Nadal -385 in 30 minutes, let Rafa pay for breakfast!

[jjgold]

Nadal cannot win anymore playing the way he does

He cannot win easy points on his serve
His balls lack speed and depth
His balls for the most part bounce to high

[constrictor]

what's the injury on Nadal's right leg?

[shari91]

Shari look Im not gonna go off on you but you are not demonstrating male level intelligence, I am going to respond to you but this may not all make sense due to your lack of reasoning skills.

#1 They've been challenging CONSTANTLY this match, I mean literally challenging or thinking about challenging on nearly every point

#2 The reason they dont have it at the French Open is bc its played on clay, in other words wherever the ball hits it tends to leave a mark in the clay that you can then point out and have a point overruled anyway

#3 I am still willing to give you some at the next SBR bash so dont worry

#4 These linesmen are godawful terrible, whatever the flaws of an 1/8 of an inch with technology I assure you it is trusting these blind linesmen over state of the art technology that is a gimmick like we're living in 1950 when you dont have any other option but trusting linesmen

#5 Yes if the system is really screwing up one match I can see someone saying lets shut it off and use linesmen, that's an exceptional circumstance where the system is temporarily screwing up and they have no choice but to go back to only linesmen

All I'll say to that is No, they haven't been constantly challenging. Players posture all the time... look at a line to reassure themselves and to signal to the linesmen that they're paying attention. They also do it hoping for a clue from their player's box but usually they don't get it because the initial call/lack of one was right.

Let the match play out. If you lose your bet, so be it. Learn a lesson about laying that much chalk at this stage in a tournament. Actually you shouldn't really do it ever unless you like freaking out. But especially now, lines are more efficient, players are closer in skill. Throw in a guy who has been battling injuries and this is what you get. Even if he wins, you were silly to make that bet at those odds. But I hope you get it.

[jjgold]

I do not think injury, just preventive

[SprayBoy]

I picked nadal up at -190 in the first set and thought that was pretty decent...but seems like I could've got him at much better odds. Still he just broke so things look slightly more comforting

[bettilimbroke999]

All I'll say to that is No, they haven't been constantly challenging. Players posture all the time... look at a line to reassure themselves and to signal to the linesmen that they're paying attention. They also do it hoping for a clue from their player's box but usually they don't get it because the initial call/lack of one was right.

Let the match play out. If you lose your bet, so be it. Learn a lesson about laying that much chalk at this stage in a tournament. Actually you shouldn't really do it ever unless you like freaking out. But especially now, lines are more efficient, players are closer in skill. Throw in a guy who has been battling injuries and this is what you get. Even if he wins, you were silly to make that bet at those odds. But I hope you get it.

They HAVE been challenging constantly, do u understand they replaced the entire lines crew this match that's what an embarassment its been

Nadal's won the last 9 meetings with Berdych, theres a REASON why he was -385, had he not gotten raped on that bad call in the 1st tiebreaker hed be up 2 sets and up a break in the 3rd

Women...thank god they have men to correct them

[MatI]

You only get 3 challenges per set, plus 1 extra during tie-break.

Impossible to challenge constantly.

[shari91]

They HAVE been challenging constantly, do u understand they replaced the entire lines crew this match that's what an embarassment its been

Nadal's won the last 9 meetings with Berdych, theres a REASON why he was -385, had he not gotten raped on that bad call in the 1st tiebreaker hed be up 2 sets and up a break in the 3rd

Women...thank god they have men to correct them

Do you understand that based on your logic, if that's how they made lines, Nadal should've been -600 or shorter??? You're right... there was a REASON for this line: He hasn't been playing at the level he used to and has injury concerns. Bloody hell... it's the QF's of a Slam and you're going to lay -385 on a player based on a 9-0 record the last match of which took place a year ago and Nadal still got pushed to 3 sets???? 5 of those matches were 6-7 years ago ffs. You think books used that to judge what would take place here today???? And on different surfaces???? You are the epitome of why books love Grand Slams. Again, best of luck. I'd love to see him win.

[jjgold]

Nadal could win this match but he has zero chance against Fed
Its qite possible I will be making a massive bet if they play

This clown Nadal is playing has all the tools but again gets tight like all the rest do vs the top 4

[shari91]

Nadal could win this match but he has zero chance against Fed
Its qite possible I will be making a massive bet if they play

This clown Nadal is playing has all the tools but again gets tight like all the rest do vs the top 4

If Fed continues to play as he has been, you're right... Nadal's in big trouble. Berdych's serve can bail him out but he sprays too many errors after awhile and isn't consistent or smart enough to grind it out against Nadal for any length of time whereas Fed is obviously. And Fed's been cutting back on his errors so that's another huge plus. Just like the women yesterday: You either need to knock the top players off in straights or you have little chance to win. That's why I couldn't understand all the panic in here about Nadal.

[SprayBoy]

What does anyone think about murray possibly winning this tourny? He looks great so far, and seeing as he has joke ahead of him, probably has a great price too

[H1Cypher]

Should be 3-0. Nadal vs Lines people and Berdych.

But it is 2-1.

Fed opened as less of a favorite- and his moneyline went down. Nadals went up and before the match was the most juiced since the line opened. I bet on both. Nadal is part of my nhl / nadal parlay. Let's go nadal.

[bettilimbroke999]

You only get 3 challenges per set, plus 1 extra during tie-break.

Impossible to challenge constantly.

3 unsuccessful challenges per player per set, plus 1 extra during tiebreaker

When you have linesmen fukin up like these you get around 10 challenges per player or 20 challenges per set PLUS even more in a tiebreaker, that's constantly imo

[jjgold]

If Fed continues to play as he has been, you're right... Nadal's in big trouble. Berdych's serve can bail him out but he sprays too many errors after awhile and isn't consistent or smart enough to grind it out against Nadal for any length of time whereas Fed is obviously. And Fed's been cutting back on his errors so that's another huge plus. Just like the women yesterday: You either need to knock the top players off in straights or you have little chance to win. That's why I couldn't understand all the panic in here about Nadal.

Nice post Debbie.................Nadal is really not a threat when he serves, still of course a top player but he gives his opponent great looks all the time to pound winners and Fed is the man to pick him apart.

[face]

What does anyone think about murray possibly winning this tourny? He looks great so far, and seeing as he has joke ahead of him, probably has a great price too

fed and djokovic top form these days

[bettilimbroke999]

Do you understand that based on your logic, if that's how they made lines, Nadal should've been -600 or shorter??? You're right... there was a REASON for this line: He hasn't been playing at the level he used to and has injury concerns. Bloody hell... it's the QF's of a Slam and you're going to lay -385 on a player based on a 9-0 record the last match of which took place a year ago and Nadal still got pushed to 3 sets???? 5 of those matches were 6-7 years ago ffs. You think books used that to judge what would take place here today???? And on different surfaces???? You are the epitome of why books love Grand Slams. Again, best of luck. I'd love to see him win.

Then get on that "value" Berdych then , I didnt say it should be -900 or whatever based on 9 wins in a row I just said there was a reason the line is what it is bc he is clearly the far better player, Im not sayin Berdych wont ever beat him just that there is a reason hes heavily favored. The match should be over right now in straight sets, due to a linesmen error its 2-1 and Nadal up a break in the 4th, oh well guess I was wrong to ever bet the favorite in tennis

[jjgold]

Bettilimbroke back off man,,,Shari is my online girlfriend

Berdych just afraid to win tourneys, its a disgrace

[constrictor]

Fed still looks a class above all others

[shari91]

Then get on that "value" Berdych then , I didnt say it should be -900 or whatever based on 9 wins in a row I just said there was a reason the line is what it is bc he is clearly the far better player, Im not sayin Berdych wont ever beat him just that there is a reason hes heavily favored. The match should be over right now in straight sets, due to a linesmen error its 2-1 and Nadal up a break in the 4th, oh well guess I was wrong to ever bet the favorite in tennis

Anyone who is betting "value" in tennis, should just never bet the sport altogether. The point is to determine and assign the % chance you give a player of winning... if you can find a better line than that, grab it. Simple concept yet you get threads like this during Slams where people are squirming over a -385 like they thought it was a "lock" and start spewing out irrelevant H2H stats from years ago on different surfaces, different conditions, different form, etc. Nothing wrong with betting a favourite at all but if you expect it to be smooth sailing in a QF of a Slam, you're better off not betting at all or at the very least turning off the TV and just checking the final score. Regardless of what happens with linesmen.

[H1Cypher]

That last ruling confirmed Nadal got hosed in the first set. No questions about it. They just let Berdych challenge, these people.........

[benrama]

Yep - that was a shocker letting Berdych challenge that after what happened in the first set - Nadal finally asserting his dominance here, been a great bloody game to watch, really though Berdych had a chance here to pull off the upset but he's called "bird brain" for a reason, just always seems to find a way to crumble under unforced errors, and Nadal is just a beast when it comes to mental intensity and pressure.

[shari91]

Yep - that was a shocker letting Berdych challenge that after what happened in the first set - Nadal finally asserting his dominance here, been a great bloody game to watch, really though Berdych had a chance here to pull off the upset but he's called "bird brain" for a reason, just always seems to find a way to crumble under unforced errors, and Nadal is just a beast when it comes to mental intensity and pressure.

The "old" Nadal would never have been in the position to let one line call determine a set. He parked his ass so far behind the baseline when Berdych was serving blazers that he may as well have been sitting on my couch 10 minutes away and was too stubborn to adjust. That stubbornness and grit can help him win matches but he's going to be in a world of hurt against Fed unless Uncle Toni smartens his ass up. His shots just aren't consistently there right now and his serve is shithouse. Berdy's just not strong enough to take him down.

[benrama]

The "old" Nadal would never have been in the position to let one line call determine a set. He parked his ass so far behind the baseline when Berdych was serving blazers that he may as well have been sitting on my couch 10 minutes away and was too stubborn to adjust. That stubbornness and grit can help him win matches but he's going to be in a world of hurt against Fed unless Uncle Toni smartens his ass up. His shots just aren't consistently there right now and his serve is shithouse. Berdy's just not strong enough to take him down.

Yes, at one stage Nadal was basically just letting Berdych do the easy one-two, giving him a loopy return with an open court to hit too - strange that such a mentally tough player who's known for adjusting his game would not change anything for so long, especially since the moment he changed it, it worked. Or maybe he played some Jedi mind trick on Berdych that we are just not picking up as viewers, who knows

The thing with Federer is that Nadal has such a dominance over him in recent times I really think Federer is mentally scarred from it - I think Fed would have blown Berdych off the court but unless he takes the 1st set against Nadal - and I think winning the 1st set will be the only way for Federer to win - then I think Nadal will just wear Federer down like he did here with Berdych. Federer's backhand still can't deal with Nadal's spin and placement, so he'll have to serve like a beast to win - IMO.

[stevenash]

Fading Nadal in a GS even is never a good idea

[Sport_Fish]

Fading Nadal in a GS even is never a good idea

Usually not, but this game was an indication of what we might see in him vs Federer. I can see Nadal getting punished on this surface by Federer, who appears to be v.solid right now.

Curious about how the lines will open on this game.

[stevenash]

Curious about how the lines will open on this game.

Fed -165 or so?

[shari91]

Yes, at one stage Nadal was basically just letting Berdych do the easy one-two, giving him a loopy return with an open court to hit too - strange that such a mentally tough player who's known for adjusting his game would not change anything for so long, especially since the moment he changed it, it worked. Or maybe he played some Jedi mind trick on Berdych that we are just not picking up as viewers, who knows

The thing with Federer is that Nadal has such a dominance over him in recent times I really think Federer is mentally scarred from it - I think Fed would have blown Berdych off the court but unless he takes the 1st set against Nadal - and I think winning the 1st set will be the only way for Federer to win - then I think Nadal will just wear Federer down like he did here with Berdych. Federer's backhand still can't deal with Nadal's spin and placement, so he'll have to serve like a beast to win - IMO.

I think in Fed's favour is the fact that those silly errors he used to make, even when he was by far the #1, have seemed to disappear in this tournament. Not sure why. But the fact that Rafa is the outsider to win it all now at books behind the other 3 is quite telling I think. This was a terrible display tonight... all it proved was what we already knew: That he will fight, grind, wear you down and won't give up. Actual tennis form though has been pretty lackluster. CANNOT wait for that match!

[jjgold]

Fed has been playing very well for about 1.5 years now

A lot of his loses were near misses and all in late rounds

Right now he is playing the best

[showtiime]

Hit over 12.5 first set live.

Hit nadal 7-6 2nd set live.
Risked $300, profit = $1420, somebody stop meh!

[bettilimbroke999]

Thanks Rafa, breakfast was delicious!

[jjgold]

I would of got buried on this match live betting, did not think Berdych was going to fall apart
the second set tie break killed him, he seemed to kind of quit

[mathdotcom]

webber it's been a while since a sports demonstration vid

[bettilimbroke999]

I would of got buried on this match live betting, did not think Berdych was going to fall apart
the second set tie break killed him, he seemed to kind of quit

Bettin on tennis u just step on the ride and try to survive, I usually have to bet the chalk whenever I bet on tennis bc the underdogs will be winning then just collapse, especially in these 5 set GS matches

[stevenash]

Wed 1/25 151 Roger Federer -145
7:00PM 152 Rafael Nadal +125

Wed 1/25 153 R.Federer Games Won -3 -112 o39½ -118
7:00PM 154 R.Nadal Games Won +3 -118 u39½ -112

[beerman2619]

First time i've watched a tennis match in awhile. These guys are great athletes i must say. Guys like Nadal, Federer, tt warrior and so on are in amazing shape to play this game. Did seem like the linesman or linesladies ha were terrible. Course i'm old miss the days of Johnny Mac and Conners back when i actually watched tennis. Think i actually saw Jim Courier vs Michael Chang on some channel couple days ago they have a senior tennis tour?