Kobe best player in the league

[upscope]

There's ample reasons why Kobe led teams are just 2-11 SU against Lebron led teams in their last 13 matchups:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eiPYYSSdyw

I hope LeBron got called for a travel after he ripped that ball loose from Kobe.....HE TOOK 7 STEPS BEFORE HE PUT IT ON THE FLOOR

[darkhat]

I hope LeBron got called for a travel after he ripped that ball loose from Kobe.....HE TOOK 7 STEPS BEFORE HE PUT IT ON THE FLOOR

soooo right.

[dlunc3]

haha 3 or 4.. With Team USA. He needs to at least have 2 more than Kobe to be in his discussion. There's no way he will be considered in Kobe's league with less championships while on by far the best team the NBA has seen in the longest time.

Your right, kobe didn't have the most.dominant player to ever play the gamr carry him.. you put lebron on that lakers team, they win 5 championships instead of 3 with shaq bc.he wouldnt be selfish and.run shaq out... I love how you rate players off of how great their surrounding cast was... Pretty sure this is an individual debate, not a team debate

[onlooker]

I hope LeBron got called for a travel after he ripped that ball loose from Kobe.....HE TOOK 7 STEPS BEFORE HE PUT IT ON THE FLOOR

You know there is no traveling in the NBA.

[William Walters]

It's really quite amazing when you sit back and just think about some of the know-it-all posters in this thread that try to bang on Kobe. There are actually degenerate posters........who spend their day posting on a gambling forum........posting as if they know MORE THAN THE MAJORITY OF NBA GENERAL MANAGERS. Un-fukkin-real.

[dlunc3]

It's really quite amazing when you sit back and just think about some of the know-it-all posters in this thread that try to bang on Kobe. There are actually degenerate posters........who spend their day posting on a gambling forum........posting as if they know MORE THAN THE MAJORITY OF NBA GENERAL MANAGERS. Un-fukkin-real.

You could not find even 1 Gm that woulnt trade kobe for lebron at any point in time over the past 5 years... The lakers would cream their pants if the offer was on the table.

[wantitall4moi]

It's really quite amazing when you sit back and just think about some of the know-it-all posters in this thread that try to bang on Kobe. There are actually degenerate posters........who spend their day posting on a gambling forum........posting as if they know MORE THAN THE MAJORITY OF NBA GENERAL MANAGERS. Un-fukkin-real.

For the most part NBA general managers dont know shit. Theyre about as right as any other fantasy loser out there.

Just look back that he past 4 or 5 drafts and the top 10-15 guys who went and where they are now and you will see just how smart NBA GMs are.

So most of them dont know shit, even with years of watching a guy. They just pick the 'obvious' guys and make alist. Rather than actually watching and seeing what happens. Most of them dont have time to do their jobs for their own team you really think they look at these stupid lists and try to vote logically? These lists are about as valid as the AP coaches poll in NCAA football. Probably half of the GMs polled didnt even answer it themselves, which in some ironic way might have made it more acurate.

[zsr]

And you think you know more then general managers? your a bigger fukin idiot than I thought "wantitall"

What's your next gem going to be? Thunder will be in the lottery?

[William Walters]

You could not find even 1 Gm that woulnt trade kobe for lebron at any point in time over the past 5 years... The lakers would cream their pants if the offer was on the table.

Where is it exactly that I posted that GM's would choose Kobe over LeBron (to be on their team) in 2012?

My post about GM's was referring to their (the top basketball minds in the world) opinion of the 2012 Kobe. In case you missed it...........here are their opinions:

Who is the best shooting guard in the NBA?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers -- 55.6%
2. Dwyane Wade, Miami -- 40.7%
3. Ray Allen, Boston -- 3.7%

Which player is the best at getting his own shot?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers -- 35.7%
2. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 21.4%
T3. LeBron James, Miami -- 14.3%
T3. Dwyane Wade, Miami -- 14.3%

Who is the toughest player in the NBA?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers -- 32.1%
2. Rajon Rondo, Boston -- 10.7%
T3. Tony Allen, Memphis -- 7.1%
T3. Reggie Evans, L.A. Clippers -- 7.1%
T3. Kevin Garnett, Boston -- 7.1%

Which player is the best leader?
1. Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers -- 25.0%
2. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers -- 14.3%
T3. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 10.7%
T3. Steve Nash, Phoenix -- 10.7%


and last, but not least...........

Which player would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers -- 48.1%
2. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 30.8%

[William Walters]

for the most part nba general managers dont know shit. Theyre about as right as any other fantasy loser out there.

Just look back that he past 4 or 5 drafts and the top 10-15 guys who went and where they are now and you will see just how smart nba gms are.

So most of them dont know shit, even with years of watching a guy. They just pick the 'obvious' guys and make alist. Rather than actually watching and seeing what happens. Most of them dont have time to do their jobs for their own team you really think they look at these stupid lists and try to vote logically? These lists are about as valid as the ap coaches poll in ncaa football. Probably half of the gms polled didnt even answer it themselves, which in some ironic way might have made it more acurate.

You are a lost cause.

[William Walters]

[darkhat]

Originally Posted by wantitall4moi
for the most part nba general managers dont know shit. T<del>heyre about as right as any other fantasy loser out there.

Just look back that he past 4 or 5 drafts and the top 10-15 guys who went and where they are now and you will see just how smart nba gms are.

So most of them dont know shit, even with years of watching a guy. They just pick the 'obvious' guys and make alist. Rather than actually watching and seeing what happens. Most of them dont have time to do their jobs for their own team you really think they look at these stupid lists and try to vote logically? These lists are about as valid as the ap coaches poll in ncaa football. Probably half of the gms polled didnt even answer it themselves, which in some ironic way might have made it more acurate.</del>

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You are a lost cause.

[dlunc3]

should we revisit this?

kobe came out hot tonight... then iggy shifted over to shut him down... started the game with 24 points through the first 20 minutes... then.. iggy showed up..

kobes final 28 minutes:

2 for 12 for 4 points and 4 turnovers
1 for 8 in the 4th


This is the same iggy that lebron handled twice this season.... no discredit to him though, he is a world class defender as seen tonight

[dlunc3]

Who's the MVP of the first six weeks?


Adande: LeBron James. He's missed only one game, and simply showing up should count for something in a season in which guys are going down left and right. But LeBron isn't just playing, he's dominating, putting up better all-around numbers than in either of his previous MVP seasons.

Heimer: Chris Paul. Is anything more tired than the annual debate over what "most valuable" means? These Lob City Clippers have come together faster than most thought possible, posting quality wins in the past week over Denver, Utah and OKC. The intention Paul brings to every possession has turned the Clippers overnight into one of the league's most efficient offenses.

Lynch: LeBron James. He's going to the post more and shooting fewer 3s. He's having a career year on the glass. He plays excellent defense. Oh, and he's on pace to post the highest player efficiency rating in league history. If you're still calling him a choker, you're doing yourself the disservice of missing out on just how good James is.

Peterson: I'd love to be able to say Kobe Bryant with his seemingly superhuman effort to carry on despite a new coach, high mileage and a wrist held together by super glue, but seeing the Lakers' record coupled with his being on pace to break his own NBA usage rate record makes my lips pucker. It's Kevin Durant, especially in light of his handling of a volatile teammate (Russell Westbrook) in a veteran manner.

Thorpe: It's LeBron by a mile. And that's all I have to write about that.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-120206/nba-best-things-right-here

[tatommack]

I hope he keeps it up my rookie cards should be worth something by now

[darkhat]

His team is garbage, he has to do everything on his own basically. Lebron has Team USA so he should get a few rings eventually, or play well in a finals game maybe one day.

[dlunc3]

His team is garbage, he has to do everything on his own basically. Lebron has Team USA so he should get a few rings eventually, or play well in a finals game maybe one day.

are you sure you are not talking about bynum? if kobe shows up in the second half the lakers win easy tonight.. bynum cant do it all..

you wanna talk about doing everything on his own? see lebron james first 6 yrs with teams that dont even compare to kobes this season. He was leading the league in wins and had noone even close to bynum or pau

[onlooker]

His team is garbage, he has to do everything on his own basically. Lebron has Team USA so he should get a few rings eventually, or play well in a finals game maybe one day.

Lakers have the 2nd best Center in the league. A pretty good Power Forward too. The team is far from garbage. Kobe needs to cut down on shooting so much, and get his bigs involved more.

[dlunc3]

a good defender can shut him down at this stage of his career.. iggy embarrassed him in his home city tonight

[darkhat]

you wanna talk about doing everything on his own? see lebron james first 6 yrs with teams that dont even compare to kobes this season. He was leading the league in wins and had noone even close to bynum or pau

LOLOLOL do garbage teams win 66 games in a fukin year? DO they have the number one team ranked defense? He also had two other all stars on those cavs team.

[darkhat]

Lakers have the 2nd best Center in the league. A pretty good Power Forward too. The team is far from garbage. Kobe needs to cut down on shooting so much, and get his bigs involved more.

How do you expect Kobe to lead the league in scoring if he doesn't shoot 39 percent and take 40 shots a night? If you have any other way let me know.

Also vlade divac isn't the second best center in the league. I think he was hurt, didn't see him out there tonight.

[dlunc3]

LOLOLOL do garbage teams win 66 games in a fukin year? DO they have the number one team ranked defense? He also had two other all stars on those cavs team.

yea they won those games bc of lebron.... can you imagine if lebron had bynum and gasol all those years? he would still be in cleveland and would prob be sitting on 5 rings

[onlooker]

How do you expect Kobe to lead the league in scoring if he doesn't shoot 39 percent and take 40 shots a night? If you have any other way let me know.

So leading the league in scoring is a priority now? I thought winning games was.

But he could shoot 55% and take 5 less shots a game, and lead the league in scoring.

[dlunc3]

kobe is a glorified monta ellis at this stage of his career

[darkhat]

So leading the league in scoring is a priority now? I thought winning games was.

But he could shoot 55% and take 5 less shots a game, and lead the league in scoring.

I'm clearly kidding. He fukin sucked tonight obviously. Took a billion bad shots.

[dlunc3]

So leading the league in scoring is a priority now? I thought winning games was.

But he could shoot 55% and take 5 less shots a game, and lead the league in scoring.

aka lebron james... 4 less shots per game and averaging the same amount (wont mention all other aspects that he is better at)

[dlunc3]

I'm clearly kidding. He fukin sucked tonight obviously. Took a billion bad shots.

no, he didnt suck... he got shut down by a great defender (the same defender lebron has crushed this season)

[onlooker]

aka lebron james... 4 less shots per game and averaging the same amount (wont mention all other aspects that he is better at)

You cracked my code.

[gauchojake]

yea they won those games bc of lebron.... can you imagine if lebron had bynum and gasol all those years? he would still be in cleveland and would prob be sitting on 5 rings

Buddy, if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Here's the reality... Lebron 0-2 NBA Finals Kobe 5-2 NBA Finals.

[darkhat]

no, he didnt suck... he got shut down by a great defender (the same defender lebron has crushed this season)

He did suck. If you get shut down you generally sucked during the game.

What makes more sense...

"He was awesome, did you see how he got shut down"
or
"He sucked, he got shut down"

[dlunc3]

Buddy, if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Here's the reality... Lebron 0-2 NBA Finals Kobe 5-2 NBA Finals.

that is a reality.. heres another one... kobe has had pau and shaq and lebron has had anderson varejeo


put lebron on those laker teams, he might have double digit rings by now.. shaq would have stayed and they woulda been the best 1/2 punch ever

[dlunc3]

He did suck. If you get shut down you generally sucked during the game.

What makes more sense...

"He was awesome, did you see how he got shut down"
or
"He sucked, he got shut down"

sucking and getting shut down are completely different.. when bradys offense can only put up 17 on the giants defense repeatedly, it doesnt mean that brady sucked.. it means the giants defense shut him down

[darkhat]

So they shut him down to the point that he sucked..

WTF are we arguing over.. who gives a shit. lol we are saying the same thing. I just accept if someone gets shut down or misses shots, you can say they suck.

[dlunc3]

the point is... this thread is titled: Kobe best player in the league


I think we can all agree that is 100% false

[darkhat]

I didn't start the thread.