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I like the idea that at the very beginning Postle thought it'd probably blow over if he just stayed out of the spotlight, hey, nobody has any 100% hard evidence, it'll all be fine, etc. etc. And each day he's slowly realizing more and more the magnitude of what he's done and how completely f**ked he is. Great job ruining your own life because you're too stupid to even cheat properly, you thieving scumbag. Couldn't have happened to a bigger piece of shitComment -
It also turns out he is very likely banned from Caesers due to not paying his markers (Caesers named him in Bankruptcy documents). So the whole 'I don't play in Vegas where all the money is because of my daughter' could be BS.
Also, he's been arrested for:
Nevada 2009
BATTERY ON A POLICE OFFICER/SCHOOL EMPLOYEE, DISMISSED PER NEGOTIATIONS
DISORDERLY CONDUCT - PLED TO THIS REDUCED CHARGE
California 2016
TELEPHONIC HARASSMENT
These things don't prove he was cheating. But they are very relevant because they contradict the picture he was painting of himself during the interview.Comment -
There is a clip with his brother in the booth talking about Postle.
Says he will find any any angle he can and always has.
Described how their father taught him how to cheat people running a some sort of carnival game where they weighted the wheel.
Anyone recall that vid and can post it?.Comment -
Here is the clip: What Mike Postle's own brother said about him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=4dHt8yhhXuk
Commentator: I wanna go back to the wheel of destiny.
Mike Postle's brother: The wheel ... so....there is always different things. So usually you spin this wheel for 50 cents or 1 dollar, so my brother had the wheel perfectly lined up and my brother put some quarters behind the wheel....so when you would spin it you would always get close to a $5 bill. So most of time when you rolled, like 90% of time it would stop just before the $5 dollar. And he would say "oo you were so close". And it would be the worst prize ever, so my brother would win half the winnings from what it gave out so my brother would make $30-40 bucks . So if there is an angle -- -my brother would do it. He will do it.Comment -
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According to one poster on TwoPlusTwo, in 69 sessions on Stones Live, Postle has won in 62 of them, for a profit of over $250,000 in 277
the goat 62 of 69 winning sessions wowComment -
Spread sheet with tons of data the internet sleuths have gathered. (check the tabs on the bottom): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2044248290Comment -
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Postle hired a lawyer.....his statement was comical. "I lose everytime I gamble so I know streaks are possible."
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Does that mean he wasn't gambling when he won? (ie he knew cards)
Here is a question I still have.
The knowledgeable people analyzing this seem to talk like Postle does not seem to know anything advanced. Can't explain his hand logic and is basically a bit poker dumb.
If that is true, how come I also keep hearing how he manages to play perfect strategy and use the perfect size bets "every time".
Between juggling the cheating and analyzing the situation and potential play out, he must be fairly sharp to keep making "perfect" calls and bet sizings all the time?
Unless the sharp analyst is giving him the best plays to make remotely, instead of just the cards possibly?.Comment -
Well "perfect" strategy and bet sizing is not a clear concept, certainly in some situations two very good players might disagree about what the optimal play is
Even so, it's a heck of a lot easier to make a play which is close to optimal when you know the other players' cards! Perfect information is quite useful!
When they had that super user cheating scandal on Ultimate Bet all those years ago, one of the players interviewed on 60 minutes succinctly said "If you can see everyone's cards in poker you could be the worst poker player in the world up against the best poker player in the world, and you're going to beat him almost every time"
Key is though, when you have that perfect information you will never make a play which is outright bad so it's easy for it to seem that you are playing perfectly since the smaller mistakes are often somewhat a matter of opinion.Comment -
a) this game was 1/3 $ game with bunch of random players
b) his 'perfect ' strategy is fairly simple :
- when noone has a real strong hand, bluff with the highest sizing possible, often all in to apply maximum pressure
- not bluff until you have seen all cards and are 100% sure of the outcome
- moderate sizings vs slightly weaker hands
- calling backdoors and weak hands preflop because you always know what to do even in multiway pots because you know hole cards
- folding 2nd best hands , often by leading small and folding to any resistance so minimizing losses
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he doesnt play anything close to perfect strategy. he calls preflop double all ins with 54. its easy to have correct bet sizing when you can see their cards. he bets a large amount when he wants a fold or a call from a strong hand and he bets a small amount when he wants a call from a weak hand.Comment -
Sounds like you guys don't think he needed to be too sharp to make all his plays.
Still, I think there is some possibility there was an exploit on the live stream server or card reader system, and someone off site completely was relaying advice and cards..Comment -
it is not possible to play like that. you can be no1 player in the world. Even those players are making mistakes , even those players win hands not in the optimal way . it is 100% sure he knew cards
and for me , game host is in it as well considering his commentary , as well as comments on allegations .
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so, have they figured out the exact means of the scam?
he have this guy dealing for him, or what?:
for the record, there are dealers that are that good..... my lovely wife was present at underground trny I was at, run by a "friend" of ours....
the friend, not knowing my wife played holdem, told the dealer of the final table during the second break "deal to the one" (one seat, another "friend" of ours) within earshot of my wife, not having a clue she heard him.....
called the fukker out on it after "the one" won the trny, and got my buyin back plus some other "goodies" not to blow the whole f'n thing out of the water.... never played another trny or cash game run by those f'n crooks.... but it's that bad everywhere......Comment -
I really doubt that lol - why on earth would you go through all that trouble? If you are going to pull a scam off like this with someone like Postle, and he isn't good enough to win by himself even with knowing everyone else's cards (when 99.9% of poker players would be able to), then you really ought to find a better scam partner haha.Comment -
There are 60 odd sessions they say he cheated in. Hundreds of hours avoiding detection and always making the right move and picking the perfect bet size.
It is not just Ingram harping on about the always perfect strategy and bet sizing in every session they audited. Veronica the whistleblower says the same thing is what tipped her over the edge. Never getting it wrong. And I don't think they are just exaggerating. They keep pointing it out. And Joey is auditing every hand and logging it in a spreadsheet. It would be weird if he was saying that when he knows otherwise.
Maybe I am under estimating my own ability to get the info, analyze it and act on it fast and NEVER get it wrong over so many hours. But it opened up the idea that he was not doing the analysis himself in my mind..Comment -
Dude, you are really overthinking this. Nobody is saying that he made the absolute perfect bet sizes in every spot (how would you even determine that?)
When they were bluffing he would either hero call knowing he was better or rebluff if his hand was worse or if it would look too fishy as a hero call. When they had weak holdings, he would bluff. When he had them coolered, he would bet big. When they had the same hand, he would overbet huge to get them off the chop. When he had a better hand vs a middling hand, he would try to bet an enticing amount where they would call
He didn't do anything special. Literally put everything I just said on a note card, memorize it, then do that. You're underestimating how absurdly easy that is when you can see the cards. The above is what he did
I mean, the guy's not amazing at poker, but he's been playing for well over a decade and I believe did actually make a legitimate living from it for years. Doing this stuff with full knowledge of the cards is pretty damn basicComment -
I don't think anyone that's been pouring over the videos actually thinks he plays perfect strategy considering he knows all the cards.
I can see how a lot of Joeys comments (and other people) can seem like that's what they mean, but it's not. People are just overly dramatic sometimes. I'm sure if we went and analyzed what the actual best play would be, considering you know everyones cards, we'd find tons of mistakes on his part - Even when he wasn't drinking or overly focused on sports.
Considering the way he discussed hands and the way he reacted when he was publicly accused I find it very hard to believe he's capable of playing poker at a high level in general.Comment -
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just was lost what was your point there thats why I ve asked.
agree ,it could be more people involved . However many people investigating this thing said the more people are getting involved the harder is is to keep it as a secret as well as the more people the less share they are getting. so just them two is also possibility
yes , fully agree with blankoblanco. nothing unusual there. Especially , considering his session when JFK was not available and he played bad poker.Comment -
I'm just glad that we've now confirmed JFK survived that nasty full frontal labotomy the cia gave him in dallas and found his way into the shady as fuk casino world.....Comment -
Thanks. Glad you can see where I am coming from.
I may be wrong, but a partner in a calm private location not just passing on the cards, but helping make decisions would not shock me.
Maybe JFK just needs to be there to facilitate the connection to that person. Maybe just rebroadcasting the feed he gets at his desk, rather than a trojan on the server as an example.
I dunno. The way the guy and his brother do seem sly but not particularly bright does not gel 100%.
Although on the flip side, I guess playing "perfect" every hand if you do know the cards and know its on video is also a pretty dumb strategy...
Less greed and more careful hand selection and this guy could have done this forever by the looks. He killed the cow that produced the milk!.Comment
