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  • firedawg
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 10-08-08
    • 39219

    #176
    Originally posted by High3rEl3m3nt
    For someone who says they have never been involved with pinny's tout service, their actions sure as hell don't support it.

    Fire: lobbies hard to get pinny back. First to jump in and defend pinny over the teaser fiasco and then later apologizes for acting before thinking. I bust pinny some more and fire emails me an ungodly number of times and asks me to please leave the tout alone. Pinny admits that there have been some financial transactions between them. Fire says that they aren't related to the tout service--then what were they related to...you needed a personal loan bigshot? Fire first in line again to defend pinny when everyone but the nation and fire sees that pinny was in the wrong.

    Actions speak louder than words.
    Ill make it easier........ prove I have anything to do with a tout service ill leave for life.... if you cant you leave for a year...
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    • High3rEl3m3nt
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 09-28-10
      • 8022

      #177
      check again...most are "saints." Also check the "best of Sbr," which could help noobs...with link to SBR--i do not make one cent. Currently, it is very popular:

      Ganchrow "The Gambling Saint." Ganchrow created many tools for SBR, including an
      excel template chalk full of useful gambling functions (note: this is not an Excel sheet).
      Ganchrow also took the time to write very detailed articles, such as his two part series on
      the Kelly Criterion.


      Simple VBA Sports Betting Functions Template for Excel

      A Quantitative Introduction to the Kelly Criterion (pt.1) (pt.2)

      An Introduction to Expectations and Theoretical Hold

      An Introduction to Betting Lines and Percentages

      Market Efficienty and Bayesian Probability Estimation via the Beta Distribution
      Overbets and Line Changes--A Kelly Excel Sheet
      Using Kelly to Determine Optimal Hedging Strategy
      A Better Way to Measure Handicapper Success

      Wrecktangle Opens a Discussion on Kelly Criterion
      Kelly is not a good BR management system

      Justin7 Offers a Few Pointers on a NBA Model
      http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicappe...-building.html

      Data and Justin7 Discussion

      http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicappe...-question.html

      Data vs. Data. vs. Justin7: A Discussion Blooms

      http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicappe...-modeling.html

      Soccer 3 Way Lines Discussion: How to Calculate a Book's Edge

      http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicappe...cer-lines.html
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      • SamDiamond
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 10-19-12
        • 6107

        #178
        I'm not taking sides-- but fuk man-- Dawg went hard for Pinny to get back on here.

        Shari pretty much spelled it out for him that Pinny was creating a client base.

        And Dawg's reaction, "why do you guys even care?"

        It's odd- and makes absolutely no fuking sense. Dawg sells SBR on the idea that all Pinny wants to do is post among buddies----and either Pinny blatantly lied to Dawg about his intentions, or Dawg knew what the game was.
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        • High3rEl3m3nt
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 09-28-10
          • 8022

          #179
          Originally posted by firedawg
          Ill make it easier........ prove I have anything to do with a tout service ill leave for life.... if you cant you leave for a year...
          Why prove...I'll just continue to let your actions do all the proving that's needed. Do you know how many times you emailed me over pinny? Take a guess..
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          • jjgold
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 07-20-05
            • 388179

            #180
            I was sleeping when this all went down, I am anti tout, I have talked to Pinny here and there but he never talks about his service. I have no idea nor do I care. If he did not do anything he will be back , it might of been a (32-SD) ban..fighting with other posters. I have to make some calls later. Dawg is no tout, he is just a solid poster and a friend of Pinny.
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            • firedawg
              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
              • 10-08-08
              • 39219

              #181
              Originally posted by High3rEl3m3nt
              Why prove...I'll just continue to let your actions do all the proving that's needed. Do you know how many times you emailed me over pinny? Take a guess..
              like I said you cant prove something that is not true... take care jr
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              • firedawg
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 10-08-08
                • 39219

                #182
                Originally posted by jjgold
                I was sleeping when this all went down, I am anti tout, I have talked to Pinny here and there but he never talks about his service. I have no idea nor do I care. If he did not do anything he will be back , it might of been a (32-SD) ban..fighting with other posters. I have to make some calls later. Dawg is no tout, he is just a solid poster and a friend of Pinny.
                jj knows
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                • High3rEl3m3nt
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 09-28-10
                  • 8022

                  #183
                  Originally posted by High3rEl3m3nt
                  check again...most are "saints." Also check the "best of Sbr," which could help noobs...with link to SBR--i do not make one cent. Currently, it is very popular:

                  Ganchrow "The Gambling Saint." Ganchrow created many tools for SBR, including an
                  excel template chalk full of useful gambling functions (note: this is not an Excel sheet).
                  Ganchrow also took the time to write very detailed articles, such as his two part series on
                  the Kelly Criterion.


                  Simple VBA Sports Betting Functions Template for Excel

                  A Quantitative Introduction to the Kelly Criterion (pt.1) (pt.2)

                  An Introduction to Expectations and Theoretical Hold

                  An Introduction to Betting Lines and Percentages

                  Market Efficienty and Bayesian Probability Estimation via the Beta Distribution
                  Overbets and Line Changes--A Kelly Excel Sheet
                  Using Kelly to Determine Optimal Hedging Strategy
                  A Better Way to Measure Handicapper Success

                  Wrecktangle Opens a Discussion on Kelly Criterion
                  Kelly is not a good BR management system

                  Justin7 Offers a Few Pointers on a NBA Model
                  http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicappe...-building.html

                  Data and Justin7 Discussion

                  http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicappe...-question.html

                  Data vs. Data. vs. Justin7: A Discussion Blooms

                  http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicappe...-modeling.html

                  Soccer 3 Way Lines Discussion: How to Calculate a Book's Edge

                  http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicappe...cer-lines.html
                  SBR should create a best of links to threads for new posters. This is a good idea...having it on SBR would do more good.
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                  • firedawg
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 10-08-08
                    • 39219

                    #184
                    Originally posted by High3rEl3m3nt
                    Why prove...I'll just continue to let your actions do all the proving that's needed. Do you know how many times you emailed me over pinny? Take a guess..
                    like I said.... I did not agree with everything he did.... how many time do I have to say it? you seem smart enough, but I don't know.... either way.. I gave you two offers.... if not addios
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                    • opie1988
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 09-12-10
                      • 23429

                      #185
                      Word on the street is that Pinny told Lou to suck his dikk.

                      I think we all know that doesn't usually end well.
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                      • thunderous
                        SBR MVP
                        • 06-05-12
                        • 1870

                        #186
                        Originally posted by High3rEl3m3nt
                        check again...most are "saints." Also check the "best of Sbr," which could help noobs...with link to SBR--i do not make one cent. Currently, it is very popular:

                        Ganchrow "The Gambling Saint." Ganchrow created many tools for SBR, including an
                        excel template chalk full of useful gambling functions (note: this is not an Excel sheet).
                        Ganchrow also took the time to write very detailed articles, such as his two part series on
                        the Kelly Criterion.


                        Simple VBA Sports Betting Functions Template for Excel

                        A Quantitative Introduction to the Kelly Criterion (pt.1) (pt.2)

                        An Introduction to Expectations and Theoretical Hold

                        An Introduction to Betting Lines and Percentages

                        Market Efficienty and Bayesian Probability Estimation via the Beta Distribution
                        Overbets and Line Changes--A Kelly Excel Sheet
                        Using Kelly to Determine Optimal Hedging Strategy
                        A Better Way to Measure Handicapper Success

                        Wrecktangle Opens a Discussion on Kelly Criterion
                        Kelly is not a good BR management system

                        Justin7 Offers a Few Pointers on a NBA Model
                        http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicappe...-building.html

                        Data and Justin7 Discussion

                        http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicappe...-question.html

                        Data vs. Data. vs. Justin7: A Discussion Blooms

                        http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicappe...-modeling.html

                        Soccer 3 Way Lines Discussion: How to Calculate a Book's Edge

                        http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicappe...cer-lines.html

                        What about the advisors? I don't wanna names here but you are tracking touts on your website!!

                        Do you want me to link it from your sorry little website?
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                        • Russian Rocket
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 09-02-12
                          • 43910

                          #187
                          Originally posted by thunderous
                          Have you been on his website? more than half of them (when I checked once months ago) were touts.
                          He is the one encouraging and validating touts...I think he has no right to say he wants touts off of SBR
                          yeah I've seen his site...he tracks good and bad people over there...quiet frankly it's his site and he can do whatever he wants on it, but in terms of his actions here, I've seen nothing but good from him at SBR. Now I'm not saying that accusing Dawg of being a tout without cold hard facts is a good thing. It's not acceptable at all and this whole thing could of been handled a little differently.
                          Dawger defended Pinny and it raised some eyebrows. But I personally think Dawger's actions were nothing more than trying to protect his e-pal from getting banned.
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                          • Swinging Johnson
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 08-12-09
                            • 7604

                            #188
                            Shari's back! Shari, I understand that we must mind our P's and Q's. But maybe there's something in between an infraction. For instance, if I were to, ohhhh let's say, call you out on some fashion faux pas like that revolting butternut chartreuse nail polish you flaunt to that deep mauve lipstick that went out with the flood you're so fond of.

                            No that unto itself would not constitute an infraction but perhaps a spanking would be in order? Bottoms up!
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                            • High3rEl3m3nt
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 09-28-10
                              • 8022

                              #189
                              Originally posted by thunderous
                              What about the advisors? I don't wanna names here but you are tracking touts on your website!!

                              Do you want me to link it from your sorry little website?
                              I track touts and saints. I am not hiding behind this.
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                              • shari91
                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                • 02-23-10
                                • 32661

                                #190
                                Originally posted by SamDiamond
                                I'm not taking sides-- but fuk man-- Dawg went hard for Pinny to get back on here.

                                Shari pretty much spelled it out for him that Pinny was creating a client base.

                                And Dawg's reaction, "why do you guys even care?"

                                It's odd- and makes absolutely no fuking sense. Dawg sells SBR on the idea that all Pinny wants to do is post among buddies----and either Pinny blatantly lied to Dawg about his intentions, or Dawg knew what the game was.
                                Something's off for sure. But at this point I have no reason to believe what I see as I haven't had the chance to go dig deeper yet. This is NOT the firedawg I thought I knew. Never. Which is cool as essentially we're all strangers on here for the most part other than those of us who have met face to face. But there's definitely more to this than what I'm seeing right now. Sucks having to play catch up and trawl through posts and correspondence after the fact as I feel so behind. But firedawg knows how SBR works. If he was messing around, I think he's actually honourable enough to leave on his own before it's uncovered. If not, then I assume it'll all be cool.
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                                • Dollars2Donuts
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 02-07-13
                                  • 8803

                                  #191
                                  Originally posted by thunderous
                                  What about the advisors? I don't wanna names here but you are tracking touts on your website!!

                                  Do you want me to link it from your sorry little website?
                                  Done as a third party, unbiased tracking system. Tracking does not mean flogging.

                                  It is quite obvious that he is providing a service to people at no personal gain to himself.

                                  Just because you keep track of what a politician does, doesn't mean you are campaigning for him....just because you post that the Pittsburgh Pens are first in the East doesn't mean you are saying you love them and just because you post somebodies record doesn't mean that you are encouraging anyone to use them.

                                  And frankly for me....it makes life easier than ever.
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                                  • Sam Odom
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 10-30-05
                                    • 58063

                                    #192
                                    Wow... Leave it to Shari
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                                    • Ber304
                                      SBR Rookie
                                      • 09-02-10
                                      • 9

                                      #193
                                      Higher all you try to do is turn speculation into facts by twisting peoples words around. You're nothing but a plague to this forum.
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                                      • Dollars2Donuts
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 02-07-13
                                        • 8803

                                        #194
                                        Originally posted by Ber304
                                        Higher all you try to do is turn speculation into facts by twisting peoples words around. You're nothing but a plague to this forum.
                                        Lol. And another ghost rears it's ugly head.
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                                        • Russian Rocket
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 09-02-12
                                          • 43910

                                          #195
                                          Originally posted by Dollars2Donuts
                                          Lol. And another ghost rears it's ugly head.
                                          ghosting since 2010
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                                          • SamDiamond
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 10-19-12
                                            • 6107

                                            #196
                                            Originally posted by Ber304
                                            Higher all you try to do is turn speculation into facts by twisting peoples words around. You're nothing but a plague to this forum.
                                            Look at this guy....

                                            6 posts-- 5 of them in Pinny's thread-- the other here trashing Higher.

                                            Be smarter people.
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                                            • Sam Odom
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 10-30-05
                                              • 58063

                                              #197
                                              Originally posted by Russian Rocket

                                              ghosting since 2010

                                              General info... Admin/Mods/Paid Posters all have several Nics/Handles. Some lay dormant some are used daily -- Just the way it is
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                                              • thunderous
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 06-05-12
                                                • 1870

                                                #198
                                                Originally posted by Dollars2Donuts
                                                Done as a third party, unbiased tracking system. Tracking does not mean flogging.

                                                It is quite obvious that he is providing a service to people at no personal gain to himself.

                                                Just because you keep track of what a politician does, doesn't mean you are campaigning for him....just because you post that the Pittsburgh Pens are first in the East doesn't mean you are saying you love them and just because you post somebodies record doesn't mean that you are encouraging anyone to use them.

                                                And frankly for me....it makes life easier than ever.
                                                No one does anything for free Sure he tracks "saints" like you but he also tracks touts and their "private plays".
                                                And then he comes here on and says he wants this or this poster to be banned because they are touts??


                                                think about it why would someone create a website and then go through all the hard work of tracking plays, lines, time stamps etc for free?

                                                He might claim its a free service but it's not....
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                                                • jjgold
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 07-20-05
                                                  • 388179

                                                  #199
                                                  Forum business is ugly at times
                                                  Lots of research is going on behind the scenes

                                                  Dawg just post and do your thing

                                                  Leave the forum business to the administrators
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                                                  • shari91
                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                    • 02-23-10
                                                    • 32661

                                                    #200
                                                    Originally posted by Dollars2Donuts
                                                    Lol. And another ghost rears it's ugly head.
                                                    I actually think it's someone who has shelled out for those picks. Just based on his posting history alone. If it's a ghost of Pinny it's a rather sad one.

                                                    And so when people come running back to SBR begging for their membership fee and/or losses back as they do every. single. f'n. time a tout manages to sneak through on here... I hope people understand when SBR says sorry but you're out of luck. Every damn time people come begging for help recovering their cash - some even fill out the proper SBR Sportsbook complaint forms - and it's like wtf did you expect? The people who pay for these packages have no concept of how touts work or more importantly, variance. So when their dude who was on a 18-2 streak and convinced them to spend $200 on a package suddenly starts to lose, they believe SBR can somehow get their money back. One of a multitude of reasons why that rubbish isn't allowed here.
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                                                    • Russian Rocket
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 09-02-12
                                                      • 43910

                                                      #201
                                                      Originally posted by Sam Odom
                                                      General info... Admin/Mods/Paid Posters all have several Nics/Handles. Some lay dormant some are used daily -- Just the way it is
                                                      Sammy do you think I was born yesterday? Looking for an honest answer here
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                                                      • Sam Odom
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 10-30-05
                                                        • 58063

                                                        #202
                                                        Originally posted by Russian Rocket

                                                        Sammy do you think I was born yesterday?

                                                        Your 'Join Date' = 09-02-12
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                                                        • firedawg
                                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                          • 10-08-08
                                                          • 39219

                                                          #203
                                                          how can I be a paid posterjj?
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                                                          • Dollars2Donuts
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 02-07-13
                                                            • 8803

                                                            #204
                                                            Wow. I had no idea people asked SBR to try and recover money they paid to touts. Lol. That's insane.

                                                            A few years ago I made the mistake of trying a few services. I won't lie about it. The thought of easy money is....well awesome! It just doesn't exist. They were terrible and I consistently was better....and I wised up. But I certainly never asked for my money back....

                                                            Insane
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                                                            • Sam Odom
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 10-30-05
                                                              • 58063

                                                              #205
                                                              Originally posted by firedawg

                                                              how can I be a paid posterjj?

                                                              Move to Texas
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                                                              • High3rEl3m3nt
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 09-28-10
                                                                • 8022

                                                                #206
                                                                Originally posted by thunderous
                                                                No one does anything for free Sure he tracks "saints" like you but he also tracks touts and their "private plays".
                                                                And then he comes here on and says he wants this or this poster to be banned because they are touts??


                                                                think about it why would someone create a website and then go through all the hard work of tracking plays, lines, time stamps etc for free?

                                                                He might claim its a free service but it's not....
                                                                Most people won't get this, and I understand, but I do not believe I can track anyone if they pay me. I have taken it to the extreme and won't even feature an ad on my site because I don't want to be in a compromising situation. Essentially, I can't monitor a hand that would feed me--just my personal take.
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                                                                • Sam Odom
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 10-30-05
                                                                  • 58063

                                                                  #207
                                                                  High3rEl3m3nt

                                                                  SOS will debut soon... Will you track ?
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                                                                  • High3rEl3m3nt
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 09-28-10
                                                                    • 8022

                                                                    #208
                                                                    Originally posted by Sam Odom
                                                                    High3rEl3m3nt

                                                                    SOS will debut soon... Will you track ?
                                                                    As a saint?
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                                                                    • opie1988
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 09-12-10
                                                                      • 23429

                                                                      #209
                                                                      Shari....

                                                                      JJ just pm'd me and said for $400 he could guarantee me winners in horses and nba. He also wants to sell some furniture pieces, and a "like new convection oven" ??

                                                                      Is this allowed???

                                                                      Check my pm's. It's all right there.
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                                                                      • jjgold
                                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                                        • 07-20-05
                                                                        • 388179

                                                                        #210
                                                                        The forum was getting a little out of control

                                                                        I actually knew 2 guys here selling ID cards so the younger posters here can get into bars and buy cigarettes

                                                                        Lou shut it down

                                                                        Lt profits more busy giving us the gambling daily


                                                                        Sbr beefed up forum security with a top flight moderator with extensive knowledge in ip manipulation, high end back end knowledge of fiber optics security , firewall tasking , tout control, sportsbook security and kyc expert.
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