Palins 17 year old daughter pregnant

[ryanXL977]

That's how the GOP works. Inducing fear to the public so they will vote for them like sheep.

what i dont get is how people can keep letting it work
we should be afraid of soviets? why? they should be afraid of us. we are the ones with more weapons and satellites than everyone else
we are the ones who start wars and torture others

all the soviets do is torture their own, they dont **** with us
eventually we will pay a price for imperialism, every nation that tries to run everyone else always ends up losing
its happened before

[JRS21386]

when did kerry use bush's alcohloism? please refresh our memory

His campaign used it numerous times... Come on with all the arguments that are thrown around (most being completely ridiculous and idiotic), dont tell me you dont recal Bush's past EVER being brought up in that election

[element1286]

bad information? are you serious or kidding
we started a war and have stayed for 6 years bc of bad information? if its bad information why didnt we leave after the wmds werent there

come on dude, think a bit here, you are smart

I don't know why they didn't leave. But if this war was under completely false pretenses or bad information or whatever doesn't the American government owe the Iraqi people some time to get their country back in order?

[bmw530i]

I knew something was wrong with this pic...

[pavyracer]

Didn't Libya and North Korea were part of the Axis of Evil that manufactured WMD's? How did the Libyan and North Korean wars end?

[element1286]

sorry Element. I just thought it was obvious that the problem with chicken hawks is that they pursue an "aggressive" foreign policy meaning they are quick to rush to War. Unfortunately, the conversation got sidetracked into whether or not a person needs prior military experience.

I agree that we all overuse labels but that is the culture that we live in. Labels are an effective tool, just ask the Republican party. They've become masters of using labels.


Pavy,
motives regarding energizing the defense industry and driving the price of oil into triple digits is debatable. However, I tend to agree that the war was about OIL first and the Military industrial complex second. Third would be that Cheney knew he would be forever rewarded by his buddies at Halliburton for providing them with huge government contracts/money!

Because Americans were so emotional about 911 and thus susceptible to being deceived, Bush/Cheney took the opportunity to invade Iraq in an attempt to get the oil and insert a puppet government that would give American companies sweetheart deals. Unfortunately, they miscalculated and mismanaged the entire war

AND they sullied America's good name all around the world. We lost a lot of the moral highground we used to enjoy for defeating the Nazis and Communism

No problem TeamPlayer, I was just putting on my lawyer hat and asking vague questions.

[Mr KLC]

I knew something was wrong with this pic...

LOL!

[element1286]

I knew something was wrong with this pic...

She is pretty cute, wouldn't mind seeing her for the next couple of years.

[ryanXL977]

I don't know why they didn't leave. But if this war was under completely false pretenses or bad information or whatever doesn't the American government owe the Iraqi people some time to get their country back in order?

so our govt thought they had wmds, they invade, lose countless lives on both sides, trillion dollars, and we should stay and fix it

if i come in and **** up your house, you want me to stay there and fnish ****ing it up

why are we qualified to stay in their naiton

what if someone invaded us bc we have wmds? is that ok
how do you pick and choose who to invade? do we only invade dictators who wont sell us all their oil? bc thats what its about. if you think it has anything to do with wmds, you are smoking grade a weed. bush and co care less about terror than my dog

its about weapons and testing out military companies and testing grounds for lil proxy wars, which is where we are headed

[FadeThePublic]

No wonder palin's daughter is knocked up..

She's kinda hot and look at those boobies. Very Nice.

Her Mom is much hotter though. I'll take them both.

[TeamPlayer]

Element,

We didn't leave because no-way-in-hell that Bush would admit that he lied to the American public about Weapons of Mass destruction.

Nor would he ever admit that he cherry-picked CIA intelligence to justify the war.

And he was able to decieve enough people like Pimick to continue supporting the war in perpetuity. Meanwhile, he and Cheney and their corporate executive friends continue to make boat loads of money from the war.

If you look at most politicians who start wars throughout the history of the world, they never admit that they were wrong

[Senator7]

I hate to break the news for you but being the Governor of Alaska is the equivalent of jjgold being the GM at SBR. Will you trust jjgold the suitcase for the nukes?

Due to the sheer size of the state, numerous geo-political issues, and energy issues, Alaska is actually one of the toughest states in the nation to govern.

[ryanXL977]

the sheer size of the state? are you serious? there are less than 1 million people here.

[pavyracer]

Due to the sheer size of the state, numerous geo-political issues, and energy issues, Alaska is actually one of the toughest states in the nation to govern.

Yeah it's very tough. 90% of the population lives in Anchorage and Fairbanks.

[JRS21386]

People forget that the President can't just send people out to fight a war.. In all reality alot of your Democratic officials approved of that war... so be mad at them as well

[JRS21386]

the sheer size of the state? are you serious? there are less than 1 million people here.

Area wise... He's right

[ryanXL977]

he has a nice talking point
did you guys see mccains wife, alaska is close to russia so its like foreign policy experience

good god. these people are reaching
alaska, its not even a ****ing state. its an oil well with a few skimos livin there

[element1286]

so our govt thought they had wmds, they invade, lose countless lives on both sides, trillion dollars, and we should stay and fix it

if i come in and **** up your house, you want me to stay there and fnish ****ing it up

why are we qualified to stay in their naiton

what if someone invaded us bc we have wmds? is that ok
how do you pick and choose who to invade? do we only invade dictators who wont sell us all their oil? bc thats what its about. if you think it has anything to do with wmds, you are smoking grade a weed. bush and co care less about terror than my dog

its about weapons and testing out military companies and testing grounds for lil proxy wars, which is where we are headed

Again I am not saying going into Iraq right or wrong. I was just asking the question. My view going forward is that the military should keep a presence there until the country is reasonably stable. I don't know how long it would take to get the country to that point, or what reasonably stable actually entails. Right now the Iraq is in transition, and I believe the US owes the Iraqi people and government some security.

[pavyracer]

No wonder palin's daughter is knocked up..

She's kinda hot and look at those boobies. Very Nice.

Her Mom is much hotter though. I'll take them both.

Did it ever occur to you that the boobies look big because she is pregnant? Unless you are into lactating underage girls.

[ryanXL977]

People forget that the President can't just send people out to fight a war.. In all reality alot of your Democratic officials approved of that war... so be mad at them as well

you are really reaching dude, trying to blame the demoracts for this war

100% of gop and 50% of dem senators voted for it. not one of them tied it to 911, but bush sure did

you are defending a man with a 25% approval rating bc your parents presumably raised you republican
come on dude, think here

[Senator7]

That's how the GOP works. Inducing fear to the public so they will vote for them like sheep.

Does anyone have any original thought on politics anymore? Maybe something they actually decided for themselves and didn't just accept word for word from The Daily Kos?

[JRS21386]

When Palin came in to Govern Alaska, there was a ton of corruption within the state government.. she reformed that system in her short time there... very impressive.. in all reality her experience is extremely comparable to obama's, who has worked a total of 148 days in the senate... lol

[ryanXL977]

Again I am not saying going into Iraq right or wrong. I was just asking the question. My view going forward is that the military should keep a presence there until the country is reasonably stable. I don't know how long it would take to get the country to that point, or what reasonably stable actually entails. Right now the Iraq is in transition, and I believe the US owes the Iraqi people and government some security.

we owed it to them to get rid of saddam
we owed it to them to get rid of al queda, whoever that is
we owed it to them to take their oil and kill like 250k iraqis
we owed it to them to invade after 911

i think our debts are paid
its not our country
i want my tax dollalrls going to my country, not theirs
they have a surplus, we do not
we did, but your boy blew it on wmds

[Senator7]

the sheer size of the state? are you serious? there are less than 1 million people here.

Its the largest state in the country, geographically. Population is irrelevant...

[JRS21386]

you are really reaching dude, trying to blame the demoracts for this war

100% of gop and 50% of dem senators voted for it. not one of them tied it to 911, but bush sure did

you are defending a man with a 25% approval rating bc your parents presumably raised you republican
come on dude, think here

Wrong my friend, my family is independent, as well as myself.. I don't agree with the war in Iraq, but i dont agree with backing out and showing the entire war torn middle east that we can't finish a job

[ryanXL977]

population is irrelevant but geographic size is relevant
then we better give them more than 3 electoral votes, sicne the size of the state is so important
i never saw so many alaska defenders till last firday

this is ****ing hilairous

[ryanXL977]

Wrong my friend, my family is independent, as well as myself.. I don't agree with the war in Iraq, but i dont agree with backing out and showing the entire war torn middle east that we can't finish a job

finish the job. what does that mean
there are no wmds
saddam is dead
911 had nothing to do with iraq
so what is the job again? building a nation while our own falls apart? you would rtaher build their schools than ours? nice
read the constitution again please.PLEASE

[Mr KLC]

you are really reaching dude, trying to blame the demoracts for this war

100% of gop and 50% of dem senators voted for it. not one of them tied it to 911, but bush sure did

you are defending a man with a 25% approval rating bc your parents presumably raised you republican
come on dude, think here

Actually, 7 Republicans voted against the war. Not that I'm trying to back Bush, but his approval rating IS twice as high than the Congress that is run by the guys that voted against the war right now.

[element1286]

we owed it to them to get rid of saddam
we owed it to them to get rid of al queda, whoever that is
we owed it to them to take their oil and kill like 250k iraqis
we owed it to them to invade after 911

i think our debts are paid
its not our country
i want my tax dollalrls going to my country, not theirs
they have a surplus, we do not
we did, but your boy blew it on wmds

Very good points. And Iraq should start paying for their own reconstruction. And the budget is out of control, but there are soldiers coming home now, and things are getting better over there. I am cautiously optimistic that things can turn around. And Bush is not my boy.

[Senator7]

population is irrelevant but geographic size is relevant
then we better give them more than 3 electoral votes, sicne the size of the state is so important
i never saw so many alaska defenders till last firday

this is ****ing hilairous

I'm not defending Alaska. I'm stating a simple fact that, due to numerous and unique circumstances, its one of the toughest states in the country to govern. Trust me, I work in politics. Any political professional who knows anything will tell you that's the truth.

You need to step away from The Daily Kos and Obama talking points for a while. Think for yourself and don't just agree and run with whatever you hear...

[JRS21386]

finish the job. what does that mean
there are no wmds
saddam is dead
911 had nothing to do with iraq
so what is the job again? building a nation while our own falls apart? you would rtaher build their schools than ours? nice
read the constitution again please.PLEASE

I said i don't agree with it... However we vowed to help them establish a democracy (i dont believe it will work) and we need to stay until we do so... you know im niether democratic nor republican, but i have enough patriotism to stand by my country despite what situation we may be in

[TeamPlayer]

If Palin became President, the U.S. would be in grave danger. Speaking seriously, you're talking about a soccer-mom who's only experience is being the mayor a small town running the country and dealing with Russia, Iraq, etc. (being governor for a few months doesn't count)

At least Obama attended America's best universities on scholarships and earned his way through law school. He's proven himself every step of the way, including defeating the powerful and rich Hillary Clinton for the nomination. And he has people like Joe Biden to help.

Who would Palin ask for advice? Dick Cheney?? oh my god!

[ryanXL977]

I'm not defending Alaska. I'm stating a simple fact that, due to numerous and unique circumstances, its one of the toughest states in the country to govern. Trust me, I work in politics. Any political professional who knows anything will tell you that's the truth.

You need to step away from The Daily Kos and Obama talking points for a while. Think for yourself and don't just agree and run with whatever you hear...

i dont get news from blogs my friend. i just open my eyes and look. try again
i dont need talking points, i have 8 years of history to cite

[Mr KLC]

If Palin became President, the U.S. would be in grave danger. Speaking seriously, you're talking about a soccer-mom who's only experience is being the mayor a small town running the country and dealing with Russia, Iraq, etc. (being governor for a few months doesn't count)

At least Obama attended America's best universities on scholarships and earned his way through law school. He's proven himself every step of the way, including defeating the powerful and rich Hillary Clinton for the nomination. And he has people like Joe Biden to help.

Who would Palin ask for advice? Dick Cheney?? oh my god!

That kind of sounds elitist.

[ryanXL977]

I said i don't agree with it... However we vowed to help them establish a democracy (i dont believe it will work) and we need to stay until we do so... you know im niether democratic nor republican, but i have enough patriotism to stand by my country despite what situation we may be in

using patriotism as a guise to support a government that is no longer representing the people is about as weak as any argument ive ever heard

seriously dude, read the constitution
they warned about this
these men warned about using patriotism as an excuse for blind allegiance