Basics on defending a goal on a break away
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Maybe Deuce can get you a tryout for the wings coach.Comment -
Solid instructional video.Comment -
Very simple, I had no stick or anything but you guys got the idea.Comment -
jj
nicky should know better not to come out of the box while defending in pucksComment -
lol this guy is an idiot. he knows nothing about hockey. u do come out on a breakawayComment -
Americans dont know anything about goaltending.
French canadians are the best. and i hate quebecers.
Patrick Roy, Felix Potvin, these guys are great.
ya have to cut down the angle coach.
ya come out everytime on a breakaway. Stay in the net and you can pick any corner.Comment -
it really shows that jj doesnt know a lick of hockeyComment -
slicker, you are defintely being sarcastic, right? now i know you're just being funny.. i will never take anything you say serioulsy again, if you are serious.
jj, tell me you were joking? that had to be the dumbest thing i have ever seen.. i swear to GOD.. everything you said in those 6 min was completely opposite of the truth.. you have NO IDEA wtf you are even talking about.. if you stay in the crease and face 10 breakaways against me, i swear, i will score 8 of 10, or i give you 200 bucks.. you HAVE TO come out a bit and cut the angle, or you make it too easy for me.. and jj, in the last 20 seconds, you are saying how a goalie should defend, and the whole time, you are holding stick with 2 hands. i have NEVER EVER seen a goalie hold a stick with 2 hands.. lol.. jj, in all honesty, dont even go there with hockey. i have nver in my whole life seen anyone so freakin clueless about hockey than you.. i couldnt stop laughing at how dumb your advice was. wait till pucker sees this.. he will laugh too. NOTHING THAT YOU SAID WAS ACCURATE.. NOTHING.. NOTHING NOTHING...
JJ, DONT EVER PLAY HOCKEY AGAIN, PLEASE. YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OR SENSE OF THE GAME.. YOU CAN TELL YOU NEVER PLAYED IT EVER.
THANKS FOR THE LAUGH JJGOLDComment -
lol he was catching with both hands too lolComment -
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Offensive players have a huge advantage when the goalie leaves the net
Newbies never leave the net!!!Comment -
Thanks Slicker
Now that was a goalie, he stayed home and had good rhythm, if I had the equip I would be similar to that techniqueComment -
its so funny cuz this guy was dead serious. i dont think he ever watched a hockey game in my lifeComment -
so i guess a professional hockey player is terrible since he was 5 feet out of his crease to stop that breakaway huh?Comment -
what a jackazzComment -
Lol...JJ has shown his skills in football, baseball, basketball, weightlifting, dancing, hockey and coaching.
He is well rounded in many areas of athletics.Comment -
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Playing goaltender is all about staying on your angles, and controlling rebounds. Very simple in theory, very complex in practice.Comment -
both sides are right, there are times to stay at home on a break away, and times to go out and cut down angle.... some goalies may be better ant one particular style vs another....
for sure you come out a bit and cut down the angle, but wether you really wanna challenge goes both ways....
love the videoComment -
I've actually played goalie... have you JJ?Comment -
JJ makes some excellent points.
How about a video on field goal kicking? Go to the local high school field and do it on location like Nicky does.Comment -
Gummo I am limited with camera that is problem, if I had someone to tape me I could do lots more.
Blackjack I knew you would understand, solid post. I know what I am talking about here, way too many myths that are en grained in goalies heads to come out of net al the time on .
Things need to change with goaltenders because coming out is not as effective as you think.Comment -
If the play is in the area of the blue line, I think you have an edge by advancing, the angle of the net you cover with a square inch is much higher than if you are right at the goal line.Comment -
In part the goalies choice should be based upon who is charging at them rather than blatantly "go out to cut down the angle".
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Today Action I knew I liked you man, Nicky thinks every single breakaway the goalie is suppose to fly out.
Nicky loved the kid in the video because he just flew out of net and Nicky had easy scores.
Nicky knows I am right toComment -
The key to a breakaway is to match the speed of the guy coming at you. If the goaltender backs up too quick he is vulnerable to a quick wrist shot in the corners, if he backs up too slowly he is vulnerable to a quick deke around the net. Shooter's usually have a plan in their head on which they want to go, deke or shot. So sometimes the goalie gets lucky and guesses right sometimes not and he looks like a jackass.Originally posted by TodaysActionIn part the goalies choice should be based upon who is charging at them rather than blatantly "go out to cut down the angle".Comment -
jj, come on man... you know hockey is my sport.. you know this from back in the days at MW.. jj, if a goalie stayed in his crease all game, his goals against avg would be over 8.75.. i guarantee this.. of course a goalie should never leave his crease by more than 10 feet.. and of course they dont skate out halfway to the blueline.. but by the goalie staying in his crease at all times, he will only leave the whole net open with holes all over.. if a goalie comes out 10 feet, he covers all the angles and the shooter no longer has anything to shoot at.. come on jj.. you can argue all you want about baskets, football or even baseball, but don't fight with me over hockey stuff man.. it's like me telling you how to do electrical stuff, or fencing stuff. you know your sht inside out there, and i dont know anywhere as much as you do..
jj, this will solve everything.. next time you watch an nhl game, watch the goalie closely on a breakaway, and watch how he will NEVER stay inside his crease.. he will always come out a bit to challenge the player... but he wont come out too far.. just about 8 feet from the goal mouth. always.. and then you will know that i was right.Comment -
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Stopping the breakaway
By Mitch Korn
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Learn to discern a real move from a fake.
Every goaltender and goaltending coach has his or her own theory on how to play the breakaway. Regardless of the approach, the bottom line is to stop the puck.
Certainly, every goalie will play off his strengths. A goaltender who is good on dekes will come out of his net a little farther and force the player to make a move. Conversely, a goaltender weaker on dekes will stay back a bit and take his chances with a shot. Certain goaltenders’ strengths might include the use of poke checks, or stacking the pads. It’s important to know your strengths—and use them—but also to work hard on your weaknesses so they don’t bring you down.
Most coaches use the famous old cliché, “Don’t make the first move!” In truth, it’s not that the goaltender actually makes the first move, it’s just that he buys the shooter’s first fake, and reacts. He simply doesn’t show enough patience. Practice, and “goaltending sense” developed from experience, will eventually help goalies discern the real move from a fake.
Three steps in net
In general, a goalie confronting the breakaway follows a three-step approach.
Come out extra far. As soon as the goaltender recognizes a breakaway, he should come out well above the top of the goal crease and get set. This leaves little angle for a shot, and will force a player to deke.
Back up. When the player reaches the top of the circles, the goaltender begins his backward motion. The gap between the goalie and shooter should close slowly.
Make a save selection. Whether it’s a stack of the pads, a half butterfly, or just getting hit in the chest, a decision based on the situation and visual cues must be made.
Visual Clues & Helpful Hints
Here are some things to consider in making your choices against a breakaway skater:
Where is the puck being carried by the shooter? If it’s in front, a deke is likely. If it’s on the side, there is a good chance the player will shoot.
Remember that an “off-side wing” (a right-hander down the left wing, or **** versa) has more angle to shoot than an “on side” wing.
Normally on a deke, the final move will occur after the shooter’s skates cross the hash marks in the slot. Anything earlier is likely to be a fake.
A way to tell when the shooter is ready to “make a move” is if he plants his feet, stops skating and begins to glide. The wider his feet get, the less options and lateral mobility he has.
On a deke, players go to their backhand most often.
Players will try all kinds of hand, puck, head and shoulder fakes to get the goaltender to move or commit. While the goaltender must follow the puck, the direction of the player’s chest or midsection can often show to which side he’s going. Isn’t that what defensemen are taught, too?
What Not to Do
Don’t back in too slow, or the player will go around you. But don’t back in too fast, either, because then the net opens up for a shot. Coaches often tell goalies to back up “at the same speed” as the shooter—but that’s not really possible. If one tried, by the time the shooter reached the hash marks, the goalie would be in the third row of seats! In truth, the “gap” between the shooter and the stopper should be closed slowly.
Don’t get any deeper than the top of the semi-circular goal crease, and don’t stop your backward motion or plant your feet. Playing a breakaway is a “flow.”
Don’t lunge forward at the player, because often he can then easily go around you. And don’t overuse the poke check, especially when the player is coming down the middle. It rarely works at the higher levels of competition.
Don’t try and use skate saves on dekes. They open up too many holes elsewhere. And don’t stack your pads parallel to the top of the rectangular crease when a player is coming down the middle, because a big hole opens up between your hip and elbow. If he goes to the side, he has a lot of space to score.
If a player dekes to your left, don’t plant your right leg while you extend your left. That opens the goaltender up, creating a truck-sized hole between his legs.
Finally, Don’t let a player score a goal from inside the goal crease—that’s your territory. But if you end up there, you’ve probably retreated too far.
Things to try
Practice your backward motion timing so the save selection can occur when you are at the top of the semi-circular goal crease. The backward motion provides momentum to move to the left or right with a deke.
Use your stick as an asset, but be prepared in case you miss the poke check.
Show patience by not reacting to the player’s first move; try and wait him out. Stay on your feet as long as you can, and do your best to stay with the shooter.
Use pad saves as often as possible on dekes. They cover more net, more quickly. When stacking the pads or using the butterfly on a deke, the goaltender’s motion should be at a diagonal from the top of the semi-circular crease toward the outside of the goal post. This eliminates any chance of the player going around the goaltender and getting a “lay-up goal.” I call it the “Y theory”: out, back, and toward the goalposts.
When stacking the pads, delay the stick movement by keeping it in front of you until the hole between the hip and elbow is closed.
Recognize that most goals go in low or through the 5-hole, so make sure you close those holes. This tilts the odds in your favor, because it’s hard for a player to “roof the puck” while moving at full speed on a deke.
If you keep these things in mind, you’ll always give yourself a chance to make the save!Comment -
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thanks panner.
jj, did you read the bolded lines..
here is what it said..
As soon as the goaltender recognizes a breakaway, he should come out well above the top of the goal crease and get set. This leaves little angle for a shot, and will force a player to deke.
jj, i rest my case.. stick to american sports jj.. leave the hockey for us true hockey connaisseurs.. don't try to play one on the forums jjcole.Comment -
once again JJ has no ****ing idea what he's talking aboutComment -
JJ,Originally posted by jjgold
Like me or hate me what people SAY on a forum is just words. Far as going out on every break-away the net minder must know the charging player. This was taught to me as I played up to and including my junior year in college as the teams keeper in MI back in the day. Between my junior and senior year in the summer I was in an auto accident and had my leg and ankle recked (for athletics but fine other wise for the most part). Wasn't able to rehab well enough to rejoin the team, so hung up things (glove, stick, skates, etc). No regrets. Life happens.
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A good skater licks his chops when a goalie leaves the net, all you do is go wide on him either way and plus offensive players has way more momentum that goalie.Comment -
jj just shut upComment
