Bobbywaves vs no1here hand: Collusion/Chip Dump or no? You be the the judge

[cincinnatikid513]

You are so right on. If you weren't non pro I would throw you some points.

you have already admitted you dump hands on purpose to people, u dont't care about the world cup at all , folding for .01 is ok with 4500 in the pot and now u are having convos with a ghost of bobby or urself


it's ok relax don't pull a hurry and go off the deep end everything will be fine

[no1here]

First I have offer to take and pay for a lie detector test at the Bash. Second Donk was repeating several orders like call, call, call or something like that plus more while harassing us. Check down was not seen by me and likely in response to Donk.

Question for you buddy actually two? Should Donk be allowed to harass table that he is not playing on? and How many poker chips have I so called dumped to you by not playing out the hand?

Ok so wow. There is a lot to take in here and I want to cover this the right way. So let's stick to the only thing that matters, facts. We have a hand in which questionable behavior was exhibited. We believe there is collusion and there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that looks horrible for the two accused. Motive could easily be established.

But none of that matters. Because the one thing SBR can not ignore is that in that Hand one player instructed the other player in the hand how to play said hand. By instructing him to "check down" the rules were clearly violated..

No matter whether live cash nor live tournament the dealer in any casino would of promptly called a floor manager. That floor manager would of after review ruled the hand dead, all players involved would of been refunded their loses and at absolute bare minimum the two players in question would of been removed if only for at least day.

A ban is in order and the days results for those two as in regards to where they placed should be removed. This ban would by SBR rules remove Bobby from eligibility for the world cup contest. I also think Drew you should appease the community by checking both players logs if even for a few weeks to see if they had done this before.

[cincinnatikid513]

First I have offer to take and pay for a lie detector test at the Bash.

Question for you buddy and How many poker chips have I so called dumped to you by not playing out the hand?

[hhsilver]

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He and waves were regular flipping pals for a long time before the ban , so i decided to take a look at his log.

This is the entirety of his transfers from poker after the flipping ban early in the year. ( go to his log and search 'poker' )

Look at those times - all 12:02 or 12:01 am : dates are ALL Monday mornings - just after midnight when omaha tables close. Those who are at a table can continue playing but you cannot leave and get back in. How can one do rollover and come out with 1 pt so many times ??

Can mods or tech staff zero in on those times/dates to see what happened.

I am surprised that nobody seems interested in the above. I know it does not mention bw, but I looked it up because they were longtime flip pals. Just wondering what might have been happening to cause the log we see above.

All 6 times are 1 or 2 secs after midnight on a sunday night - that seems strange.

But what is stranger is how much was put into his regular point wallet on exit from table. Have any of you ever finished a rollover and quit with 1 point left even once ? Here we see it happened 6 times ! I believe that if you exit with 1 point before completing rollover the system gives you the point - maybe because there is no table where you can buy in for <5. I doubt if what we see in the log indicates completed rollover.

And just as strange. Other than those 7 pts from 6 sessions , the total of his poker cashouts after the flipping ban early in the year is zerp (0) !
( enter poker into the search field in his log and get all his poker activity )


I'll ask what I asked above -
can mods or tech staff zero in on those times/dates to see what happened?

[Auto Donk]

harass.... no1here should go to work for cnn.... only that shithole network tried to float total bullshit narratives.....

well, them, and msnbc.... and abc, and nbc, and cbs

[no1here]

Donk You name yourself correctly. Surely Bobby has regrets having done nothing but I don't. For you to be harassing him now for about two years or longer You must be mentally deranged. What is your problem and why can't you shut up? If you ever visit another one of my tables I will scream Bloody Hell in here. Stay away from me and Bobby!

pretty sure he's regretting getting mixed up with a loser like waves at this point.....

waves is simply bad news.... he scams his way through life....

i remember his pathetic angleshooting with even his state unemployment office, trying to do as little as possible by way of job searches (asking if callin' his old employer who FIRED him once a week counted as one of his three required weekly "job searches" to be paid unemployment benefits) but still suck on the tax payer's hind tit......

banning him from this promo is certainly the right thing to do.....

[Auto Donk]

I am surprised that nobody seems interested in the above. I know it does not mention bw, but I looked it up because they were longtime flip pals. Just wondering what might have been happening to cause the log we see above.

All 6 times are 1 or 2 secs after midnight on a sunday night - that seems strange.

But what is stranger is how much was put into his regular point wallet on exit from table. Have any of you ever finished a rollover and quit with 1 point left even once ? Here we see it happened 6 times ! I believe that if you exit with 1 point before completing rollover the system gives you the point - maybe because there is no table where you can buy in for <5. I doubt if what we see in the log indicates completed rollover.

And just as strange. Other than those 7 pts from 6 sessions , the total of his poker cashouts after the flipping ban early in the year is zerp (0) !
( enter poker into the search field in his log and get all his poker activity )


I'll ask what I asked above -
can mods or tech staff zero in on those times/dates to see what happened?

we alreadfy know the scoop.... bubble pussy was taking all of a candadian member's chips b/c they can't use them in canada, and doing some sort of shady side deal with the guy....

should get a lifetime ban for that.....

f'n waves....

total f'n disgrace.....

[Auto Donk]

Donk You name yourself correctly. Surely Bobby has regrets having done nothing but I don't. For you to be harassing him now for about two years or longer You must be mentally deranged. What is your problem and why can't you shut up? If you ever visit another one of my tables I will scream Bloody Hell in here. Stay away from me and Bobby!

you and bobby.....

dude, you're killing me.....




ps, dumbass, i declared a moratorium on his ass and have rarely mentioned him over the past year......

you are so full of bullshit (bullying, harrassment, spilled milk, "necessity", etc. etc. etc.) that no one can take you serious.....

go to bed old man

[cincinnatikid513]

Stay away from me and Bobby!

[no1here]

He knew that he had something very important to say and was totally correct. Completely Spot On! only in this case Donk was being a nuisance and I got frustrated spilling my Dinner Milk that Opti finds humerous instead of truthful. I was delaying the game AND THEY WERE BITCHING so I folded knowing hand was a loser anyhow. Arsunsh and Donk both state everything cool if Bobby had winning hand but Mods choose to stretch the story. All the true facts have not been seen by me yet but still on 2nd page. Maybe you people were inform of all but likely not.

No horse in the fight here as I’ve said time and time again, met BW at 2015 bash and was very cordial to me. Assuming since no1 was at a bash our paths probably crossed as well. It does seem suspect so I voted accordingly What I do find interesting is a poster who was caught with a ghost account trying to avoid repaying a loan saying anything about anybody. Funny shit

[ArunSh]

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I am surprised that nobody seems interested in the above. I know it does not mention bw, but I looked it up because they were longtime flip pals. Just wondering what might have been happening to cause the log we see above.

All 6 times are 1 or 2 secs after midnight on a sunday night - that seems strange.

But what is stranger is how much was put into his regular point wallet on exit from table. Have any of you ever finished a rollover and quit with 1 point left even once ? Here we see it happened 6 times ! I believe that if you exit with 1 point before completing rollover the system gives you the point - maybe because there is no table where you can buy in for <5. I doubt if what we see in the log indicates completed rollover.

And just as strange. Other than those 7 pts from 6 sessions , the total of his poker cashouts after the flipping ban early in the year is zerp (0) !
( enter poker into the search field in his log and get all his poker activity )


I'll ask what I asked above -
can mods or tech staff zero in on those times/dates to see what happened?

we alreadfy know the scoop.... bubble pussy was taking all of a candadian member's chips b/c they can't use them in canada, and doing some sort of shady side deal with the guy....

should get a lifetime ban for that.....

f'n waves....

total f'n disgrace.....

Care to make a comment about this bobby? There is no doubt this "poker cashout" history of the poster in question looks very suspicious. Unlike the hand vs no1here though, I didn't personally witness anything so I won't make a direct comment. But it seems like others who did witness something are implying this chip dumping incident with no1here was not an isolated incident by you.

You were very quick to deny that the incident with no1here was dumping so would like to hear what you have to say about this other accusation as well. More specifically: did you ever play a hand in a cash game with this fellow where it was raised allin preflop for all but 1 or 0.01 chips, or something similar to that, which was then followed by him folding on the flop - effectively dumping his chips to you and helping you roll over without actually playing? This is something that the SBR heads can easily verify if it happened so be careful before you try to deny it instantly.

If a hand of that nature did happen recently then please tell us what your explanation for it is. Did the person in question just preemptively fold for 1 or 0.01 chips into a 100+ chip pot since they "knew" they were beat? Or did they spill milk on their computer at an inopportune moment like no1here? I look forward to your response.

[qwertvt]

Do we know what Bobby had? I had ace jack I believe. Took him for a king!

You couldn’t possibly put him on a pair of Kings if he checked .01 when a K hit the turn.

Your hand was A K Q J 9 with one card to go.

You had 10s (4) and at least one over card giving you 3 more outs.

7 outs, perhaps 10 if the J was viable, with astronomical pot odds. Just .01 to call if needed. No way.

I am really tired, it’s late at night for me, so someone please check my hand analysis. A fold; however, is too bizarre to believe.

....Question is why does Bobby need DEFENDING AT ALL? Why can't the Mods do their job?

The Mods did do their job.

[no1here]

Here's a guy well composed!

Got your PM as well. Don’t recall saying you’re Astro at all. Don’t really care who you are. I would suggest a lower carb lifestyle. Been doing it for about 8 months now and done wonders for me. Unless you’re about 7’5 300lbs is a bit much

[no1here]

Were you not bitching to hurry it up? type was real big then turn real small, do you need it reposted?

Im annoyed at how small that type is.... can't read it.....

if you didn't have waves beat, that will go a long way toward resolving the issue unless you were just outright chip dumpin'... for your sake and waves', I hope you are right.

edit: got a magnifying glass and read your story. Oh, now I see you could have beat him on the river..... Sorry, looks like a dump and a fold so as not to suckout in typical sbr fashion and donk your pal waves.....

nobody folds for a fukkin' penny....

[no1here]

I can prove new carpet last month. I said milk not knowing if drank or drink was proper. I thought MILK was Funny and so do you. I figure story would make you happy wrecking my new carpet. Are you sticking with all cool if Booby had winning hand or not? There's another one for you.

I didn't even read all his shit, after "spilled milk", but then he tried to justify the play as "out of necessity", which is total bullshit (1 fukkin' penny) and UNREASONABLE......

BAN EM BOTH......

[no1here]

As Opti has done read whatever you want into it but what I have said is that I am that good that I know when beaten, therefore I speed up the game by folding. I have done this to you as well many times I suspect! Have I ever folded pocket aces? Yes! If he's a broke bitch needing some chips to play with, so what! God rewards me with no condemnation ever.

So you are admitting that you you folded to "help" him? Whether solicited or not, that is 100% chip dumping and is enough that you should be banned from poker for sure. Chip dumping in a tournament or a cash game is absolutely illegal as it can affect the other players in the game. So you aren't helping yourself by saying that lol.




If you posted just the milk explanation that could have been semi-plausible (though I still would not believe it), but adding this nonsense in about "doing extraordinary things" and "knowing that you were beat" given the chips involved and so forth frankly just makes you look completely foolish as that is just utter total nonsense from every angle.





Once again you essentially admit that you dumped chips to him, perhaps without his knowledge. That again should get you banned immediately from poker for sure.

So you had him beat until the turn card, and you somehow also know you only had three outs on the river (which if true makes your fold even more absurd). But how do you know these things? Only way you could know that is if you and waves were sharing your hole cards with each other (whether during or after the hand). Pretty impressive for you to somehow share/get that information with someone who you've "never spoken to at a table or at the forum".

[cincinnatikid513]

As Opti has done read whatever you want into it but what I have said is that I am that good that I know when beaten, therefore I speed up the game by folding. I have done this to you as well many times I suspect! Have I ever folded pocket aces? Yes! If he's a broke bitch needing some chips to play with, so what! God rewards me with no condemnation ever.

cash games u can get away with more questionable plays most places don't even make u show ur cards on all ins u can just muck them, but tournaments are different if u want to play tournaments u have to play by the rules u can't just dump chips to waves because he is ur friend and u feel bad that donk is mean to him

[no1here]

I am a 67 year old man with a head totally fried, do you have an issue with that?

Is No1here six years old? He tells a completely unbelievable story and then changes it a couple of times.

After that spilt milk story....I definitely think a ban is warranted.

[cincinnatikid513]

I am a 67 year old man with a head totally fried, do you have an issue with that?

are u waves father by any chance

[no1here]

I believe that I had ace jack off,

I am not attacking you no1 but it would be helpful if you posted your hand history for the showdown at issue.

[ArunSh]

I have done this to you as well many times I suspect! If he's a broke bitch needing some chips to play with, so what!

Once again, you are flat out admitting to dumping to people and many times at that which is absolutely against the rules. As I said in an earlier post, with this admission your ban should be lengthened to far beyond only one month without question - at least in my opinion anyway.

[no1here]

YOU NEED TO BE LOOKING AT PAST HANDS. WE ARE BOTH WINNERS EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE AGAINST EACH OTHER!!! In fact Bobby is one of very few that I have not folded on ever. Your optional welcomes my folds and at one time my betpoints. You find no talk ever in poker or forum except for one past loan that I asked for a couple years back between Bobby and me. I TALK WITH NOBODY HERE!!! Do I help many? Yes I do! Years ago I past out thousands. Not so much anymore finding most to be jerks. I like nobody here including you and Bobby! God says that it is none of my business what you think of me. Poker here sucks now and many been flopping mostly early on. Are your eyes not open? It is YOU that has destroyed poker here where as nobody gives a crap anymore. Do you not know that the world's cup is racist? POKER WILL NEVER BE THE SAME HERE!!!

Why do you not understand the harassment we were encountering causing me to spill my drink? Of course I am going to soak it up immediately. Would you not? Do you wish not to believe me as Opti does and also find it funny as he does.

I DO NOT FIND IT FUNNY THE HARASSMENT DISHED OUT BY DONK. If you are not going to stop it then say so! Poker sucks here badly as well as the forum filled with so much nonsense. I am 67 and here to learn but good knowledge is extremely rare with MOST threads carrying BULLYING. JJ is on the receiving end constantly is he not? Most find it funny but deep down it's hurts. SBR must Stop it and Stop it now!

We will be looking into the hands soon. If in fact we discover there was chip dumping of any kind those parties will be banned from World Cup play and possibly all Future Poker events.

[cincinnatikid513]

grandpa needs a xanax asap

[no1here]

The turn had come being a king killing my hand, I was on my knees with the computer beeping so the fold was no issue at that point.

Earlier you were claiming that you spilled milk and had to deal with it right away so the carpet would not be ruined - that was your explanation for the fold. Now you keep harping about "knowing you have a losing hand". Which one is it, I'm curious - please stick to one story at least.

[4uk4life]

[convick]

grandpa needs a xanax asap

He said he doesn't like Bobby. Where are those posts you quoted before showing how much he doesn't like him?

[cincinnatikid513]

He said he doesn't like Bobby. Where are those posts you quoted before showing how much he doesn't like him?

try the early pages of the thread no1here defends waves biggly

[qwertvt]

I believe that I had ace jack off,

There are two issues:

First is the ban. See my post, #257, and view it from an objective point of view.

Second is abuse. People can be brutal on this board and you don’t seem to be handling it well. Just relax and stop posting in the poker forum for awhile. Don’t take things personally. You also seem to contradict yourself. To put it bluntly, your all over the place. Just stop explaining and sit back and go easy.

I think what you did was wrong but I don’t hate you for it. Take the ban and stop trying to prove yourself. Your probably a decent guy but arguing that point will just get you more upset by inviting more hard nose replies.

Read my hand analysis in post 257. As for all the name calling, forget about it and grab some sleep. This will blow over if you lay low for awhile.

PS - you should probably state you had A J os or offsuit. The quoted language above can be interpreted in a different way.

[no1here]

Let me guess, the first one was a claim started by triple_D_bet? Now Bobby plays NO PART and gets two months. You're bans are childish and totally wrong. So it remains OK for Donk to torment players especially at tables that he's not at.

Please confirm A-j for my hand and what did Bobby have?

Guys we have researched this case (not the first involving bobbywaves) and we have come to a decision. bobbywaves is banned from the World Cup Poker Event as is no1here. Secondly bobbywaves is banned from poker for 2 months and no1here banned for a month.
We made our Poker rules clear earlier this year that no chip dumping/ foul play will be tolerated. Collusion of any kind is not welcome at the poker tables. Thank you

[cincinnatikid513]

this thread will go down as an all time classic


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[convick]

try the early pages of the thread no1here defends waves biggly

I saw them pal, was kindly asking you to repost them.

[no1here]

This is BULLYING! Once again he had no knowledge!

See ya next time you fukin cheat

[Optional]

As opti and others can tell you I am known for weird hands.

True.

Just own what you did, take the lumps and move on.

We all know you are good at heart. (well I think most know)

[BarkingToad]

Wow, what frauds!

[cincinnatikid513]

I like nobody here including you and Bobby!

Originally Posted by no1here
You're trolling Bobby and he has absolutely done nothing to you. You need to grow up! Shut up at least! Stop your crap as we don't need it here.

Mods this guy deserves a trolling badge!!!

Originally Posted by no1here
Whore attention freaks using Bobby's frame to fulfilled their craving. (Couple surprises here to me) Really guys, why the need?


Originally Posted by no1here
Originally posted on 06/25/2018:

Don't agree at all and don't believe that you have a chance in hell of beating Bobby in anything. Show me one year where Bobby wasn't up at the top for poker tourneys won or show me ONE bad sports call that he made. There isn't any. You, I don't know but willing to bet you have several bad calls and have never stood out to me in poker. Again I don't even know you!

But willing to bet that your sportsbook balance here is in the RED.

You seem to be no different then so many here being simply jealous of him. Not any of you ONLINE mouths can state anything specific that he has done to You. You're just being a Jerk!

Originally Posted by bobbywaves
No1here is a gr8 poker player.

You're a newbie, you have no clue what No1here has done here.