Kobe is easily an all-time Top 5 player - LeBron and Wade won't ever crack Top 30.

[Dtown13]

I'm not sure why you posted a giant wall of Kobe numbers as me saying Ron artest shut Lebron down has nothing to do with Kobe.

Lebron didn't have an off shooting night when he switched off Metta, he shredded everyone else on the lakers, Metta shut him down. Period.

Just pointing out that even the greats and Kobe is one of them have off nights.

[Dtown13]

It seems like the sole superstar on this team is Bosh. How they doing without Bosh in the lineup? Lebron is nothing more than a role player. Kobe is the real deal. Wade is genuine. Bosh is Bosh. Lebron is a fugazzi.

C'mon man, you are just a Lebron hater. I could care less either way. I could do with or without Lebron but he is a very very good player.....

[paranoyd androyd]

Your just a Lebron hater so it wouldn't matter what anyone pointed out to you. It wouldn't change your mind. I have better things to do than that. Hell, I have 4 children I can argue with all day long if I choose to waste my time on people who no everything and don't want to listen to reason.

Not making the top 30 list is not being a hater, it's being a realist. Never said LeBron wasn't a good player, just not top 30 caliber - therefore no point in even trying to compare him to Kobe since he's nowhere near his class.

Kobe = Top 5

LeBron = Not in Top 30 (but not terrible either)

Understand now?

[Dtown13]

Use your forum pull to get the old smilies back, I hate these too.

Yea, they are pretty bad.

[ordonezv]

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Yes kobe top 5 not sure I think lebron a top 30

[Dtown13]

Not making the top 30 list is not being a hater, it's being a realist. Never said LeBron wasn't a good player, just not top 30 caliber - therefore no point in even trying to compare him to Kobe since he's nowhere near his class.

Kobe = Top 5

LeBron = Not in Top 30 (but not terrible either)

Understand now?

I understand YOUR point of view. I just don't necessarily agree. It's all opinion anyway. Each to their own. Top 30???? Who knows. Not that they will but if the Heat were to win the next 4 championships and Lebron were to win the next 4 MVP's and championship MVP's then I'm certain he would be in that category. You say never and in sports never gets updated all the time. New records set that no one thought would ever be broken all the time. Never just isn't a good word to use in sports. In your opinion might be a better way of putting it. But hey you see it how you see it so yes I understand now and before. I totally understand.

[Killer_Demo]

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[Killer_Demo]

Man that is the funniest shit I have ever heard in my life. Tennis isn't a team sport, it's one on one. And yes I played 3 sports all throughout school and am now a coach and have coached 3 different sports with much success (Football, Baseball and Basketball). Oh and I play a little Tennis as well and Golf. My Father-In-Law is a Tennis and Golf instructor at the Bocage Country Club in Baton Rouge Louisiana.

play some D1 ball then come holler at me ballboy.

[Dtown13]

play some D1 ball then come holler at me ballboy.

Oh no. Never said I was good at Tennis. I said I play a LITTLE Tennis. Was not trying to degrade you or your sport. I actually like the sport. I am just not very good at it but it sure is good exercise. And as one gets older exercise is a good thing. After getting on a tennis court and playing I have much respect for tennis players. You are some of the most fit athletes around. You and soccer players. I apologize if I offended you. It wasn't on purpose. And go Bulldogs. I love Fresno and love to pull for the underdog.

[Bones33]

ok serious question....
kobe has 1 mvp award in his career?? only 1... wtf
well how can he be considered the greatest ever when he has been considered only the mpst valuable player in 1 season of his career? kobe is a scorer and only has 2 career scoring titles? tmac has 2 iverson has 4? so is iverson better than kobe?

Finally someone who gets it.... kobe has been the 2nd best player in the league his whole career... He will be known as an all time great bc of his longevity and his rings.

You are right though.... its tough to call a guy top 10, let alone top 5, when he was only the best in the league just one season. Lebron has been the best player in the league for probably 5 years now.

These points don't make much sense...Shaq, was the best player in the league during the late 90's to early 2000s and he only has 1 MVP...the NBA MVP vote is more about timing and team success as opposed to the best player in the league. It's foolish to say Steve Nash was a greater player than Kobe during his 2 MVP seasons. Kobe was clearly the best player in the league through the mid 2000's, saying he was only the best for one season is quite a contradiction on your argument buddy.

[Bones33]

And anyone else find it funny Lebron didn't even look at the rim for the final play against the Jazz...Haslem's shooting %'s don't matter...he could be a 90% free throw line jump shooter in the first 47 minutes of a game..but how many game winners has he shot in the last 5 years??

Think about it...even for us average joes, if you're the best player on your rec league team do you pass the ball to some stiff teammate wide open in the corner? hell no.

[TheMoneyShot]

My friend and I were just discussing this earlier tonight... Kobe ALWAYS SHOWS UP. When doesn't HE SHOW UP??? Name one game that HE DIDN'T SHOW UP IN?!?!?!!? By the time you can probably think of one... I thought of 10 of D-Wade's and 10 of Queen James.

[upscope]

Finally someone who gets it.... kobe has been the 2nd best player in the league his whole career... He will be known as an all time great bc of his longevity and his rings.

You are right though.... its tough to call a guy top 10, let alone top 5, when he was only the best in the league just one season. Lebron has been the best player in the league for probably 5 years now.

This makes absolutely no sense. You're saying Kobe was only the best player in the league one yr based on the fact that he has only one MVP?? If this statement is true then why is it that LeBron has been the best player in the league for 5 yrs now but only has 2 MVP's

So, in order for Kobe to be considered the best player in the league he has to win MVP but that same standard doesn't hold true for LeBron?? The MVP award isn't given to the best player in the league, otherwise Jordan would have 13 MVP's.

The real MVP of the league is the Finals MVP. Championships define greatness & that's the reason LeBron's name doesn't deserve to even be mentioned w/ the games greats as of now.

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.....OK??

[upscope]

Lebron was not on championship caliber teams and has no rings. Kobe was gifted a shaq and a pau, which is why he has rings. Now that lebron has a team around him, if a few years go by and he doesnt get rings, then sure go ahead and hate... if not, sit back and enjoy the freak of nature that he is

He had the best team in the league for two yrs. Dominated the regular season winning 66 & 62 games & held homecourt throughout. That's not a championship capable team?? Had arguably the most loaded team since the 80's Laker/Celtic teams & 90's Bulls teams & fizzled yet again. The no help excuse has to end @ some point wouldn't u say??

[dlunc3]

This makes absolutely no sense. You're saying Kobe was only the best player in the league one yr based on the fact that he has only one MVP?? If this statement is true then why is it that LeBron has been the best player in the league for 5 yrs now but only has 2 MVP's

So, in order for Kobe to be considered the best player in the league he has to win MVP but that same standard doesn't hold true for LeBron?? The MVP award isn't given to the best player in the league, otherwise Jordan would have 13 MVP's.

The real MVP of the league is the Finals MVP. Championships define greatness & that's the reason LeBron's name doesn't deserve to even be mentioned w/ the games greats as of now.

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.....OK??

Finally someone who gets it.... kobe has been the 2nd best player in the league his whole career... He will be known as an all time great bc of his longevity and his rings.

You are right though.... its tough to call a guy top 10, let alone top 5, when he was only the best in the league just one season. Lebron has been the best player in the league for probably 5 years now.

neither finals mvp nor regular season mvp means anything when determining who the best player is... but it has been pretty obvious that early in his career that shaq and duncan were better, and late in his career lebron has been better

like i said, he is an all time great... and as of right now, the best of the recent bunch... But, if he plays like he has the last 7 years, and wins 3 or 4 rings, it will be a tough argument to keep him above lebron

Why dont you read the thread before making yourself look foolish?


the bottom post is all that matters... if lebron wins 3 or 4 rings now that he has a surrounding cast, he will be better.... if not kobe will be better....obviously right now kobe has had the better career. This is like comparing Magic with his 5 championships to Jordan when Jrodan was 27 with 0 rings. There is no point in trying to compare two great players in regards to where they rank all time, when one of them is only 27 and in the prime of his career still.. Lets have this discussion in 7 years.

[upscope]

How am i making myself look foolish citing your retarded statements?? It's become pretty apparent who the fool is in this thread.

[upscope]

According to your genius standards Jordan was only the best player in the game for 5 seasons. You're sharp as a tack pal.....

[marcoloco]

MVP award is an individual award, just like a scoring title.... a finals appearance, and winning a ring is a team effort?? why is that not so easily understood
not taking anything away from kobe or lebron, just making comparisons based on the numbers thats all

[dlunc3]

MVP award is an individual award, just like a scoring title.... a finals appearance, and winning a ring is a team effort?? why is that not so easily understood
not taking anything away from kobe or lebron, just making comparisons based on the numbers thats all

Seriously... Can't even imagine how much better these guys must think eli manning is then Dan Marino. Some people just don't get it and never will. Individual talent wise, kobe was never as good as lebron is today.

[William Walters]

And why people continue to waste there time with dlunc is beyond me. He's nothing but a troll.

One thread he says stats dont lie
Next thread he says stats lie

One thread he says all people do is look at box scores
Next thread he posts a box score to argue his point

He's the definition of troll.

dlunc and his stats

dlunc.........stats say Romo & Rivers are better career QB's than Joe Montana (and that Matt Schaub is Montana's equal). Sometimes you need to use your eyes a little dlunc. Try opening yours once in a while pal.

[dlunc3]

Why are you trying to compare a player that is only 27 to a guy that is at the end of his career? This thread is pointless.

[darkhat]

dlunc and his stats

dlunc.........stats say Romo & Rivers are better career QB's than Joe Montana (and that Matt Schaub is Montana's equal). Sometimes you need to use your eyes a little dlunc. Try opening yours once in a while pal.

LOL best is when he tried to justify Lebron's Jazz pass the other day with the fact that Udonis shoots 80 percent from the field.

[dlunc3]

LOL best is when he tried to justify Lebron's Jazz pass the other day with the fact that Udonis shoots 80 percent from the field.

keep making up stories and quoting things that people never said... you are great
at it!


now lets try quoting something that actually was said:

Darkhat: "Put your whole bankroll on the heat vs the lakers sunday!"

[darkhat]

lol i also said heat should be 10 point favorites and no way some 33 year old man can beat them. Something that obv is the total opposite of what I always say.

[darkhat]

Dlunc you are one of the few that knows what I was doing.. It would be like you starting a thread saying Leborn is not clutch and sucks.

[Reedeman]

Lets wait until LBJ retires until we start the top 30 top 20 top 10 argument.
And top 5 for kobe is saying a lot.. Top 10 more like it imo


And why the hell are people putting up angry posts about tennis

[zsr]

LOL best is when he tried to justify Lebron's Jazz pass the other day with the fact that Udonis shoots 80 percent from the field.

And then he actually kept arguing when I posted the stats that show haslem is literally one of the 5 worst mid range shooters in the league.

His response was something like, stats don't tell the story, I played grade school basketball so I know.

How ironic when all he does is post giant walls of stats Like I said I'm convinced he's someone's troll account. Nobody can be that stupid.

[dlunc3]

Dlunc you are one of the few that knows what I was doing.. It would be like you starting a thread saying Leborn is not clutch and sucks.

You dont like to have your words twisted around and misinterpreted?

You mean similar to what you did to my thoughts about haslem? I said that he can hit a wide open shoot from the elbow 70% of the time. Never did I say that he shoots 80% from the feild. If you take Haslem to a gym and put him at the elbow, he knocks that shot down all day. Its been 7 years since ive played college ball and even I can still hit an open elbow jumper 70% of the time. This is a shot that Haslem practices day in and day out. Obviously he hasnt shot well on the season, but those stats dont show how many have been wide open jumpers from the elbow. My point was that that is a shot that he, lebron, and spolestra were confident in bc he makes that shot in his sleep. My point was never that "he shoots 80% from the feild" and you more then anyone knows that.


This whole kobe/lebron argument is out of control. The whole world knows that at this point, Kobe has had the better career (top 10 all time) and this cant be argued. But the whole world also knows that lebron is only 27 and that he has the talent to be an all time great. If he wins 3 or more rings and continues to play at this level, then sure, lets compare the two... but as of right now there is no point in comparing a guy at the end of his career and a 27 year old with many years left in his prime.

[zsr]

Every single mid range shot haslem takes is wide open because he plays with wade and Lebron.

From mid range he's shooting 27 percent. He is a terrible shooter. From 10-15 feet he's actually 16 percent.

Surely you see how ironic you saying stats don't tell the story are, when all you do is post walls of stats everywhere, right?

You playing grade school basketball has nothing to do with anything, not sure why you keep mentioning that. We all played grade school basketball.

[zsr]

If I had the energy I would bury dlunc again but I'm getting tired of constantly pointing out his stupidity. Guy might be the dumbest fuk ive ever seen. It's almost unreal.

Is it possible this is wantitall??

[dlunc3]

I know ZSR is probably posting more nonsense. He cant ever look at things from an outside perspective and agree that both are amazing talents and could easily both be all times greats when all said and done. Ive had him on ignore for a while now and he knows that... its funny to see him continue follow me around and post immediately after me in every thread.

BOL to you buddy

[zsr]

LOL

You acted like you had me on ignore in that iggy thread and responded to every post I make

If your going to act like you have someone on ignore, you probably should, you know, not respond to there every post. Just a suggestion. Not Following me from thread to thread would probably be another good tip if your acting like you have me on ignore.

It's funny, whenever I start a thread, your there in 5 minutes, responding to every post I make. But wait, you have me on ignore, right?

[William Walters]

dlunc getting fukkin buried here

[darkhat]

LOL

[darkhat]

You dont like to have your words twisted around and misinterpreted?

You mean similar to what you did to my thoughts about haslem? I said that he can hit a wide open shoot from the elbow 70% of the time. Never did I say that he shoots 80% from the feild. If you take Haslem to a gym and put him at the elbow, he knocks that shot down all day. Its been 7 years since ive played college ball and even I can still hit an open elbow jumper 70% of the time. This is a shot that Haslem practices day in and day out. Obviously he hasnt shot well on the season, but those stats dont show how many have been wide open jumpers from the elbow. My point was that that is a shot that he, lebron, and spolestra were confident in bc he makes that shot in his sleep. My point was never that "he shoots 80% from the feild" and you more then anyone knows that.


This whole kobe/lebron argument is out of control. The whole world knows that at this point, Kobe has had the better career (top 10 all time) and this cant be argued. But the whole world also knows that lebron is only 27 and that he has the talent to be an all time great. If he wins 3 or more rings and continues to play at this level, then sure, lets compare the two... but as of right now there is no point in comparing a guy at the end of his career and a 27 year old with many years left in his prime.

I will admit, I didn't remember well what you said. I just knew it was something about he hits that shot like an insanely high percentage of the time. 70 or 80 percent. His percentage is higher as you said, if "you take him into a gym." He isn't in a gym when he took that shot, he was shooting a buzzer beater, with thousands of people screaming, with a guy jumping in his face.. probably scared to death because he figured Lebron would of just taken the shot.

But I know what you're saying, and I did exaggerate it because I was to lazy to go find the post.