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  • guitarjosh
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    • 12-25-07
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    ‘Trump’s Going to Get Re-elected, Isn’t He?’


    By Thomas L. Friedman July 16, 2019
    Voters have reason to worry.

    President Trump in June at the launch of his 2020 campaign in Orlando, Fla.Damon Winter/The New York Times

    I’m struck at how many people have come up to me recently and said, “Trump’s going to get re-elected, isn’t he?” And in each case, when I drilled down to ask why, I bumped into the Democratic presidential debates in June. I think a lot of Americans were shocked by some of the things they heard there. I was.

    I was shocked that so many candidates in the party whose nominee I was planning to support want to get rid of the private health insurance covering some 250 million Americans and have “Medicare for all” instead. I think we should strengthen Obamacare and eventually add a public option.

    I was shocked that so many were ready to decriminalize illegal entry into our country. I think people should have to ring the doorbell before they enter my house or my country.

    I was shocked at all those hands raised in support of providing comprehensive health coverage to undocumented immigrants. I think promises we’ve made to our fellow Americans should take priority, like to veterans in need of better health care.

    And I was shocked by how feeble was front-runner Joe Biden’s response to the attack from Kamala Harris — and to the more extreme ideas promoted by those to his left.

    From left, Pete Buttigieg, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris at their debate in June.Damon Winter/The New York Times

    So, I wasn’t surprised to hear so many people expressing fear that the racist, divisive, climate-change-denying, woman-abusing jerk who is our president was going to get re-elected, and was even seeing his poll numbers rise.

    Dear Democrats: This is not complicated! Just nominate a decent, sane person, one committed to reunifying the country and creating more good jobs, a person who can gain the support of the independents, moderate Republicans and suburban women who abandoned Donald Trump in the midterms and thus swung the House of Representatives to the Democrats and could do the same for the presidency. And that candidate can win!

    But please, spare me the revolution! It can wait. Win the presidency, hold the House and narrow the spread in the Senate, and a lot of good things still can be accomplished. “No,” you say, “the left wants a revolution now!” O.K., I’ll give the left a revolution now: four more years of Donald Trump.

    That will be a revolution.

    Four years of Trump feeling validated in all the crazy stuff he’s done and said. Four years of Trump unburdened by the need to run for re-election and able to amplify his racism, make Ivanka secretary of state, appoint even more crackpots to his cabinet and likely get to name two right-wing Supreme Court justices under the age of 40.

    Yes sir, that will be a revolution!

    It will be an overthrow of all the norms, values, rules and institutions that we cherish, that made us who we are and that have united us in this common project called the United States of America.

    If the fear of that doesn’t motivate the Democratic Party’s base, then shame on those people. Not all elections are equal. Some elections are a vote for great changes — like the Great Society. Others are a vote to save the country. This election is the latter.

    That doesn’t mean a Democratic candidate should stand for nothing, just keep it simple: Focus on building national unity and good jobs.

    I say national unity because many Americans are terrified and troubled by how bitterly divided, and therefore paralyzed, the country has become. There is an opening for a unifier.

    And I say good jobs because when the wealth of the top 1 percent equals that of the bottom 90 percent, we do have to redivide the pie. I favor raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans to subsidize universal pre-K education and to reduce the burden of student loans. Let’s give kids a head start and college grads a fresh start.

    But I’m disturbed that so few of the Democratic candidates don’t also talk about growing the pie, let alone celebrating American entrepreneurs and risk-takers. Where do they think jobs come from?

    The winning message is to double down on redividing the pie in ways that give everyone an opportunity for a slice while also growing the pie sustainably.

    Trump is growing the pie by cannibalizing the future. He is creating a growth spurt by building up enormous financial and carbon debts that our kids will pay for.

    Democrats should focus on how we create sustainable wealth and good jobs, which is the American public-private partnership model: Government enriches the soil and entrepreneurs grow the companies.

    It has always been what’s made us rich, and we’ve drifted away from it: investing in quality education and basic scientific research; promulgating the right laws and regulations to incentivize risk-taking and prevent recklessness and monopolies that can cripple free markets; encouraging legal immigration of both high-energy and high-I.Q. foreigners; and building the world’s best enabling infrastructure — ports, roads, bandwidth and basic social safety nets.

    Ask Gina Raimondo, Rhode Island’s governor, and my kind of Democrat. She was just elected in 2018 for a second term. In both her elections she had to win a primary against a more-left Democrat. When Raimondo took office in 2015, Rhode Island had unemployment near 7 percent, and over 20 percent in some of the building trades.

    “When I ran in 2014, there was a temptation to appeal to particular constituencies — gun safety, choice, all things that I believe in,” Raimondo recalled. “I resisted that temptation because I felt the single greatest issue was economic insecurity and people who were afraid they were never going to get a job. So I said there are not three or four issues, there’s one issue: jobs.” Unemployment in Rhode Island today is about 3.6 percent.

    Raimondo has faced a constant refrain from critics on her left that she is too close to business. “I created an incentive program for companies to get a tax subsidy if they created jobs that pay above our state’s median income or jobs in advanced industries,” she noted. “I have cut small-business taxes two years in a row since 2015. I am not ashamed of any of that.”

    Because, she continued, “I listen to people every day, and you hear what they are worried about. People say to me, ‘Governor, I just got a real job.’ And I’d ask them, ‘What is a real job?’ And they’d say, ‘It’s a job where I can support my family with real benefits.’ So I named our state job-training program ‘Real Jobs Rhode Island.’” It will be impossible to “sustain a vibrant democracy with this level of inequality.”

    The right answer is to reinvigorate the key elements of a healthy public-private partnership, said Raimondo: higher taxes on wealthier people, more investments in affordable housing, infrastructure and universal pre-K, and empowering the private sector to create more real jobs — “so that no one who is working full time at any job should have to collect Medicaid and need food stamps to make ends meet.”

    Concluded Raimondo: “I am no apologist for a brand of capitalism that leads to unsustainable inequality. But I do believe a more responsible capitalism is necessary for growth. We need to redivide the pie and grow the pie. I am a ‘pro-growth Democrat.’ I am for growing the pie as long as everyone has a shot at getting their slice.”

    That’s a simple message that can connect with enough Democrats — as well as independents, moderate Republicans and suburban women — to win the White House.

    Thomas L. Friedman is the foreign affairs Op-Ed columnist. He joined the paper in 1981, and has won three Pulitzer Prizes. He is the author of seven books, including “From Beirut to Jerusalem,” which won the National Book Award. @tomfriedman • Facebook
  • ericc
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    • 08-05-08
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    #2
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    • ByeShea
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      • 06-30-08
      • 8140

      #3
      The Squad is at war with Pelosi. Give AOC the speakership, so when she's old enough (lol) she can run for POTUS.

      Democrats: you might want to settle this stuff before trying to knock off a popular president.
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      • vitterd
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        • 09-14-17
        • 58460

        #4
        Originally posted by ByeShea
        The Squad is at war with Pelosi. Give AOC the speakership, so when she's old enough (lol) she can run for POTUS.

        Democrats: you might want to settle this stuff before trying to knock off a popular president.
        A popular President. Lmao!! What?

        ByeShea.....you should go to a doctor and demand to be seen.
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        • Sanity Check
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 03-30-13
          • 10962

          #5
          If Trump isn't re-elected.

          We can watch democrats burn our country to the ground, together.

          And know that trump haters, democrats and socialists like vitterd, khicks26, hockeyrocks, dante1 and all of their demographic were responsible.

          There should be zero confusion on that.
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          • khicks26
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 09-16-06
            • 45704

            #6
            He's got a 50 50 shot.
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            • khicks26
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 09-16-06
              • 45704

              #7
              Originally posted by Sanity Check
              If Trump isn't re-elected.

              We can watch democrats burn our country to the ground, together.

              And know that trump haters, democrats and socialists like vitterd, khicks26, hockeyrocks, dante1 and all of their demographic were responsible.

              There should be zero confusion on that.
              Dude, your a clown.
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              • Sanity Check
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                • 03-30-13
                • 10962

                #8
                Originally posted by khicks26
                Dude, your a clown.
                Only telling it like it is.

                Not that you would appreciate it given your personal dislike of knowledge/truth/facts.

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                • rkelly110
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                  #9
                  Just wondering how much each of these trumpers in here actually gave more than $3 to this orange thingy they call a prez and how much more than that are they going to contribute this time?
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                  • Sanity Check
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                    • 03-30-13
                    • 10962

                    #10
                    Originally posted by rkelly110
                    Just wondering how much each of these trumpers in here actually gave more than $3 to this orange thingy they call a prez and how much more than that are they going to contribute this time?
                    PS - Trump doesn't paid cuz he donated his entire salary to charity the way an american hero would.
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                    • khicks26
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 09-16-06
                      • 45704

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Sanity Check
                      Only telling it like it is.

                      Not that you would appreciate it given your personal dislike of knowledge/truth/facts.

                      You tell it as you like to see it. Facts don't have much to do with the way you see it.
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                      • Sanity Check
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 03-30-13
                        • 10962

                        #12
                        Originally posted by khicks26
                        You tell it as you like to see it. Facts don't have much to do with the way you see it.



                        Democrats using facts in arguments ^
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                        • asiagambler
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                          #13
                          Trump slight underdog right now
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                          • rkelly110
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Sanity Check
                            PS - Trump doesn't paid cuz he donated his entire salary to charity the way an american hero would.
                            You're right, he just doubled his golf club fees. That's quite a bit more than his paltry govt check. I wonder how much he pays into medicare from his retirement a month?
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                            • Sanity Check
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                              • 03-30-13
                              • 10962

                              #15
                              Originally posted by rkelly110
                              You're right, he just doubled his golf club fees. That's quite a bit more than his paltry govt check. I wonder how much he pays into medicare from his retirement a month?
                              I would guess its less than the $850 million Bill de Blasio and his wife stole from new york:



                              .
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                              • HockeyRocks
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                                • 07-10-13
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                                #16
                                When the fuk is Trump going to start doing some things he promised he would do like:

                                ...Have bigger and more beautiful healthcare for all Americans.

                                ...Replace Nafta.

                                ...Pass a big infrastructure bill.

                                ...Denuclearize NK.

                                ...Build the Wall.

                                Instead he's acting unpresidential calling others names for 2 hours at a rally tonight..You must understand why he's called the occupant of the WH...That's what he is..
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                                • dustyy
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                                  • 12-08-17
                                  • 2459

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by HockeyRocks
                                  When the fuk is Trump going to start doing some things he promised he would do like:

                                  ...Have bigger and more beautiful healthcare for all Americans.

                                  ...Replace Nafta.

                                  ...Pass a big infrastructure bill.

                                  ...Denuclearize NK.

                                  ...Build the Wall.

                                  Instead he's acting unpresidential calling others names for 2 hours at a rally tonight..You must understand why he's called the occupant of the WH...That's what he is..
                                  Hey man, you should have gone to the rally tonight, only about an hour drive for you to ECU Pirateville
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                                  • ByeShea
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                                    • 06-30-08
                                    • 8140

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by vitterd
                                    A popular President. Lmao!! What?

                                    ByeShea.....you should go to a doctor and demand to be seen.
                                    Maybe if I wrote 19,100+ posts saying the same thing (Orange Man Bad!) I'd eventually believe my own predictable bullshite, too.

                                    Then again if I was doing that I'd probably break down and have to see a shrink.

                                    You're a very impressive teenager, vitty. Maybe it's time to leave mom's basement.
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                                    • vitterd
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                                      • 09-14-17
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by ByeShea
                                      Maybe if I wrote 19,100+ posts saying the same thing (Orange Man Bad!) I'd eventually believe my own predictable bullshite, too.

                                      Then again if I was doing that I'd probably break down and have to see a shrink.

                                      You're a very impressive teenager, vitty. Maybe it's time to leave mom's basement.
                                      Even a teen in a basement knows 41 percent is not popular. Seriously, I thought your prediction that Republicans would do great in midterms was hysterical....you managed to top that. What a clown.

                                      Great comebacks with post counts!!! Real original.
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                                      • RoyBacon
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by vitterd
                                        Even a teen in a basement knows 41 percent is not popular. Seriously, I thought your prediction that Republicans would do great in midterms was hysterical....you managed to top that. What a clown.

                                        Great comebacks with post counts!!! Real original.
                                        So your dishonesty has migrated from 37% to 41%?

                                        Considering the coup attempt and the msm and antifags it's a miracle he's over 40% and still the highest rated leader in the free world.

                                        BTW Trump continues to climb at betting exchanges which you obviously have never had an account at because that would require real money. I bought Trump at 38% and he's at 45% now. I think he will be the favorite by spring.
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                                        • vitterd
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by RoyBacon
                                          So your dishonesty has migrated from 37% to 41%?

                                          Considering the coup attempt and the msm and antifags it's a miracle he's over 40% and still the highest rated leader in the free world.

                                          BTW Trump continues to climb at betting exchanges which you obviously have never had an account at because that would require real money. I bought Trump at 38% and he's at 45% now. I think he will be the favorite by spring.
                                          44 ceiling. He can go very low. You’re lying about what I said again. Like you lied about trump being one in his class at Wharton.

                                          Betting exchanges. Lmao. I crushed it with Mets and padres today. Have fun with your 60 dollar trump bets!!

                                          Donnie is done. He will never win in 2020....pa, mich and Wisconsin all gone. He is finished.
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                                          • jt315
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                                            • 11-12-11
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by vitterd
                                            44 ceiling. He can go very low. You’re lying about what I said again. Like you lied about trump being one in his class at Wharton.

                                            Betting exchanges. Lmao. I crushed it with Mets and padres today. Have fun with your 60 dollar trump bets!!

                                            Donnie is done. He will never win in 2020....pa, mich and Wisconsin all gone. He is finished.
                                            His ceiling is 40%
                                            His ceiling is 41%-42%
                                            His ceiling is 43%

                                            Now it’s 44% ?

                                            He’s already over 44% clown .

                                            Prepare for a one year vacation stubby . Just like your worthless ass did in 2016 before you were perma banned until you sucked mod dick to get reinstated .
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                                            • bigbubbafade
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                                              • 08-15-17
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                                              #23
                                              Trump will win because the liberal media and politicians have gone insane and Americans see it.

                                              Policies have become a laughing stock.
                                              Everyone is a racist if you disagree.
                                              And my favorite, if you don't vote democrat the world will end.
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                                              • vitterd
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                                                • 09-14-17
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by jt315
                                                His ceiling is 40%
                                                His ceiling is 41%-42%
                                                His ceiling is 43%

                                                Now it’s 44% ?

                                                He’s already over 44% clown .

                                                Prepare for a one year vacation stubby . Just like your worthless ass did in 2016 before you were perma banned until you sucked mod dick to get reinstated .
                                                No he isn’t. Take out your bias polls and he’s at his normal 41 percent.

                                                That’s you sucking mod dik. I tell them to fuxck off and they like me better. Lmao. Great call on the perma ban. Wrong!! You think mods are god and they laugh at you for being a 25 dollar bettor and name changer. Bwaaaaahhhh
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                                                • jt315
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by vitterd
                                                  No he isn’t. Take out your bias polls and he’s at his normal 41 percent.

                                                  That’s you sucking mod dik. I tell them to fuxck off and they like me better. Lmao. Great call on the perma ban. Wrong!! You think mods are god and they laugh at you for being a 25 dollar bettor and name changer. Bwaaaaahhhh


                                                  RCP 44.6 % but let’s take out the ones that make you look like an idiot which isn’t hard to do . Keep punching up midget .




                                                  He’s at 37% and it’s only gonna get worse .

                                                  -the poker fraud .
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                                                  • vitterd
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by jt315
                                                    RCP 44.6 % but let’s take out the ones that make you look like an idiot which isn’t hard to do . Keep punching up midget .



                                                    He’s at 37% and it’s only gonna get worse .

                                                    -the poker fraud .
                                                    Rasmussen. Lmao! He’s a joke. Donnie is a 40 percent guy. That’s where he lives.

                                                    “It will only get worse for Dems at the midterms” jt315/Lenbo
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                                                    • RoyBacon
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                                                      #27
                                                      Vitty, have you considered what you will say when Trump wins, if Trump win I mean?

                                                      My guess is you haven't, it's just too painful(think 11/8/2016).

                                                      I don't think it will be as painful as '16. You kind of see it coming even though you need to pretend.
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                                                      • vitterd
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by RoyBacon
                                                        Vitty, have you considered what you will say when Trump wins, if Trump win I mean?

                                                        My guess is you haven't, it's just too painful(think 11/8/2016).

                                                        I don't think it will be as painful as '16. You kind of see it coming even though you need to pretend.
                                                        Painful? Lmao. I will be busy with my own campaign and trying to overcome the drag trump has created for us. I see the polling and I understand the results of the midterms.....trump is a one termer. He only has his retards left. The independents are long gone. Pa, mich and Wisconsin....gone. That means he loses.
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                                                        • RoyBacon
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by vitterd
                                                          Painful? Lmao. I will be busy with my own campaign and trying to overcome the drag trump has created for us. I see the polling and I understand the results of the midterms.....trump is a one termer. He only has his retards left. The independents are long gone. Pa, mich and Wisconsin....gone. That means he loses.
                                                          It could be close. Trump lost some close states too last go around.

                                                          If he successfully shapes it into a choice between The American Dream(patriots) vs Socialism(tards/vittys) you guys are going to lose some states you won in '16. Trump maybe needs one of those three.
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                                                          • dustyy
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by RoyBacon
                                                            It could be close. Trump lost some close states too last go around.

                                                            If he successfully shapes it into a choice between The American Dream(patriots) vs Socialism(tards/vittys) you guys are going to lose some states you won in '16. Trump maybe needs one of those three.
                                                            If the economy holds and there is no major international screw up and the Dems run on Medicare for all, it will be a blowout. Medicare for all is a deal killer for the majority of the electorate. Factor in free health care for illegals and you can go to bed early on November 3, 2020, the result will be known by 11;00 EST.
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                                                            • guitarjosh
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by dustyy
                                                              If the economy holds and there is no major international screw up and the Dems run on Medicare for all, it will be a blowout. Medicare for all is a deal killer for the majority of the electorate. Factor in free health care for illegals and you can go to bed early on November 3, 2020, the result will be known by 11;00 EST.
                                                              I think that's the big problem. Open the boarders and let everyone in, then spend tens-of-thousands a year in taxpayer money on them. One Washington Post reporter said that she was sitting by a democrat during the debate when that came up, and the voter quipped, "I'm not sure I'm a democrat anymore".
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                                                              • HockeyRocks
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                                                                • 07-10-13
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by dustyy
                                                                Hey man, you should have gone to the rally tonight, only about an hour drive for you to ECU Pirateville
                                                                ..Your right, however, i stayed home and watched paint dry....More exciting..
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                                                                • d2bets
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Sanity Check
                                                                  Only telling it like it is.

                                                                  Not that you would appreciate it given your personal dislike of knowledge/truth/facts.

                                                                  Just like Obama burned it to the ground, right? Whatever.
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                                                                  • Gaze73
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Dear Democrats: This is not complicated! Just nominate a decent, sane person, one committed to reunifying the country and creating more good jobs, a person who can gain the support of the independents, moderate Republicans and suburban women who abandoned Donald Trump in the midterms and thus swung the House of Representatives to the Democrats and could do the same for the presidency. And that candidate can win!
                                                                    Uhh, you mean Tulsi? Dems are so retarded they're going to pretend their only good candidate doesn't exist.
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                                                                    • DwightShrute
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                                                                      • 01-17-09
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by HockeyRocks
                                                                      When the fuk is Trump going to start doing some things he promised he would do like:

                                                                      ...Have bigger and more beautiful healthcare for all Americans.

                                                                      ...Replace Nafta.

                                                                      ...Pass a big infrastructure bill.

                                                                      ...Denuclearize NK.

                                                                      ...Build the Wall.

                                                                      Instead he's acting unpresidential calling others names for 2 hours at a rally tonight..You must understand why he's called the occupant of the WH...That's what he is..
                                                                      Originally posted by vitterd
                                                                      Even a teen in a basement knows 41 percent is not popular. Seriously, I thought your prediction that Republicans would do great in midterms was hysterical....you managed to top that. What a clown.

                                                                      Great comebacks with post counts!!! Real original.
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