protestant s dont get along with anybody.
                              Astute observation...It's no wonder the root word of Protestant is protest, that's all they seem to do.
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                              • BigDofBA
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                                • 09-30-09
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                                #3410
                                Originally posted by maggiethebestdog
                                If you are retarded and don't know what factual scientific evidence is, then you might struggle with that concept.
                                Lololol

                                True.
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                                • zert
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                                  • 09-22-09
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                                  #3411
                                  Originally posted by maggiethebestdog
                                  If you are retarded and don't know what factual scientific evidence is, then you might struggle with that concept.
                                  Scientists dont even agree on everything. So your point about being retarded and scientific evidence doesnt make much sense. Do scientists have the answer for everything? Just because man has a bunch theories does not prove there is no God.
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                                  • bobbywaves
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                                    #3412
                                    Here's some "factual scientific evidence" for you:

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                                    • maggiethebestdog
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                                      #3413
                                      Originally posted by zert
                                      Scientists dont even agree on everything. So your point about being retarded and scientific evidence doesnt make much sense. Do scientists have the answer for everything? Just because man has a bunch theories does not prove there is no God.
                                      Like I said, retarded. I also can't prove the Spaghetti Monster doesn't rule the universe. That theory has just as much factual evidence of any god, ZERO.
                                      Prove I am not the reincarnation of Charlie Chaplin. You can't. It is my burden to prove that I am if I make that claim. This all requires a 4th grade level of critical thinking and rational thought. Good luck with that.
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                                      • brainfreeze
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                                        #3414
                                        Originally posted by maggiethebestdog
                                        Like I said, retarded. I also can't prove the Spaghetti Monster doesn't rule the universe. That theory has just as much factual evidence of any god, ZERO.
                                        Prove I am not the reincarnation of Charlie Chaplin. You can't. It is my burden to prove that I am if I make that claim. This all requires a 4th grade level of critical thinking and rational thought. Good luck with that.
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                                        • maggiethebestdog
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                                          #3415
                                          Originally posted by brainfreeze
                                          Hard to argue that one. Logic trumps crazy all the time.
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                                          • b1slickguy
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                                            • 11-24-11
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                                            #3416
                                            Hey maggie, here's proof that the Spaghetti Monster exists.
                                            You'll need another chalkboard full of theoretical equations to prove he/she rules the universe, though.

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                                            • PittsburghPlayer
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                                              #3417
                                              Good Morning/Day/Evening,

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                                              First of all, I am just fukking with people - I am sorry and I will never be rude "in this thread" again.


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                                              Last edited by PittsburghPlayer; 03-04-17, 12:45 PM.
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                                              • bobbywaves
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                                                #3418
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                                                • billyloco
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                                                  #3419
                                                  excellent!!
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                                                  • BigDofBA
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                                                    #3420
                                                    Originally posted by maggiethebestdog
                                                    Hard to argue that one. Logic trumps crazy all the time.
                                                    You can't have a logical conversation with religious people because they base everything off of faith.

                                                    Faith is believing without evidence.
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                                                    • Itsamazing777
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                                                      • 11-14-12
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                                                      #3421
                                                      There's plenty of scientific evidence as well. People just choose to ignore it
                                                      Shroud of Turin etc etc.....
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                                                      • BigDofBA
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                                                        #3422
                                                        Religious people need to quit quoting the Bible to prove their point. It's circular logic.

                                                        You can't prove the Bible by quoting the Bible.

                                                        You can't prove the Quran by quoting the Quran.

                                                        You can't prove the Torah by quoting the Torah.

                                                        Get it yet? I understand the basis for your beliefs and religion comes from whatever religious book you chose to believe based on where you were born and what you were Born into; however, it's not valid for the sake of argument or debate....to us atheist anyway.

                                                        I'm not saying to quit debating, arguing, or discussing because it's fun. I'm just saying to bring something better to the table or use better tactics.

                                                        Looking up a verse on the internet and copying and pasting it doesn't really prove anything.

                                                        Christians often tell me Jesus loves me because the Bible says so. Well, the Quran says Allah loves people to. That proves nothing.

                                                        I'm sure I'm probably not making sense to most of you but I thought I would throw it out there. I mean, I guess I could quote something from any other holy book to make a non-point too....
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                                                        • maggiethebestdog
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                                                          #3423
                                                          Originally posted by Itsamazing777
                                                          There's plenty of scientific evidence as well. People just choose to ignore it
                                                          Shroud of Turin etc etc.....
                                                          How could anyone be so clueless
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                                                          • BigDofBA
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                                                            #3424
                                                            Originally posted by maggiethebestdog
                                                            How could anyone be so clueless
                                                            Just like Noah's Ark....

                                                            Oh wait, we don't find Kangaroos and Penguins all of the world. Nor do we find their fossils in route to the continents they settled on from where the Bible tries to explain the Ark landed. Hell, we don't even find the Ark.

                                                            The Bible says the Earth is only a few thousand years old yet we have fossils that are millions of years old.

                                                            Ughhh. This ass backwards way of thinking really holds humanity back.

                                                            When you wake up tomorrow walk outside and look around. Do you see people walking on water, living in whales, or living to be 900 years old? Do you hear God speaking from the heavens? Do you see any supernatural shit?

                                                            If this fictional story was true it would be very evident to people that understand science or are skeptical because the world would look totally different.
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                                                            • bobbywaves
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                                                              #3425
                                                              Originally posted by BigDofBA
                                                              Hell, we don't even find the Ark.
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                                                              • BigDofBA
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                                                                #3426
                                                                Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                                                Lol. Come on man. That's not real evidence.

                                                                Apprently the Ark "has been found" 100s of times in all different locations yet no one can confirm any of them.

                                                                Of course relgious nuts are going to believe anything they find is the Ark.

                                                                This girl thought she was pregnant with Jesus despot a doctor doing an ultrasound that showed she wasn't pregnant.

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                                                                If you take a step back and remove yourself from religion the things people believe are very outlandish...in my opinion.
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                                                                • BigDofBA
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                                                                  #3427
                                                                  Since we're copying and pasting articles/videos that favor our positions, check this out....it's from CNN, not some Christian website.



                                                                  The evidence against Jesus' existence. Those who argue against Jesus' existence make some of these points:

                                                                  The uncanny parallels between pagan stories in the ancient world and the stories of Jesus.

                                                                  No credible sources outside the Bible say Jesus existed.

                                                                  The Apostle Paul never referred to a historical Jesus.
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                                                                  • PittsburghPlayer
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                                                                    #3428
                                                                    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZVXIfIPyf_c?ecver=1" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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                                                                    • maggiethebestdog
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                                                                      #3429
                                                                      I think there are plenty of differences of opinion on God. I think one thing we can all agree on is if you eat meat on Fridays during lent you are a piece of human garbage.
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                                                                      • bobbywaves
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                                                                        #3430
                                                                        Originally posted by maggiethebestdog
                                                                        I think one thing we can all agree on is if you eat meat on Fridays during lent you are a piece of human garbage.
                                                                        True, but why would atheists agree?
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