If you believe Sandy Hook was real...

[Eddy Munny]

Correct... not even close. Each tower was 110 stories and comprised of 500,000 tons of steel and concrete... this does not even include other materials or furnishings. You have a few floors on fire and we're supposed to believe that it triggered a total pancake collapse at free fall speed? Even in a pancake scenario there would be some delay, as each floor would brace the falling debris above it. You don't have to be a physicist to wrap you head around this simple idea. There's no way that random, irregular damage, however severe, would create a smooth, symmetrical drop. Why do demolition companies even exist if this were this case?

Even if we buy this completely fictitious nonsense about a pancake calamity, then as I previously stated, there should be an enormous amount of rubble. Remember, these 110 stories didn't just disintegrate, they simply buckled and gave way to gravity. All the materials would still be present, albeit rearranged. The photos of ground zero show some rubble, sure, but that's like an anthill compared to what one would expect. Where is all that concrete? Where? ...and the largest piece of any office equipment/furnishing found in the wreckage was part (PART, not even the entire unit) of a desk phone. Does that sound like a "natural" catastrophe? The truth is, most of the buildings were "dustified" and pools of molten steel and iron in the rubble, several weeks later, attest to the presence of explosives.

[muldoon]

I only skimmed over the above post. I don't believe that seeing a word repeated has any subconscious effect on a person either.

With that being said, I'm really craving some pancakes for some reason.

[Eddy Munny]

Yeah, IHOP probably should have sponsored the government's official story... Kermit devoured two syrup-drenched stacks on 9/12 while he jacked off to thoughts of Adam West apprehending Bin Laden with a butterfly net.

[muldoon]

Yeah, IHOP probably should have sponsored the government's official story... Kermit devoured two syrup-drenched stacks on 9/12 while he jacked off to thoughts of Adam West apprehending Bin Laden with a butterfly net.

You've given a bit of work to that scenario.

Mocking a posters jerk off fantasies?

YOU SIR HAVE GONE TOO FAR!

[raydog]

his theories are a bit better, but not by much, than the guy who claims the towers were never hit by planes... someone took the blame and was proud of it... means nothing to the conspiracy guys though...they still think bringing down bldg 7 was planned too...that fukker was on fire all over the place... a mid story burns out and the top stories fall and you guessed, its all coming down., same as the big towers... some dont use common sense, yet they think they have it all figured out... sbr has the funniest posters

[Eddy Munny]

I'm not espousing theories, Raydog, I'm presenting facts.

I get it... you're a moron. You don't have to keep posting to remind me. I'm thoroughly convinced.

[raydog]

still waiting on a Fact... you have your mind made up, i get it... you also dont have a single clue, i get that too... you are like every other conspiracy nut that thinks they are smarter than the rest... son, you arent... you talk about something so much that you have twisted your theory to a point of ignorance and you can now preach about said unproven theory... again, still waiting on A Fact... opinions come cheap pal

[Kermit]

Eddy wants to know why he can't see any water coolers or Xerox machines in any of the pictures of the tons of rubble and dust, but yet over 20,000 pieces of human remains were found all over including as far as almost 1/4 mile away. I guess human tissue is more durable than a metal filing cabinet.

I don't know how anyone cannot accept the fact that if a 300,000 pound jet takes out a middle section of a 110 story tower that those 30+ floors above that area are eventually going to collapse on top of it. I mean honestly, what is going to keep that top section from coming down on the much weakened section below it? Magic?

If the plane clipped the top of the building and just the top was on fire, and then the building collapsed, I would then be very skeptical, but for Christ's sake, the entire middle section was impacted and engulfed in flames for an hour with all of that weight above it.

Eddy, which story did you believe again? That there were or were not passengers on the planes? I can't keep track because every conspiracy theorist clings to a different variation.

[nyplayer33]

My friend's neighbor just retired from FDNY. THe FDNY guy knows my friend for over 20 yrs etc..he told him he bleieved there were explosvies that made those towers collapse. I'm just repaeating what I was told...

[pronk]

You stupid nitwit, in 1945 on July 28th B29 crashed into the Empire State building around 79th floor spilling burning fuel down to 75th floor, remember? What happened to that building dummy? 🐸

[Kermit]

You stupid nitwit, in 1945 on July 28th B29 crashed into the Empire State building around 79th floor spilling burning fuel down to 75th floor, remember? What happened to that building dummy? 

That was a 10 ton plane(Compared to 150 tons) traveling 1/2 of the speed and not carrying enough fuel for a cross country flight. Not to mention the Empire State building's structure is entirely different.

Kind of a huge difference don't you think dummy?

[jtoler]

That was a 10 ton plane(Compared to 150 tons) traveling 1/2 of the speed and not carrying enough fuel for a cross country flight. Not to mention the Empire State building's structure is entirely different.

Kind of a huge difference don't you think dummy?

Do you get paid to deflect on topics such as this? It's ok if you do.

[rkelly110]

The engineering documentaries I've seen on the towers and how they came down, coincides with engineers.

Someone with engineering know how knew how to bring those towers down. The towers were made to withstand
a direct hit from a full sized plane back in the day, like the empire state bldg.

Today's planes are much bigger and carry more fuel. If you notice where the planes hit (corners) and at what angle
(plane tilted to take out more floors), the amount of fuel they were carrying, and the length of time burning, it's
safe to say they would eventually come down.

The explosions people heard before they did fall, was probably structure giving way.

[stevenash]

^
My dad, a top military engineer, an engineer that was top dog responsible for overseeing the entire Military Ocean Terminal Base in NJ right across from the old Brooklyn Navy Yards, and his engineering team, most of them who loathed Bush, and would have loved to prove otherwise all agree it went down pretty much the way it went down.
Sorry, 9 out of 10 military engineers can't be wrong.
Hey I like a good conspiracy story every now an then too, there is not one here sadly.

Eddy is good people, but I think he's seen one too many X-File shows.
Good news for Eddy is Fox has picked up 6 new episodes.

[zizoudane10]

You stupid nitwit, in 1945 on July 28th B29 crashed into the Empire State building around 79th floor spilling burning fuel down to 75th floor, remember? What happened to that building dummy? ��

Really...?
I mean, seriously, without making fun of you or being an asshole here, but really?
If you really don't understand the differences between these two events, I will try to explain it to you in all seriousness and without namecalling or whatever.

[Eddy Munny]

Eddy wants to know why he can't see any water coolers or Xerox machines in any of the pictures of the tons of rubble and dust, but yet over 20,000 pieces of human remains were found all over including as far as almost 1/4 mile away. I guess human tissue is more durable than a metal filing cabinet.

I don't know how anyone cannot accept the fact that if a 300,000 pound jet takes out a middle section of a 110 story tower that those 30+ floors above that area are eventually going to collapse on top of it. I mean honestly, what is going to keep that top section from coming down on the much weakened section below it? Magic?

If the plane clipped the top of the building and just the top was on fire, and then the building collapsed, I would then be very skeptical, but for Christ's sake, the entire middle section was impacted and engulfed in flames for an hour with all of that weight above it.

Eddy, which story did you believe again? That there were or were not passengers on the planes? I can't keep track because every conspiracy theorist clings to a different variation.

Kermit is so dense, he doesn't even realize he just provided further proof for my supposition that explosives brought the buildings down. If the towers simply yielded to gravity, why the hell were were the occupants obliterated into 20,000 pieces, scattered 1/4 mile from the scene, some parts even found on rooftops of other buildings? You're telling me you believe it's the result of a skyscraper falling vertically to the earth due to "structural failure?" That's beyond asinine. Obviously there was some incredible force that made mincemeat of the victims and propelled their remains out and away from the coordinates of the towers.

You still haven't addressed the issue of a total collapse at free fall speed. The buildings were not impacted in the "middle" as you claim (how many more facts are you going to butcher?), but much closer to the top. Tower 1, for instance, was impacted between the 93rd and 99th floors (out of 110). Since the plane hit a corner, any kind of collapse that might occur should have been erratic and irregular. The damage wasn't nearly as great as you purport and the fires were burning under less that optimum conditions so a total collapse is the stuff of pure fiction, but let's make believe for a minute... a more likely scenario would have been the top section buckling at the corner that sustained the damage, and toppling over, much like a wilting flower. But of course that didn't happen. What did happen was a complete vertical drop, demonstrating no resistance along it's path.

As for your little "conspiracy theory" jab, when are you ever going to acknowledge that the narrative you've foolishly chosen as the "correct" one is nothing less than a conspiracy theory itself. Just because it comes with the "official story" tag doesn't absolve it's adherents of having to provide irrefutable proof of their own... and that's something they never have. So because your conspiracy theory receives television coverage and mine doesn't, makes it more valid in your eyes? You really have don't have a clue about how the world works.

Which story did you believe again? That the buildings succumbed to supernatural, cataclysmic jet fuel and the ensuing pancake parade, or that the Acme Corporation outfitted the towers with bundles of TNT, in case of an emergency? I can't keep track because every official story conspiracy theorist clings to a different variation.

[Eddy Munny]

Do you get paid to deflect on topics such as this? It's ok if you do.

If he does, then his employer is getting fleeced big time.

That'd be like commissioning a mermaid to teach kickboxing.

[Kermit]

Here is a fun fact:

The Molten Steel that was found at the base of the towers actually turned out to be the same metal material that Eddy Munny's hat is made of that he wears every night when he checks his closet and under his bed for CIA agents before going to sleep.

[Eddy Munny]

Kermit, you suck out loud. While I provide endless points and counterpoints to your fiction, all you can muster in response is a lame attempt at a tired, old "tin foil hat" punchline. Sad. Everyone should compare post #261 with #263 and ask themselves who really has a handle on real life, and who lives a sheltered, insulated, borderline delusional half-life, that places the idiot box as the god of knowledge.

[Kermit]

Kermit is so dense, he doesn't even realize he just provided further proof for my supposition that explosives brought the buildings down. If the towers simply yielded to gravity, why the hell were were the occupants obliterated into 20,000 pieces, scattered 1/4 mile from the scene, some parts even found on rooftops of other buildings?

No, I think that I am referring to something else, like a plane traveling 500 MPH and exploding and bodies being torn apart and parts launched that way. Oh wait, that's right, there were no passengers on the planes.

I guess that George Bush dressed up in his bunny suit and hippity-hopped all over New York hiding body parts for people to find.

[Kermit]

Kermit, you suck out loud. While I provide endless points and counterpoints to your fiction, all you can muster in response is a lame attempt at a tired, old "tin foil hat" punchline. Sad. Everyone should compare post #261 with #263 and ask themselves who really has a handle on real life, and who lives a sheltered, insulated, borderline delusional half-life, that places the idiot box as the god of knowledge.

You ain't providing shit other than regurgitating what some goofs on Youtube told you.

[Eddy Munny]

By "goofs" you mean NYFD, metallurgists, architects, engineers, pilots, former CIA/FBI agents, blue collar men/women with first hand accounts etc. etc. etc.?

That's a helluva lot better than the goofs who bungled (intentionally) the commission report, which apparently wasn't even worth undertaking until over a year after 9/11.

Retard.

[Kermit]

Eddy, where are these "explosions" at that launched body parts 1/4 of a mile across the city?

The only explosions that I seen was right after the planes impacted the buildings.

[Kermit]

These look like they would launch some body parts.

Now you post some video of these "Explosions" that propelled body parts 1/4 of a mile. And I don't want to see a just puff of smoke either.

[Eddy Munny]

You even plagiarize me subconsciously by using words like "magic" in sarcastic fashion, and "regurgitate" after I've already employed them in recent posts against you. You just lay in wait, picking your spots, then ambush when you think you've spotted an opportunity. After I systematically dismantle your talking points, you return to lurking in the shadows or try to defuse your demise with a quick joke. It's obvious you are incapable of carrying a dialogue with me on this subject, or any subject for that matter.

Go upload hair metal videos, loser. I own you.

[brainfreeze]

You still haven't addressed the issue of a total collapse at free fall speed. The buildings were not impacted in the "middle" as you claim (how many more facts are you going to butcher?), but much closer to the top. Tower 1, for instance, was impacted between the 93rd and 99th floors (out of 110). Since the plane hit a corner, any kind of collapse that might occur should have been erratic and irregular. The damage wasn't nearly as great as you purport and the fires were burning under less that optimum conditions so a total collapse is the stuff of pure fiction, but let's make believe for a minute... a more likely scenario would have been the top section buckling at the corner that sustained the damage, and toppling over, much like a wilting flower. But of course that didn't happen. What did happen was a complete vertical drop, demonstrating no resistance along it's path.

Then you put in, they fell the exact same way, both of them.... within ten minutes of each other, At free fall...

Good post ..

and what about this guy, Silverstein ?... Interesting article...

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/silverstein.html

[Eddy Munny]

Eddy, where are these "explosions" at that launched body parts 1/4 of a mile across the city?

The only explosions that I seen was right after the planes impacted the buildings.

The launched body parts were lost in the pyroclastic clouds as each floor was detonated, retard. By the way, "pancakes" don't produce pyroclastic clouds.

[Kermit]

You even plagiarize me subconsciously by using words like "magic" in sarcastic fashion, and "regurgitate" after I've already employed them in recent posts against you. You just lay in wait, picking your spots, then ambush when you think you've spotted an opportunity. After I systematically dismantle your talking points, you return to lurking in the shadows or try to defuse your demise with a quick joke. It's obvious you are incapable of carrying a dialogue with me on this subject, or any subject for that matter.

Go upload hair metal videos, loser. I own you.

Plagiarizing him he says. You're just sad because you found someone who can be as witty with words as you are.

Spoken like a true loser on a downward spiral right down the toilet. Don't forget to say hi to the Tidy Bowl Man!

[Kermit]

The launched body parts were lost in the mists of the pyroclastic clouds as each floor was detonated, retard. By the way, "pancakes" don't produce pyroclastic clouds.

Yeah, those explosions were really something else. I am surprised they didn't find body parts in New Jersey.

[Eddy Munny]

What? You really believe I find you witty? I don't think you ever leave the house. You're an insulated, brainwashed, worthless glob of clay that just passively sits by and awaits your manipulation at the hands of the government or anyone else willing to tug your puppet strings.

.

[Eddy Munny]

Kermit is so square it's frightening... frightening to think that my fellow countrymen are so easily fooled and confused and ready to accept any kind of propaganda foisted upon them.

His avatar being a puppet is no accident either. I believe, again, that this was his subconscious at play.

I hope to god that Kermit does not represent the modern American civilian, or you might as well nuke this country and get it over with, because Kermit is already a mindless zombie, just wasting oxygen. Like "recon1" said in a previous post, Kermit is the kind of guy that doesn't even know he's being boiled alive until the water has reached a bubble.

[stevenash]

I only skimmed over the above post. I don't believe that seeing a word repeated has any subconscious effect on a person either.

I was taught in psychology class that a word or a phrase needs to repeated three times to have a subliminal and or a subconscious effect.

[Eddy Munny]

Kermit subconsciously nicks my words/phrases all the time. I say subconsciously because I don't think he'd intentionally pluck and recycle them for risk of looking like an idiot. Don't get me wrong, he is an idiot but I doubt he wants to look like one. It's just that when he comes across a passage of mine he likes, he's so tickled that it goes straight into his memory bank and reappears all too soon. I'm not just talking about this thread, but others in which he's reared his puppet head. It just goes to show.. I truly own Kermit the Fraud. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but Kermit needs to pull his face up out of my lap and take a breath once in a while.

[stevenash]

Here are some of the remnants of the bulidings that collapsed.

[stevenash]

This is some pancake powder.