GOD

[rkelly110]

How do you know there is one? You don't.

And you ain't never gonna know until it's all over for you.

Some people feel him, some people don't. It's all wiring in my opinion.

Just watch a 4 year old die from cancer the suffering of the child and his family. Then tell me you believe. I watched my 4 year old neighbor and his family go through that. No God I could ever believe would put anyone through that, let alone good people.

It's all a fairy tale to alleviate the fear that eventually you die and that will be it. A hundred years after your death it will be like you never existed. That fact helps push many people towards God.

And if you believe, good for you. If it gives you comfort, that's fine. I ain't judging. I'm married to a believer, remember. And, I encourage her in her beliefs. And she isn't a hateful, they are sinners type (and neither is her church or I would never let my kids go).

Bottom line, God won't help you here.

The lord works in mysterious ways.

That 4 yo dying of cancer could've been put on this earth for that family to learn/ feel the pain of grief or love.
That child could've been brought here to also advance the research for her cancer.

Everyone or thing has a purpose on this planet. From learning from an experience, to being the teacher or maybe
sending someone back to the other side. When your job here is done, you're done.

If you stop and think of the bad things that happen to good people of what good could possibly come of it,
puts life in a different perspective.

[rkelly110]

I remember being 12 years old when i realized religion was a coping mechanism...Ill never forget the day I explained this to my brother who felt the same way but at the time he didnt have the confidence to initiate the conversation. It was that day that our lives began a new chapter. It was on that day that we both felt free. We began to see people who were not honest with themselves and would hide behind their spirituality, like the pastor at our church taking trips to jamaica while others at the church were struggling. We could see right though the curtain which so many hide behind.

One day it will be considered a mental illness.

I was made to go to church also. In my teens I saw the hypocricy of those who went there.

Business people going only to further their business, only going during religious holidays, the pastor himself preaching
against adultery while committing it himself. Going to get their freak on.

Most like my parents, like the social aspect of church going. Making life long friends and always having something to do.

You have your good and bad about religion. Most, you get what you want out of it, or not.

Haven't been back since. I worship the lord in my own way, not only on one day.

[bigtymer56]

The lord works in mysterious ways.

That 4 yo dying of cancer could've been put on this earth for that family to learn/ feel the pain of grief or love.
That child could've been brought here to also advance the research for her cancer.

Everyone or thing has a purpose on this planet. From learning from an experience, to being the teacher or maybe
sending someone back to the other side. When your job here is done, you're done.

If you stop and think of the bad things that happen to good people of what good could possibly come of it,
puts life in a different perspective.

That's what you hope.

This falls under the point Bonehead is making. It's (understandably) hard for people to entertain the idea that maybe their lives don't actually matter in the long run and this all random and pointless.

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I remember being 12 years old when i realized religion was a coping mechanism...

Shrugs, ok then... thanks for passing by

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That's what you hope.

This falls under the point Bonehead is making. It's (understandably) hard for people to entertain the idea that maybe their lives don't actually matter in the long run and this all random and pointless.

says a guy that's bounded by laws on earth suspended in a very calculated place in the universe. Everything has its reasons and place. Things seem random until conscience that it's not.

only thing random is the will of a mans heart...and what's of value in said heart.

[brainfreeze]

The lord works in mysterious ways.

That 4 yo dying of cancer could've been put on this earth for that family to learn/ feel the pain of grief or love.
That child could've been brought here to also advance the research for her cancer.

Everyone or thing has a purpose on this planet. From learning from an experience, to being the teacher or maybe
sending someone back to the other side. When your job here is done, you're done.

If you stop and think of the bad things that happen to good people of what good could possibly come of it,
puts life in a different perspective.

amen ...

I was made to go to church also. In my teens I saw the hypocricy of those who went there.

Business people going only to further their business, only going during religious holidays, the pastor himself preaching
against adultery while committing it himself. Going to get their freak on.

Most like my parents, like the social aspect of church going. Making life long friends and always having something to do.

You have your good and bad about religion. Most, you get what you want out of it, or not.

Haven't been back since. I worship the lord in my own way, not only on one day.

That's good rkelly ... it's also good to try new things, go to a new church (with sound doctrine). Meet new friends, people that better represent God, or searching for Him, though we are all flawed and broken... God makes a way of fixing us

There's a lot of people and a world out side that begs for understanding ...

God bless rkelly!

[GUMMO77]

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

Shrugs, ok then... thanks for passing by

Im not saying believing in a god is 100% bad, for some people their religious beliefs keep them out of a potentially worse situation. But its only covering up other underlying issues imo, as well as being used to exploit through guilt and promises of an afterlife.

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

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Im not saying believing in a god is 100% bad, for some people their religious beliefs keep them out of a potentially worse situation. But its only covering up other underlying issues imo, as well as being used to exploit through guilt and promises of an afterlife.

well, i wish i could say the same but not believing IS a 100% bad, you are able and have the ability to seek it allll out for yourself, use whatever ability YOU have necessary to help you understand there is ORDER .You should go research the ancient Hebrew and watch the precise math that it precisely equates. Try reading the prophecies and watching them unfold. The history that matches and the genealogy that's documented. Your neighbors and friends testimonys. Pour your soul into wanting to LEARN about God. Learn about the Holy Spirit, learn those Words (scripture) If you go into it with doubt and the perspective of this is all just a dream fairy tale, you will never get any where...

You should start in looking at the scriptures and later God can show you many many other things...

its amazing, i don't have words for it, and i remember people telling me about it when i wasn't christian. Now I understand and am over joyed to FINALLY understand... so much so that i will sit here through all the crap and tell you about it

you don't have to believe or even try to believe. you don't have to care, understand, or entertain the idea at all ... thats the thing about free will, you have that choice... c.s. lewis found a way, i'm sure you can to, love to you nrmlcurvsurfr

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after reading scripture, praying, and studying ... i would encourage videos of the like, and from people of like sources...

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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxiEtqPja47nnqsJNrdOIQQ

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Today's my bday .. made 33. The devil has been seeking to destroy me but all he's gotten thus far is ....

backfire... HAHA

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Ephesians 6:

9And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.
10Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

19And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, 20For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.




We all live on this planet. There's a lot of old wounds and spirits looking to divide an America that's getting healthier. i understand wanting a place of identity that people can be proud of. We have to remember we aren't the only ones in the world that live in a undesirable circumstance. Look at n.korea to s.korea, problems. The Jews still look for peace amongst people who won't accept it. There's others with older wounds then our own that haven't had much peace.

There's still slaves on the other side of the world. Sin does this. Yet we are all slaves at the end of the day... im a slave to Christ bought by the blood of The Lamb. i try that my works follow the Spirit that was given to me. So, we are all servants one way or another and our works will show who are master is.

So... me personally, i identify as Christian, and my spirit is colorless. Find the Spirit my black and white people, so these demons will depart from us and we can grow into a beautiful ...REALLY great country!!


God bless

[Snowball]

Im not saying believing in a god is 100% bad, for some people their religious beliefs keep them out of a potentially worse situation. But its only covering up other underlying issues imo, as well as being used to exploit through guilt and promises of an afterlife.

wipe the scales from your eyes

[Nitrogen]

That 4 yo dying of cancer could've been put on this earth for that family to learn/ feel the pain of grief or love.

Or that the great great grandparents were assholes and the sin is carried 3 generations.
Or the 4 year old was a oyster in another life and was being punished
Or that the creator of the universe knew the child would be murdered at 5, so they were acting graceful by killing them before.

Postulating un-provable or un-testable ideas to satisfy the need to quantify easily the complicated is fun. It's also incredibly dumb.

If every action and fate is already set by purpose, why do you bet on sports or argue about politics? If you hate Trump, isn't he just fulfilling his destiny?

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Another one... educated, has the Spirit .... knows what he's talking about.

God bless

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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/352016-trump-southern-border-wall-is-going-to-be-see-through

They say trumps wall is going up ... good, it will be see through?

There's gates in the heavens as well ... Rev. 21:12

[Nitrogen]

They say trumps wall is going up ... good, it will be see through?

Sounds like a window.

That's why heaven has gates? To keep the mexicans out?

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Sounds like a window.

That's why heaven has gates? To keep the mexicans out?

no, the things on earth are but a counterfeit of what's in heaven. The most authentic source we have to God is love. His authentic love is unmatched and past humans thought, deed, and ability.

He loves all people. He gave His only son that for anyone in the world that believe in Him shall not die. There has always been gates though,(i'd imagine since the angels in heaven have been warring) even earth. The garden of eden, Adam and Eve were cast out. There was a perimeter established that they were no longer permitted to be, away from the tree of life.

we have to go about things the right way to be accepted by God and to be named in the Book Of Life. We don't just get to hop a fence and be labeled citizens of heaven. Doesn't work like that..

Through faith, we receive gifts. Gifts of salvation, gifts of grace, and the Holy Spirit we receive transforms us and we do works and do not live as the broken people we once were. Our eyes have been opened, the sleepers have began to awake. The heart and mind with will of man live to bring forth the good things of God and His fruitful Holy Spirit.

so those not written in the Book of Life and the angels that stand with lucifer is who imagine these gates are for, symbolic even.

[rkelly110]

Or that the great great grandparents were assholes and the sin is carried 3 generations.
Or the 4 year old was a oyster in another life and was being punished
Or that the creator of the universe knew the child would be murdered at 5, so they were acting graceful by killing them before.

Postulating un-provable or un-testable ideas to satisfy the need to quantify easily the complicated is fun. It's also incredibly dumb.

If every action and fate is already set by purpose, why do you bet on sports or argue about politics? If you hate Trump, isn't he just fulfilling his destiny?

Sorry I missed your post.

All good possibilities. A 1/2 glass full/ empty possibility.

As you stated above, quantifying the complicated is fun. Don't know why it's dumb.

Arguing politics, as you know, is also fun. It's fun watching their heads explode defending a buffoon. You are right, Trump is fulfilling a destiny to destroy the country as we know it. We have been in power way too long. We will go down like Rome.

[BigDofBA]

If God is real and praying works, then why do people pray after tragedy strikes?

For example, why do people pray for the "victims" of hurricanes?

Why not just pray for "no more" Hurricanes?

This is one of the many reasons I have as to why God does not exist.

Being raised in a religious home and being forced to goto church brainwashes people into not even questioning it or thinking about it. The idea of hell scares people and makes them afraid to even try to think on their own. Religion is a great tool of mind control....

Anyway, If everyone in the world prayed to God tonight and asked him to stop all hurricanes, we would still have hurricanes that cause mass distriction, kill, and cost people their lives.

The obvious reason? God does not exist and prayer does not work.

Just because you were born into Christianity in America doesn't mean your specific religion is right. Nor does being born in the Middle East validate Islam.

All sorts of people all over the world believe in different gods and religions and all of these people are so blind to think the religion they were born into is true....all these people live their lives in fear wondering if God is real and worship this imaginary man in the sky. People feel guilty to even question this non-sense. It's quite sad really.

To believe in a book that talks about talking snakes, parting oceans, and 900 year old people....wtf. If even if this was true you would see it today but you don't. Funny how that works...we invent the camera and all this magic suddenly stops.

[Nitrogen]

He loves all people. He gave His only son that for anyone in the world that believe in Him shall not die. .

Omnipotent, but can only have 1 kid.

[Snowball]

If God is real and praying works, then why do people pray after tragedy strikes?
For example, why do people pray for the "victims" of hurricanes?

for their souls.. and those living affected by loss.

To believe in a book that talks about talking snakes, parting oceans, and 900 year old people....wtf. If even if this was true you would see it today but you don't. Funny how that works...we invent the camera and all this magic suddenly stops.

here are just a few

http://www.miraclehunter.com/miracles/

[terpkeg]

Not sure about "God" but ever since I went down the tunnel on the left, I feel like the spirit exists inside me.

[bigtymer56]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/09/28/3-year-old-girl-nepal-new-living-goddess/711948001/

Interesting. My question is what happens to previous living goddess? That's got be awkward as hell. Do they just send them back to original family?

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My thoughts and prayers go out to anyone effected by this terrible event in vegas.

Horrible

[brainfreeze]

Omnipotent, but can only have 1 kid.

He had one Son for one purpose. He is our Savior. The Lamb of God. He always was with God. He was prophesied about through time. He came down birthed a God/Man of virgin Mary. He lives His purpose (sacrificed His life in flesh for us and has risen). The Stories there nitro, you should read it more. He's the beginning of the whole story and will be the end of it.

[Nitrogen]

He had one Son for one purpose. He is our Savior. The Lamb of God. He always was with God. He was prophesied about through time. He came down birthed a God/Man of virgin Mary. He lives His purpose (sacrificed His life in flesh for us and has risen). The Stories there nitro, you should read it more. He's the beginning of the whole story and will be the end of it.

I've read the story. Everyone dies in the end except Horatio. Wait, wrong made up story.

[BigDofBA]

I know a lot of people have good intentions when they log into Facebook and say "Thoughts and prayers to (insert tragedy here)" so I mean no disrespect but what exactly does that mean you're doing?

Are you talking to God? Are you actually helping the victims? If you're talking to God, what are you saying to him exactly because this stuff keeps happening.?

To me, helping is donating money to a gofundme account or giving blood....doing something tangible. If I log into Facebook and tell everyone I'm sending my prayers, all I'm essentially doing is saying I'm sympathetic to the victims which should be obvious and then I log off and go about my life.

Pray for Nice
Pray for Orlando
Pray for San Bernadino
Pray for Las Vegas

Pray for Houston
Pray for Florida
Pray for Puerto Rico

So again I ask, people keep saying they're praying on Facebook but tragedies keep happening. So this leads me to a few conlcusions.

1.) People aren't really praying at all. They're just posting on social media because it seems like the correct thing to do.
2.) People are praying to God and God isn't doing anything.
3.) People are doing both options I just listed but God doesn't exist and these things will continue to happen.

I'm going to go with option three. My thoughts are with the families and victims but theire loved ones aren't coming back no matter how much we pray. The pain they're suffering isn't going away no matter how much we post on social media that we are praying.

The world is a horrible place. I wish people could advance and learn to get along instead of doing all of this. We need to quit relying on (insert your religion here) and focus on mankind.

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2.) People are praying to God and God isn't doing anything.
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If it wasn't for God, it would be complete chaos all the time. It is God that we are allowed our lives and the desires and goals there of.

And yes, people pray for the wounded. People pray for those inflicted with this event. People pray for the deceased and their families. Christians pray to tell God their will for the families affected. We send our prayers that His children are heard on the matter. We send them that angels be in pursuit to ever so gently help them heal from this act of evil. We pray that this demonic spirit that aided this guy be casted away. We pray that crutches of addiction and gambling strongholds be casted out of people.

We pray and Gods ALWAYS there... helping us pick up the pieces in this dysfunctional world. He's in all of His believers. They know to pray in times as these. Doesn't speak for everyone saying " prayers " go out, they could be praying to a moose idk ..

[BigDofBA]

If it wasn't for God, it would be complete chaos all the time.

I just can't buy this. The world is in chaos at all times. Hurricanes, mass shootings, death, disease and destruction. Just because "most' of us are fine here in a America, it doesn't mean there isn't suffering all over this world. Children die every minute on Earth.

You're essentially saying that God prevents evil "most" of the time. Why doesn't he just prevent it all the time?

Look man, I know you're a good dude and when you say that you send prayers you probably really do and you think it helps. Kudos to you.

I'm just saying that its become redundant for people to log into Facebook now and say that they're sending
prayers when I know damn well these people aren't religious, don't know anything about the Bible, and probably aren't even praying.

I just want to know what the hell sending a prayer does? It doesn't bring back a dead loved one.

Jason Aldean's wife said they were safe because they had Angels looking over them...WTF!!! 59 people have died and counting. Where were their Angels? This is my issue with some of this.

[Nitrogen]

Prayers are the original hashtag campaigns.

And less effective.

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Jason Aldean's wife said they were safe because they had Angels looking over them...WTF!!! 59 people have died and counting. Where were their Angels? This is my issue with some of this.

i can't answer that d .. we trouble ourselves with these thoughts. I don't know if some of them are being welcomed into heaven. I don't know who is sent to sleep for judgement or what dimension people go. As I said a bunch of times. I'm familiar enough with God to trust Him. When the Bible says " not to lean on my own understanding ". I don't, because I believe Him.


and yea I don't judge people's walk. I just follow Jesus. It shouldnt be a subject of concern if people say " prayers " or something. We just don't know... God may be amongst them.

[rkelly110]

The shooting in Vegas reminds me of a bible story? God wanted to destroy a city because of their ungodliness and an
angel said, if I can find one person who is loyal to you, will you spare the city? God said yes. The angel found hundreds
and the city was spared. Or to some effect.

Relating to the vegas shooting, in my own weird way, I'm comparing the bible story to vegas. Was God wanting to see
if we humans would care for one another during the worst mass shooting in our history? Would he destroy us if we only
cared for ourselves?

As we saw, mostly everyone, not paid cops or emergency personnel, cared for one another beyond anyone's expectations.

Sorta makes you wonder. We were spared massive solar flairs recently and huge asteroids, some we saw others we didn't.