Originally posted by recon1
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Another solid post... Full of FACTS, yet some here will say, none of this is facts... Smh, terrible...that was crazy to, when that guy W. Rodriquez said he was on the 39th floor and heard something moving around on the 40th, he said the building was vacant, and no one should've been on that floor...he said that was the first time he actually felt a sense of fear... Wonder what was going on ? Maybe last minute prep, configuring after the planes hit..then all of the random explosions, wild stuff.Comment -
The Pentagon was designed by American architect George Bergstrom (1876–1955), and built by general contractor John McShain of Philadelphia. Ground was broken for construction on September 11, 1941, and the building was dedicated on January 15, 1943. General Brehon Somervell provided the major motive power behind the project;[4] Colonel Leslie Groves was responsible for overseeing the project for the U.S. Army.Originally posted by recon1
... Waiting for the replies on this, more yah, yah, so what... Coincidence ...??!!
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You and i know Luciferianism loves those dates.Originally posted by brainfreezeThe Pentagon was designed by American architect George Bergstrom (1876–1955), and built by general contractor John McShain of Philadelphia. Ground was broken for construction on September 11, 1941, and the building was dedicated on January 15, 1943. General Brehon Somervell provided the major motive power behind the project;[4] Colonel Leslie Groves was responsible for overseeing the project for the U.S. Army.
... Waiting for the replies on this, more yah, yah, so what... Coincidence ...??!!
I'll show a video of a firefighter who made a startling discovery tomorrow during the 911 events. The 911 comssion did not want to talk with him either.Comment -
why would anyone say coincidence... i would say its a strong chance that this is why the day was chosen... i dont know if there is a point to be made...
plenty of facts about fraudulent sec shit going on and the bankers, nobody is doubting that either...anyone thinking bldg 7 could have survived, doesnt have a single common sense ... that place was a fukking fiery wreck
probably read this ... http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htmComment -
It's almost comical how everyone thinks they can just type in debunk, and explain things away.. Even if Silverstein had no idea what he was talking about and neither do I on demo... The term " pull " a building, is common language for controlled demolition.. and anyone with some common sense knows the only way ANY building is coming down in it's own foot print at free fall with those type of structures and metals, is demo... Have you watched any demo vids and then looked at wtc ? It's the same process, they also found cut beams at wtc, this is something a demo team would do, weaken the points they want for the implosion they want.Originally posted by raydog
You can't explain away all the facts that some will call " coincidences " there's just to many and when you add them all up it becomes proof... and then once realized,and substantiated, it becomes evidence ...Comment -
“(1) In your own quote we have a Fire Dept. COMMANDER saying: "....they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire......". How and why is everyone ignoring the fact that the COMMANDER, obviously based on his relevant/authoritative experience/knowledge, judges that the WTC7 fire is OUT OF CONTROL!
Kind of weird, that the wtc 1 & 2 were hit at 8, 9 am...but wtc 7 didn't " collapse " until 5 pm, and they made this decision at 3 pm to stay away because the fire was " out of control ". The bankers building that set right next to wtc 1 didn't have so much of a spark of fire ..but this building a block away did and was raging uncontrollably ? why didn't the Marriott " collapse " as well...and where was the fire ? No doubt there was a fire there, but I've never seen a fire pancake and implode a building in it's own foot print like that,Comment -
Sounds like one of these stories if I ever heard one....
The responsibility for the Reichstag fire remains an ongoing topic of debate and research[3][4] but historians disagree as to whether Van der Lubbe acted alone, as he said, to protest the condition of the German working class. The Nazis accused the international Communists for the act. Some historians suggest that the Communist Party's counter-accusation was correct: that the arson was planned and ordered by the Nazis, as a false flag operation. Whether the fire was indeed set by Van der Lubbe, the Nazis used the fire to solidify their power and eliminate the communists as political rivals.Comment -
10) Silverstein denies "Pull" means "Controlled demolition". He said it means "Pull" the teams out of the building.
So which one was is it then, did they use cables like on 6, to control the demo and " pull " the lines walls on 7 or did they back off ?... or was Silverstein saying " pull people " out of the area ? I think he specifically said " it " pull it, I've never heard that term when talking about a team of people, maybe controlled demo...but not a team of people...Comment -
Unreal. I tried to exit the "God" thread only to find it here. Ironic I know.Comment -
This also doesn't correlate, if the fire was so beyond control, what was " secret service police " doing in the main entrance of the building...saying the building was evacuated..Comment -
Raydog sounds like a fifth grader.Comment -
A godless fifth graderOriginally posted by Eddy MunnyComment -
I read through some of the 911 debunking site you provided. Post up any point from that site and let's discuss it.Originally posted by raydog
The building on that "debunking" website link you provided was under the twin towers and did not collapse and the crews were tearing it down. WTC-7 was several hundred yards from the twin towers and had buildings in-between WTC-7 and towers that suffered catastrophic damage and still stood. WTC-7 was damaged and that was it.
For a 47 story to fall at free-fall speed symetrically, explosives and explosives only are the cause, this is fact.
You can actually see the explosives when WTC-7 was dropped. I already provided the BBC broadcast where they said the Solomon brothers building (WTC-7) collapsed when it was still standing. Debunk that.
I don't do "Conspiracy theories" i do facts.
J. Edgar Hoover was said to have come to a conclussion toward or right end of his time as FBI head and here is what he says about what is and has been happening for a long time in this country.
The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst. It rejects even the assumption that human creatures could espouse a philosophy which must ultimately destroy all that is good and decent.
J. Edgar Hoover.
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Silverstein did an interview with PBS shortly after event. If anybody has ever taken training in face-to-face lie detection you can see clearly the lies he tells. If you are interested i'll post it up.Originally posted by brainfreeze
Silverstein won a 99 year lease with the Port Authority for the WTC complex. He found out that both towers had asbestos and the City of New York was holding off a condeming of both towers because the job was so monstrous and $ consuming the only best thing to do was tear the buildings down which was impossibile without collateral damage. Silverstein is said to have threatned lawsuit against New York City, but instead was put into contact with operators…….and the rest is historyComment -
Brainfreeze, do you know what body many theorize this firefighter and his crew found on 11, September, 2001?Originally posted by recon1
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No, but I just seen clips of this guys interview in another video that was real interesting but can't find it now... but yeah, it's just like Rodriquez saying there was movement on a floor where no one had keys to, and was inoperable, seems like a lot of covert ops was going on in the midst of all this...Originally posted by recon1
heres a two minute case study though on building 7, thought it would give people an idea of how things are supposed to work...
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I always consider conspiracy theorists to be those who, in the midst of facts brought before them, choose to ignore them. In this case the conspiracy theorists are those who believe the narrative they were told by their tax takers. You're the conspiracy theorists, you choose to believe silliness and theorized stories of make believe over hard facts.Comment -
Originally posted by brainfreeze
I'll checkout the video you provided latter.
The body that was stuffed into that closet that the fire crew found is more-than-likely John P. O'neil.
He was a head agent in charge of terrorist overseas. He found out the CIA connection to these groups and uncovered funding. He sounded the whistle and the FBI basically got rid of him. He was warning people an event would take place at WTC. O'neil took the job as Security head for WTC complex so that he could be in place when an event would take place. This guy could not be allowed to be alive after this event. I theorize he was killed by a certain hit team early in morning prior to event going live and stuffed in a closet.Comment -
Exactly jtoler, i don't do "conspiracies" i do facts and follow the motive.Comment -
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We are not talking about 1 mans dying account of et's ... We are talking maybe hundreds of people with no agenda or CIA ties. They have no reason to lie or say something that didn't happen... Recon posted a link with firemen looking for truth, along with the last man in the building... These people lost loved ones in that building, I highly doubt they have alternative motives... This is about truth, and people being exposed, and held accountable, if not we are all complicit, I think recon went over the outcome that's possible...Originally posted by Evolved137
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EDIT- I want to make one thing clear---
I don't believe in conspiracy's. I believe in fact. None of you are going to prove anything off of a youtube video, just like mine above, however interesting. However if you're like me, and venture into the Darknet of TOR/Tails and find the exposed documented leaks of actual Alphabet agencies actual memo's, along with more information than i won't even begin to get attempt to create any believers, pm me and get on TOR and ill share some unimaginable onion links, even those to who are familiar with them and read all of Snowden's releases from such a long time ago...Some of you may not know that he gave a very large portion of those leaks to several of those he trusted, in confidence under circumstances, they would be leaked at will in the future.
While Ed may have been the first insider to be able to expose such documents on this sort of level, don't for a moment let yourselves believe that this didn't do much more than create the movement that followed, and this week alone whistleblower's and anonymous sources post incredible Alphabet powerpoint slides, memo's, secret documents, new or old, that are published without discretion daily basis, such as today.
If only the world would study and analyze THESE documents as citizens, that are literally impossible to be found on the clearnet, then i can guarantee with full clarity and disclosure of evidence that you will have your minds blown, and those that at least pose questions that they cannot answer but want them found, i can guarantee that if you dig deep enough and know where to look, they are right in front of our faces, and our Alpphabet's hate it.
I want to say also none of the video's include the ones i posted right above, i do NOT believe to be factual or fiction. I just take it for what its worth, because its all you're going to FIND youtube BS for christ sakes
I also want to make clear i am not condoning the Darknet, revealing Alphabet secrets that can possibly harm us to the hands of active terrorism and can have a very negative impact on Homeland Security. My point to make here is that if you look in the right places, more information than you will ever know is out there, is out there. This is the most sincere post, statement, and truthfully guaranteed post I will ever make on this forum, ironic because I don't know why i would even get into this on SBR, some off topic thread that shouldn't exist here...I just couldn't resist being apart of Tor/Tails and seeing what I have seen and working inside of TOR and Tails Dev for a long time now.
That was my point in those videos, as you didn't know i posted those not that i believed them, or that I am the conspiracy theorist you would prejudge by me posting those video's like other's without posting my views, not knowing that I have no bias to anything posted in this entire thread.
What i do see in this thread is a lot of people passionately taking their views on seriously devastating events in our history, and what I am trying to do is point you to where you need to look if your that passionate, and it's never going to come through a mouth of someone on a news channel, or an activist, or even someone as a CIA contact giving her accounts of the 9/11 attacks.
I prefer proof, and that going onto the onion browser, you will shed light on events occurred that were never supposed to be known to the public, nor to this day. This goes so far beyond anything discussed here. Apple, is a great example. Anyone know of the cover-up Jobbs refused to be apart of, and upon after his death, Cook agreed with the Alphabet and what transpired?
I have some amazing facts I would love to present to those who really want to hear about some great cover ups that are not public knowledge today, nothing of which i have posted here.
I have no bias. I like truth and facts, and those I have discovered, though through a much deeper channel and being employed by both TAILS as well as TOR for reason's i would not disclose on the clearnet.
What i will encourage for those truly looking for answers, is to check out https://www.torproject.org/ , download the most updated version of the TBB (tor browser bundle) As a novice, you may look into "The Hidden Wiki" or "Hidden Services"...You will already be provided with Noscript, search engines such as DDG, Startpage, along with a plethora of openly actively channeling you to stay anonymous while having 100% freedom of the internet, and the clearnet, without censorship. The onion links are where the value is kept.
This is Begginer's not even 101. I'm just trying to shed light on area's otherwise you guys are simply will only dream of finding on the actual web. Onion links are where the real secrets are revealed, and that is FACT, not Fiction. I was actually in a live chat with the original Leaker himself the first week of March, and while his current status as you i'm sure are aware of what he's trying to do, believe me when i tell you he is absolutely still continuing in his original idealism, however he is now truly just another figure in the whistleblowing community that is documented on the DN. and not many know this, and i don't care what anyone thinks about my statement, as i'm live and on my own IP, inside my home, and i have no agenda, except FACT. Take it for what it's worth, or throw it away,or bash me. I simply don't care. You know what they say about opinions, but i wasn't here to give mine. I just simply wanted to give those who aren't aware, the outlet to look to find answers.
Also, You are not breaking any law's by using TOR or TAILS service for those unaware or unfamiliar. Pm me if you are already an EXPERIENCED user and would like expert advice on onion links i would love to share with you if you are interested in the theories and (truthfully much better ones) that are exposed as FACT.
I have so much more to say on this subject, but i am very late for a meeting and didn't get to say everything i needed to say, and i'm sure my word's are not well spoken as I had to write this fast. I'll redact and update things when i have time to re-read what i wrote and any errors in spelling or otherwise i made.
But what i can prove, which is much further beyond any recognition of doubtComment -
wow, this is some deep deep stuff...what she said in that presentation i believe 1000 percent!!!!Comment -
Yea, I'm not that savy, I don't even know what a onion link is but interesting for sure, why would I need startpage to go there for me though if it's not against the law ? Why can't you just post the document on PDF, and link us to said articles ? what do they expose ? You seem like you don't care the cost, neither do I and probably a few others here... I know for fact this stuff goes beyond, it would be very hard to blow my mind, not boastful just truthful, but I'm sure it would make some people question life, and the fraud from the truth..Originally posted by Evolved137
Yeah, I know you don't believe the CIA man, and you posting that to show youtube has no credibility because anything can go up there, but there is truth there, just takes deciphering through the crap.. These onion links sound interesting ... Thank you for being respectful, and the thought out statements, maybe post an example of what your talking about would help...Comment -
At what point do we admit we are so far down them totem pole-that there is NO USE trying to understand whats going on at the top......the top just gets higher everyday while the weight pushes the bottom down even further........they win....just smile-ride the coaster----and die like your supposed to IMO.Comment -
When I have questions that concern me... " I go straight to the top " GOD, there's nothing new under the sun papertrail, and you can do anything you want, and the only thing " they " are winning at the moment is being eternally damned.. This is just part of life, fighting powers and principalities, rulers of darkness is just part of it...Originally posted by PaperTrail07Comment -
Just don't use TOR here you'll prob be banned.Comment -
lolz.. i seriously dont know if you are blind, stupid or just arguing to argue... if you think this bldg was a controlled dynamite demo, you havent the slightest clue what you are talking about... it collapsed from the inside.. moronOriginally posted by recon1
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and i cant help it if bbc had a bonehead who had no clue what she was talking about.. that is discussed on that site too... you still have 0 fact... none of you have a single fact..only meaningless opinions...its boringComment -
Lets look at common sense in this scenario. If their stairway was gone on the 3rd floor, what took it out? Body foundOriginally posted by recon1
in a closet on the 3rd floor, how did it get there? From above. Shit fell from above which took out the stairway and
deposited the body in the closet.Comment -
Weird...Originally posted by recon1I'll checkout the video you provided latter.
The body that was stuffed into that closet that the fire crew found is more-than-likely John P. O'neil.
He was a head agent in charge of terrorist overseas. He found out the CIA connection to these groups and uncovered funding. He sounded the whistle and the FBI basically got rid of him. He was warning people an event would take place at WTC. O'neil took the job as Security head for WTC complex so that he could be in place when an event would take place. This guy could not be allowed to be alive after this event. I theorize he was killed by a certain hit team early in morning prior to event going live and stuffed in a closet.
After being passed over for multiple promotions (assistant director in charge of national security in 1999, and head of the FBI's New York office in early 2000[4]), O'Neill was pleased to be assigned as commander of the FBI's investigation into the USS Cole bombing in October 2000. However, upon arriving in Yemen, he complained about inadequate security. As his team investigated, O'Neill came into conflict with Barbara Bodine, the U.S. ambassador to Yemen. The two had widely divergent views on how to handle searches of Yemeni property and interviews with citizens and government officials, and they only grew further apart as time progressed.[6]
In 1999, O'Neill sent a close associate named Mark Rossini to work in CIA's Bin Laden Issue Station in Virginia. He had a conflict with station chief Richard Blee; O'Neill wanted Rossini to stay at station and feed him information about what the CIA was doing, while Blee wanted him out working in the field. Later on, the CIA Bin Laden station learned that Bin-Laden associates Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar were headed to the US with Visas. Rossini and his associate Doug Miller attempted to alert O'Neill but the message was blocked by Blee. Mihdhar and Hazmi became two of the hijackers of American Airlines Flight 77 on 9/11.[8]
In early 2001 Richard A. Clarke, the National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism, wanted to move to another position; he insisted O'Neill was the best person to replace him. O'Neill proved reluctant not least because of the relatively low salary.[4] When O'Neill heard of upcoming links to the New York Times about the May 2000 incident in which his briefcase had been stolen, he decided to retire in favor of a higher-paying job in the private sector, as chief of security at the World Trade Center.[4]
O'Neill started his new job at the World Trade Center on August 23, 2001.[4] In late August, he talked to his friend Chris Isham about the job. Jokingly, Isham said, "At least they're not going to bomb it again," a reference to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. O'Neill replied, "They'll probably try to finish the job."[4]Comment -
sorry , recon.. dont mean to be a dick or name caller buddy... i just disagree until something factual comes up... bldg 7 burned from the inside out until it gave way in the center...the final collapse pictures tell you that... i guess ill just remain on this side until someones theory actually has teeth...eddy thinks he knows it all, although he is just another with some way out there ideas... still waiting on my first Fact, eddy... i guess ill be waiting for quite a while... yawn ... anyyyways, you guys never stop to think of all the relatives that were lost by some of those you "claim" were involved in this conspiracy...
only thing i can say for fact, is it had to be some surreal shit being there... i cant imagine seeing people falling out of bldgs and shit being all over the city...Comment -
There was talk spreading among the media (from discussions with officials) that Building 7 was on the verge of collapse. In the heat of the day - some networks broadcast that as it already had happened. The fact that they would have the building in the background while broadcasting should have a person believe that it was obviously an error. Instead, it's a grand conspiracy where the conspirators forgot to change the shot angle.Originally posted by raydogComment -
Again, if this clip doesn't look strange to anyone... Then, well... Believe what you want, firemen weren't the last people in the building ... It was this guy. I see nothing creaking, or even falling off for that matter, at this angel... Just blown out windows and wreckage.Originally posted by brainfreeze
you guys that say " collapse " prove it... Where's the video ? Where's the firey inferno all over the entire building... not 1 floor out of 47Comment
