Kobe is easily an all-time Top 5 player - LeBron and Wade won't ever crack Top 30.

[Killer_Demo]

when lechoke wins some titles i'll take him seriously

[Dtown13]

[QUOTE=LeBron and Wade won't ever crack Top 30[/QUOTE]

You are retarded...

[Dtown13]

when lechoke wins some titles i'll take him seriously

Please it takes an entire team to win the titles not just one player. You apparently never played a team based sport in your life. He may not be the best player in the history however he is a great player and athlete. It amazes me how people say someone is not a good player just because they don't care for them. I don't care for Kobe but he is one of the best players the NBA has ever had. People try to argue that Jordan was overrated because they don't care for him either which is absurd. Is is arguably the best player to ever play the game. Let me guess, you didn't take him seriously either???

[Dtown13]

still waiting to hear a single reason why lebron should be ranked higher than 30.

Still waiting to hear a single reason why he won't.

[Dtown13]

Funny how lebrons career is already too tarnished at age 27 lol. At age 27 Jordan had 0 championships (was his career also tarnished.at this point?) yet at age 27 lebrons career is alreadyaccounted for and over. You guys are too funny... You act like he's 35. Now, did I really just read that lebron is a selfish player but kobe is not? After reading that in post #1, this thread officially illegitimate nonsense and doesn't deserve to be addressed. Mods please shut it down. Thank you

[rdkjglsk]

[darkhat]

Lolololol

[onacloud]

There are some retarded threads on this forum. Every day - full retard everywhere on this forum. But this one literally makes a knuckle dragging mental midget with down syndrome believe he isn't the dumbest person on the planet.

LeBron won't crack the top 30? GTFO. I can't stand the son of a bitch, I would be fine if he never touches the hardwood ever again. But he is without a doubt, the most physically gifted and physically dominate athlete on the planet right now, and is easily one of the best players - to have ever touched the basketball.

LeBron will be up with Jordan and Kobe and Kareem when all is said and done.

Now go back to the kids table, and let the grown men try and win some money.

[dlunc3]

now trying to compare lebron to jordan? quite the leap there. jordan was far past the point lebron was at the same age. you have no credibility and are embarrassing yourself here.

jordan and kobe safely in top 5. lebron not in top 30. simple.

obviously lebron will never be jordan..

but you are incorrect, when jordan was 27 in comparison to lebron at 27, there was not a huge leap between them. Its what Jordan did after that age that makes him top 2 ever (him and wilt either 1 or 2). What will lebron do post age 27? We obviously have no idea yet... but it will be fun to watch. To say he wont be top 30 ever based on what he did as of right now prior to age 27, is just ignorant. Even if he never wins even 1 title, if he has 7 more years like his first 7, he will EASILY be top 30 ever... and thats without winning even 1 ring.

[Killer_Demo]

[QUOTE=Dtown13;14009763 team based sport in your life. [/QUOTE]

4 years D1 tennis at fresno st...i bet you never played college ball a day in your life

[dlunc3]

4 years D1 tennis at fresno st...i bet you never played college ball a day in your life

In regards to his point, it is kinda funny that you played an individual sport. Your view makes sense now.

[onlooker]

Sorry, but that's funny.

[zsr]

All the team sport excuse stuff went out the window last year when Lebron joined the most loaded roster of all time. He cost them a title. Plain and simple.

[marcoloco]

ok serious question....
kobe has 1 mvp award in his career?? only 1... wtf
well how can he be considered the greatest ever when he has been considered only the mpst valuable player in 1 season of his career? kobe is a scorer and only has 2 career scoring titles? tmac has 2 iverson has 4? so is iverson better than kobe?

[zsr]

I don't think anyone considers Kobe the greatest ever.

He's top 10 all time. Iverson or tmac aren't even close obviously.

No one has come close to Jordan.

[zsr]

The funny thing is, Kobe never had anything close to the physical gifts Lebron has. Kobe put in the fukin work. He's had the best footwork in the league for 10 years. Best post game. He turned himself into an all time great. Lebron hasn't done shit besides worry about his "brand" and worrying about partying.

[paranoyd androyd]

Still waiting to hear a single reason why he won't.

Feel free to read post #1 - all outlined in bullet point format making it easy to understand.

[dlunc3]

ok serious question....
kobe has 1 mvp award in his career?? only 1... wtf
well how can he be considered the greatest ever when he has been considered only the mpst valuable player in 1 season of his career? kobe is a scorer and only has 2 career scoring titles? tmac has 2 iverson has 4? so is iverson better than kobe?

Finally someone who gets it.... kobe has been the 2nd best player in the league his whole career... He will be known as an all time great bc of his longevity and his rings.

You are right though.... its tough to call a guy top 10, let alone top 5, when he was only the best in the league just one season. Lebron has been the best player in the league for probably 5 years now.

[xpo276]

lets see. off the top of my head, the top nba players of all time:

this is not in order. i only used numbers so i could count the number of players.
1 Oscar Robinson
2 MJ
3Magic
4Bird
5Wilt the Stilt
6Kareem
7Dr. J
8Bill Russel
9Shaq
10Kobe
11Malone
12Stockton
13Barkley
14Duncan
15Robinson
16.Ewing
17.hakeem

i cant think of anymore, i could probably use google but im lazy. thats a hard list for any current nba player to crack. like where would garnett, durant, rose, etc fit 10 years from now.

[NYSportsGuy210]

I agree.. He already tarnished his legacy too much. He would of been better off if he got caught killing dogs.

LeBron is gonna have to win at least three rings to even sniff top 10 or 15. I really think after this year if he and Wade don't get one ring it's over. Time to form a new big 3 somewhere else lol.

[NYSportsGuy210]

lets see. off the top of my head, the top nba players of all time:

this is not in order. i only used numbers so i could count the number of players.
1 Oscar Robinson
2 MJ
3Magic
4Bird
5Wilt the Stilt
6Kareem
7Dr. J
8Bill Russel
9Shaq
10Kobe
11Malone
12Stockton
13Barkley
14Duncan
15Robinson
16.Ewing
17.hakeem

i cant think of anymore, i could probably use google but im lazy. thats a hard list for any current nba player to crack. like where would garnett, durant, rose, etc fit 10 years from now.

So stupid. First of all your #1 player isn't even a real player unless he played NCAA basketball somewhere. Secondly you really think Kareem and Wilt Chamberlain are lower ranked than Larry Bird? And Karl Malone is a top 20 player of all time.....WTF.....this has got to be the stupidest list I have ever seen.

[InTheDrink]

stockton is apparently better than isaiah

dr j is better than kobe

ewing better than hakeem

that list is SO awful...who is this dumb fuk?

[zsr]

Did you guys not read his post?

He said it's NOT in order just numbered so its easier to count.

[dlunc3]

So stupid. First of all your #1 player isn't even a real player unless he played NCAA basketball somewhere. Secondly you really think Kareem and Wilt Chamberlain are lower ranked than Larry Bird? And Karl Malone is a top 20 player of all time.....WTF.....this has got to be the stupidest list I have ever seen.

not to butt in... but read his second line down

[GamblerSpirit]

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[onlooker]

So stupid. First of all your #1 player isn't even a real player unless he played NCAA basketball somewhere. Secondly you really think Kareem and Wilt Chamberlain are lower ranked than Larry Bird? And Karl Malone is a top 20 player of all time.....WTF.....this has got to be the stupidest list I have ever seen.

stockton is apparently better than isaiah

dr j is better than kobe

ewing better than hakeem

that list is SO awful...who is this dumb fuk?

Did you guys not read his post?

He said it's NOT in order just numbered so its easier to count.

[InTheDrink]

Did you guys not read his post?

He said it's NOT in order just numbered so its easier to count.

even still stockton over isiah

and ewing is still laughable

where's the logo?

[Killer_Demo]

In regards to his point, it is kinda funny that you played an individual sport. Your view makes sense now.

doubles is by yourself??? you even picked up a racquet before or just watch it on tv and assume you know it all?

[dlunc3]

doubles is by yourself??? you even picked up a racquet before or just watch it on tv and assume you know it all?

then you should know then... can you win in doubles if your partner sucks?

[Killer_Demo]

then you should know then... can you win in doubles if your partner sucks?

nobody on the starting team sucked...we all had scholarships to play

[Dtown13]

\as we saw again against the jazz.

Because he was passing off a shot to a wide open player with a better look at the basket. Oh I'm sorry that's because he is so selfish. If he keeps the ball you all call him a ball hog and if he passes it off you say he is scared and chokes. He can't win with you all. If you people only knew how ridiculous you sound.

[dlunc3]

nobody on the starting team sucked...we all had scholarships to play

Thats like saying the hornets dont suck since they are all pros... They suck in comparison to other teams. Lebron was not on championship caliber teams and has no rings. Kobe was gifted a shaq and a pau, which is why he has rings. Now that lebron has a team around him, if a few years go by and he doesnt get rings, then sure go ahead and hate... if not, sit back and enjoy the freak of nature that he is

[InTheDrink]

ok serious question....
kobe has 1 mvp award in his career?? only 1... wtf
well how can he be considered the greatest ever when he has been considered only the mpst valuable player in 1 season of his career? kobe is a scorer and only has 2 career scoring titles? tmac has 2 iverson has 4? so is iverson better than kobe?

guess what...postseason isn't factored into mvp voting

yeah that's kind of an important part of a player's legacy

and jordan was mvp five times....yet he was far and away the best player in the league the majority of his career

[dlunc3]

The leagues best player doesnt always win the mvp... but, in this case it is dead on. Kobe really has only been the nbas best player for one season. Shaq, Duncan and Lebron have handled the rest

[Killer_Demo]

Thats like saying the hornets dont suck since they are all pros... They suck in comparison to other teams. Lebron was not on championship caliber teams and has no rings. Kobe was gifted a shaq and a pau, which is why he has rings. Now that lebron has a team around him, if a few years go by and he doesnt get rings, then sure go ahead and hate... if not, sit back and enjoy the freak of nature that he is

how many years has he been in the league?