Don't Trust Other Posters On The Forum

[No coincidences]

Coug takes his posting a little more seriously than most. That's not meant as a slight, just an honest observation.

Yeah, well, I can't really judge anyone on that. I tend to get wrapped up in it as well.

There are two kinds of Internet posters basically: one who looks for honest responses and is trustworthy of others for the most part, and one who likes to dick around constantly and couldn't give a shit less about throwing people under the bus. Of course some have a little of both in them, but if Cougar is more the former than the latter, I know how he feels because I'm the same way. I'm not really interested in being deceptive or lying about who I am and what I do, but that doesn't always mix well with those among us who are.

I think the former look to SBR for a certain level of protection and authority to keep this place on the level, not just vs. the books but each other. When that doesn't happen, well, it makes this place annoying at best and unbearable at worst.

[No coincidences]

It's been discussed and posted on the forum but honestly I don't feel like spending the 4 minutes I'd need to find it.

Basically SBR's goal is to provide great information on sportsbooks, odds and free picks and to provide a social community for players that can enjoy the community and play in free high money football and poker contests. Add to that the video insights for both the industry as well as handicapping games each week.

Seems to be working pretty good but obviously doesn't do it for everyone.

In a macro sense, this is exactly the response I would expect. And for all intents and purposes, it rings true.

The stuff that goes on in the trenches is what has made this place slip. I don't know if that's what Cougar is referring to, but it's no coincidence that many quality, old school posters are now nowhere to be found. Cougar would just be the latest in a long line.

[DrStale]

When you're giving more than you're getting it's time to re-evaluate things. BOL Cougs.

[opie1988]

Coug is a very loyal guy. I think more than anything it's hard to be loyal to two forums that are basically in competition with one another. I realize that's not totally the case with us & GL...but you know what I mean.

I have no real issue with GL. It just makes for a fun rivalry. I even kinda like bi-Archie if you want me to be completely honest.

Coug is a sensitive guy. I am as well, just at different type of things. I know he invests a ton o time here and at GL, so I'm well aware that you sometimes wonder exactly what the fukk you're getting out of that investment.

[No coincidences]

I'm well aware that you sometimes wonder exactly what the fukk you're getting out of that investment.

If you don't ask that from time to time, you seriously have something wrong with you.

[stealthyburrito]

In a macro sense, this is exactly the response I would expect. And for all intents and purposes, it rings true.

The stuff that goes on in the trenches is what has made this place slip. I don't know if that's what Cougar is referring to, but it's no coincidence that many quality, old school posters are now nowhere to be found. Cougar would just be the latest in a long line.

I see what you did there

[shari91]

I see what you did there

[SBR_John]

In a macro sense, this is exactly the response I would expect. And for all intents and purposes, it rings true.

The stuff that goes on in the trenches is what has made this place slip. I don't know if that's what Cougar is referring to, but it's no coincidence that many quality, old school posters are now nowhere to be found. Cougar would just be the latest in a long line.

That's actually not true. The forum averages nearly 30% growth for many years. And that at a time when our competitors are experiencing negative growth. The fact is, as I measure SBR, this place is better than ever. I am aware as we grow some folks do not get the same level of attention. Not much I can do about that.

[No coincidences]

That's actually not true. The forum averages nearly 30% growth for many years. And that at a time when our competitors are experiencing negative growth. The fact is, as I measure SBR, this place is better than ever. I am aware as we grow some folks do not get the same level of attention. Not much I can do about that.

What's not true? Did you even read my post? If you judge SBR by sheer traffic, yes it's growing and yes it's successful. But the quality of post and poster here is slipping big-time.

Like I said to JJ, it's a numbers game now and quantity takes any and all priority over quality. No surprise -- just the nature of the beast as SBR shifts from a ma and pa store to Wal-Mart.

You may consider this place "better than ever," and when it comes to the bottom line -- traffic -- I'm sure it's true. But if you evaluate SBR by the type of people that are regulars now vs. even, say, two years ago, I don't know how you can say this place is "better than ever" with a straight face. Again, though, I'm looking at it from a completely different perspective than you.

Bigger doesn't always = better.

[ApricotSinner32]

Not reading all this girly drama nonsense it's the internet for christ sakes grow up people.

[Swinging Johnson]

Cougar, came a bit late to this party I'm afraid but it's your passion that we love man. The fukkin freight train full of steam barreling down the side of a mountain with no reservations, no fear and no regrets. It's that passion that makes you a dynamite poster because you're real. We relate to you. You're the guy who who tips over the table because you lost a bet but then agrees to pay for the damage afterwards.

Opie has it right, you take posting more seriously than most but that's not a criticism, just a statement of fact. Hey if you hang out someplace as often as we do, why not want to improve things you feel need improving? You're a good guy BD, I hope, we all hope, you reconsider pal.

[No coincidences]

Not reading all this girly drama nonsense it's the internet for christ sakes grow up people.

And yet you felt the need to comment.

Given your track record as a stiff, why does this not surprise me.

[No coincidences]

You're the guy who who tips over the table because you lost a bet but then agrees to pay for the damage afterwards.

Well put SJ.

[The Kraken]

Bigger is better for SBR. John views SBR and more specifically SBRmarketing differently than you and even I do, NoCo. I bust Johns balls a bit here and there, mainly for fun, but he's running a business and a quality one at that. And when you're in the marketing business, bigger is always better. You think the books paying john to be affiliates care if it's MDC and/or MF'er posting here? They'll take 20 squares over 2 sharps any day.

NC, lets forget about everything you think SBR is and get to what it really is. It's a business for John to make money. In the process of this, he provides a medium for like minded individuals to exchange ideas, learn about sportsbooks, gambling and discuss sports in general. That's it.

Now carefully follow the money trail and ask yourself who pays SBR's bills and why? Who- sportsbooks by advertising through SBRmarketing John. You by paying to be pro. You by being pro and playing at affiliate books, win or lose, John gets a piece. So, on to the Why- the most important part. Easy, it's exposure. Marketing 101. AKA quantity or "numbers". Books get great exposure here to a lot of square degens constantly reloading and according to John this site is growing 30% annually. So it's a win-win.

NoCo, lets do an experiment. Call up Tony @ 5d and tell him the quality of posters here at SBR is lacking. Tell him Cougar Bait left with some along with others and the site isn't as good as it used to be. And then wait and see how long before you see that 5dimes banner disappear from the top of the screen. I'll give you a tip, don't hold your breath. These books are paying good money to advertise here for a good reason.

This is the business NC. And honestly, a pretty damned good one.

[No coincidences]

Bigger is better for SBR. John views SBR and more specifically SBRmarketing differently than you and even I do, NoCo. I bust Johns balls a bit here and there, mainly for fun, but he's running a business and a quality one at that. And when you're in the marketing business, bigger is always better. You think the books paying john to be affiliates care if it's MDC and/or MF'er posting here? They'll take 20 squares over 2 sharps any day.

NC, lets forget about everything you think SBR is and get to what it really is. It's a business for John to make money. In the process of this, he provides a medium for like minded individuals to exchange ideas, learn about sportsbooks, gambling and discuss sports in general. That's it.

Now carefully follow the money trail and ask yourself who pays SBR's bills and why? Who- sportsbooks by advertising through SBRmarketing John. You by paying to be pro. You by being pro and playing at affiliate books, win or lose, John gets a piece. So, on to the Why- the most important part. Easy, it's exposure. Marketing 101. AKA quantity or "numbers". Books get great exposure here to a lot of square degens constantly reloading and according to John this site is growing 30% annually. So it's a win-win.

NoCo, lets do an experiment. Call up Tony @ 5d and tell him the quality of posters here at SBR is lacking. Tell him Cougar Bait left with some along with others and the site isn't as good as it used to be. And then wait and see how long before you see that 5dimes banner disappear from the top of the screen. I'll give you a tip, don't hold your breath. These books are paying good money to advertise here for a good reason.

This is the business NC. And honestly, a pretty damned good one.

I don't disagree with any of this -- but it doesn't change what SBR has had to sacrifice in the process.

[The Kraken]

Maybe so, but I assume it's an acceptable sacrifice to John, seeing as his business is growing by 30% yearly. And all businesses make sacrifices. He's doing something right.

[Cougar Bait]

This was a complicated decision and not something I didn't struggle with making. I sent out numerous emails to other posters over the last month or two, detailing my frustrations, Opie and JJ being two of them. Certain things about the site do bother me but in the end this is less about this site and more about me, and nothing to do with gamelive. I rarely post there anyway. Again Opie I apologize for the way I spoke to you the other night. That was out of character for me and undeserved. When I evaluated everything I realized I was completely wrong for acting in such a manner. Sometimes you have to just look in the mirror.

Was good to see Swinger, that's kinda what I was waiting for.

[horja1]

This is just a general statement, for anyone who is willing to listen. You don't have friends here. You have internet "buddies" and that's pretty much it. There are no alliances, there are no "circles of trust" or anything else. This is merely a warning that regardless of what you hear from a poster in a phone conversation or what you believe to be true about the forum, just recognize that you are an individual posting on a gambling forum and nothing more unless they are sending a check to your address, at which point you become a "poster" who tows the party line.

I think everyone here knows this and a lot of people actually come here because of this: people with gambling problems and no money will always cheat/lie/scam to get some points/cash and where is it easier to do it and not get punished for doing it?

[daimoshokage]

CougarSHIT = ATTENTION WHORE!!!!

[daimoshokage]

You will not be missed you fukking drama queen.. Don't let the door hit you..

NOW GTFO YOU FUKKING CRYBABY PIECE OF SHIT!!! NEVER RETURN!!!

[Boner_18]

Thanks for the good times cougar. Your cooking vids were one of the most innovative vids/posts in the game, im inspired to one day replicate the idea. I will hold the points you generously gave to me for if you come back... But I cannot promise for how long.

Now everyone bang Tim Smyczek (+105) at the US Open

[Matt Rain]

It's over

In a week it won't matter

Hell, in 3 days it won't matter

But I WAS HERE

I DID MATTER

I MADE SOME GOD AWFUL VIDEOS AND I LOVED IT

And I hope everyone else did too

This wasn't an easy decision, but I think the right one

your a homo

call me

[Matt Rain]

Coug is a very loyal guy. I think more than anything it's hard to be loyal to two forums that are basically in competition with one another. I realize that's not totally the case with us & GL...but you know what I mean.

I have no real issue with GL. It just makes for a fun rivalry. I even kinda like bi-Archie if you want me to be completely honest.

Coug is a sensitive guy. I am as well, just at different type of things. I know he invests a ton o time here and at GL, so I'm well aware that you sometimes wonder exactly what the fukk you're getting out of that investment.

LOL? There is no rivalry at all. GL lacks any kind of commercial ambition, or ambition period. We goof off. That's what we do.

Only reason GL exists is because SBR_John is easily confused.

[daimoshokage]

Saloon this SHIT!!!!!!!!!

[keyboarding]

Anyway, if you want to see things change, leaving isn't the way to go about it. Ask yourself what Rosa Parks would do

I don't really know you, Cougar, but you've always seemed like a decent guy. But what do I know, you could be a serial killer.

Leaving isn't going to change anything.

[SBR_John]

LOL? There is no rivalry at all. GL lacks any kind of commercial ambition, or ambition period. We goof off. That's what we do.

Only reason GL exists is because SBR_John is easily confused.

Pretty much sums up the mentality of GL. They have "no ambition" is an excuse that translates into, don't look like this shat is ever going anywhere fuk lets just call it a hobby. The John is confused part is a interesting new angle. Usually its John is just lucky. Reminds me of Obama's 'You didn't build that business..'. LOL

[frizzelli]

I think is funny how GL has Asian sport scores to increase site hits because it's a failing forum but on paper it looks like high traffic.

[daimoshokage]

I think is funny how GL has Asian sport scores to increase site hits because it's a failing forum but on paper it looks like high traffic.

STFU! You fukking worthless dipshit!

[frizzelli]

STFU! You fukking worthless dipshit!

You are literally to vietmese and retarded to argue with.

[raydog]

I think is funny how GL has Asian sport scores to increase site hits because it's a failing forum but on paper it looks like high traffic.

frizz are you banned from there or something? just curious, obviously, you dont fit in, but why do you have the biggest hard on for the place... its borderline unhealthy, kid... all you do is scream profanities and talk trash about it and the people over there... fwiw, when a sites goal is to entertain instead of make money, it can hardly be characterized as a failing forum.

cougar, this is very childish and accomplishes absolutely nothing unless you address the specific issues you have had with the mods... enlighten people as to why you made this decision and perhaps the members and mgmt can make things better...as it stands, you simply look pretty fukkin silly with this crybaby shit

[frizzelli]

frizz are you banned from there or something? just curious, obviously, you dont fit in, but why do you have the biggest hard on for the place... its borderline unhealthy, kid... all you do is scream profanities and talk trash about it and the people over there... fwiw, when a sites goal is to entertain instead of make money, it can hardly be characterized as a failing forum.

cougar, this is very childish and accomplishes absolutely nothing unless you address the specific issues you have had with the mods... enlighten people as to why you made this decision and perhaps the members and mgmt can make things better...as it stands, you simply look pretty fukkin silly with this crybaby shit

Raygoof stick to being a 58 year old clown who stalks 20 year old dudes on Facebook pal. You don't fit in on SBR so why post. I was simply pointing out how GL inflates their numbers.

[Matt Rain]

The John is confused part is a interesting new angle.

I was trying to be polite. (Last time I called you a redneck fucktard, I was banned.)

[Brock Landers]

what a clusterfuk this thread turned into

[The Kraken]

Fukk you broke dickk goofy fukc landers.

[Chi_archie]

what happened?