Kobe best player in the league

[darkhat]

do you just make things up??

Here you go buddy... cant wait to hear your response..

Kobe Bryant career post season shots with 24 seconds left on the shot:

1996 Utah Jazz Game 5 Miss Bryant misses a game tying shot with 4 seconds left.
1999 San Antonio Spurs Game 2 Miss Bryant misses a game tying shot at the end of regulation
2000 Phoenix Suns Game 2 Make Bryant makes a game winning shot with 2 seconds left
2001 Philidephia 76ers Game 1 Miss Bryant misses a game winning shot with 20 seconds left.
2002 San Antonio Spurs Game 2 Miss Bryant misses a game tying shot at regulation
2002 San Antonio Spurs Game 4 Make Bryant makes a game winning shot with 5 seconds left
2002 Sacramento Kings Game 4 Miss Bryant misses a game winning shot with 4 seconds left
2002 Sacramento Kings Game 5 Miss Bryant misses a game winning shot with 8 seconds left
2002 Sacramento Kings Game 7 Miss Bryant misses a game winning tip shot with 8 seconds left
2003 Minnesota Timberwolves Game 3 Miss Bryant misses a game winning shot in OT with 13 seconds left.
2003 Minnesota Timberwolves Game 3 Miss Bryant misses a game tying shot in OT with 2 seconds left
2003 San Antonio Spurs Game 1 Miss Bryant misses a game winning shot with 13 seconds left.
2004 Houston Rockets Game 1 Miss Bryant misses a game winning shot with 17 seconds left.
2004 Houston Rockets Game 4 Miss Bryant misses a game winning shot with 3 seconds left.
2004 San Antonio Spurs Game 5 Make Bryant makes a game winning shot attempt with 12 seconds left.
2004 Detroit Pistons Game 1 Make Bryant makes a game tying shot with 2 seconds left.
2006 Phoenix Suns Game 4 Make Bryant makes a game tying shot with 4 seconds left.
2006 Phoenix Suns Game 4 Make Bryant makes a game winning shot in OT with 6 seconds left.
2006 Phoenix Suns Game 6 Miss Bryant misses a game winning shot with 6 seconds left.
2008 San Antonio Spurs Game 5 Make Bryant makes the game winning shot with 23 seconds left.
2009 Utah Jazz Game 3 Miss Bryant misses a game winning shot with 2 seconds left.
2009 Orlando Magic Game 2 Miss Bryant has his game winning shot blocked with 8 sec left.
2010 Oklahoma City Thunder Game 6 Miss Bryant misses game winning shot with .5 seconds left.
2010 Phoenix Suns Game 5 Miss Bryant misses a game winning shot with 3 seconds left.
2011 Dallas Mavericks Game 1 Miss Bryant misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation


The end result: During his 15 year career, Kobe Bryant is 7/25 or 28%:


Now lets look at Lebron James "who apparently the lakers would rather have luke walton take the shot"

2006 Washington Wizards Game 3 Make James makes a game winning shot with 5 seconds left
2006 Washington Wizards Game 5 Miss James misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2006 Washington Wizards Game 5 Make James makes a game winning shot with 3 seconds left in OT
2007 Detroit Pistons Game 2 Miss James misses a game winning shot with 7 seconds left
2007 Detroit Pistons Game 5 Make James makes a game tying shot with 9 seconds left
2007 Detroit Pistons Game 5 Make James makes a game winning shot with 2 seconds left
2007 San Antonio Spurs Game 3 Miss James misses a game tying 3-point shot with 1 second left
2008 Washington Wizards Game 5 Miss James misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2008 Boston Celtics Game 1 Miss James misses a game tying shot with 9 seconds left
2009 Orlando Magic Game 2 Make James makes a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2009 Orlando Magic Game 4 Miss James misses a game winning shot at the end of regulation
2011 Philadelphia 76ers Game 4 Miss James misses a game tying shot with 3 seconds left on the clock

The end result: During his 8 year career, Lebron James is 5/12 or 47% (or in other words, ONLY 2 LESS MAKES THEN KOBE IN 13 LESS ATTEMPTS!)


I doubt we will see you in this thread again..

I'm not reading that shit. What is that the script for avatar or something.

[darkhat]

Just in the Finals though.

So don't ask for change during that time.

[dlunc3]

I'm not reading that shit. What is that the script for avatar or something.

just read the bolded part

but you are continuing to prove yourself as an ignorant bias homer.. you base your opinion off just that, opinion... ill base mine of off fact

[wantitall4moi]

Lebron is a bad comparison but he basically carried the Cavs in that finals series they had. At least in the games he showed up. HE single handedly won 2 of those games on his own.

Is he a great finisher? No. But if he gave anywhere near the effort he should he could be.

Kobe has no conscience, he just doesnt give a shit. His personal life proves that out. He rapes some chick in Denver, rats out Shaq, then his wife accuses Karl malone of harassing her and it is just a big soap opera. He pays of the victim, he buys his wife a 4 million dollar ring, and lets her hang around for 10 more years so she can get the full pay day. He apologizes for his action but has basically been banging chicks in every city he lands in for the past decade. He has no morals, no scruples and no sense of accountability. That is why he can do the shit he does on the court.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. He just has enough deluded idiots sniffing his jock and defending him to make him think he is doing the right thing.

James getting booed out of the city and in more than a few areans is probaly th best thing for the guy gives him a dose of reality. But it neuters that gene in him that allows him to do think without any second guessing. That is basically the only difference between his game and kobes. Other than James is a better player.

You know what I would like to see? Some sort of trade to get Bynum and Lebron together. Wade is a good player but he isnt a big man with skills. Or even James and Howard. They could I suppose get rid of Bosh and a few other stiff and get a legit big 3. But the make up isnt there for dominance. I would say the Clippers big 3 is a more legit big 3 than the Heat have. And give Jordan a year or two more and it will probably prove itself out.

[darkhat]

just read the bolded part

but you are continuing to prove yourself as an ignorant bias homer.. you base your opinion off just that, opinion... ill base mine of off fact

I obviously understand what you're trying to say, and anyone can copy and paste websites to help their case. I can just go copy and paste how kobe has the most game winning shots of all time, and leave off the misses.

My point ultimately is lebron isn't clutch cause he plays in fear. He mails it in during big games. Kobe wants the ball and doesn't back down. He has missed a lot, because he always has to put the team on his back. Jordan understood this concept.

"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."

One time when I was hanging out with Jordan at the playboy mansion, right before I hooked up with some model, he told me that always reminds him of kobe.

[dlunc3]

I obviously understand what you're trying to say, and anyone can copy and paste websites to help their case. I can just go copy and paste how kobe has the most game winning shots of all time, and leave off the misses.

My point ultimately is lebron isn't clutch cause he plays in fear. He mails it in during big games. Kobe wants the ball and doesn't back down. He has missed a lot, because he always has to put the team on his back. Jordan understood this concept.

"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."

One time when I was hanging out with Jordan at the playboy Mansion, right before I hooked up with some model, he told me that always reminds him of kobe.

that is pure nonsense... he misses a lot, and lebron makes a lot.. .he has only made 2 more then lebron has in over double the attempts.. please show me a post season stats to prove me wrong... lebron is a better post season player with the game on the line and the stats prove it.. there is no argument

[darkhat]

that is pure nonsense... he misses a lot, and lebron makes a lot.. .he has only made 2 more then lebron has in over double the attempts.. please show me a post season stats to prove me wrong... lebron is a better post season player with the game on the line and the stats prove it.. there is no argument

But what were the games.. How many times has lebron carried his team in the 4th during the finals. I know a lot of dudes that are good in the regular season. What about John Starks.. is he still on the knicks? he plays fairly well during the regular season too.

[darkhat]

SBR should totally just make a separate forum for Kobe VS Lebron talk.

[dlunc3]

I obviously understand what you're trying to say, and anyone can copy and paste websites to help their case. I can just go copy and paste how kobe has the most game winning shots of all time, and leave off the misses.

My point ultimately is lebron isn't clutch cause he plays in fear. He mails it in during big games. Kobe wants the ball and doesn't back down. He has missed a lot, because he always has to put the team on his back.Jordan understood this concept.

"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."

One time when I was hanging out with Jordan at the playboy mansion, right before I hooked up with some model, he told me that always reminds him of kobe.

its called he is a selfish ballhog..


"In only 92 career playoff games Lebron James has attempted 12 game winning/game tying shots. By comparison, in 208 career playoff games, Kobe Bryant has attempted 25 game winning/game tying shots. Now, I understand that there are a variety of factors that come into play as to why one player has had more shot opportunities over the other, but the notion that Lebron is unwilling, or afraid is false considering that after 8 playoff seasons, he is on a faster pace to take more game winning/game tying playoff shots in his career than Kobe Bryant.

Many NBA fans love to point to Game 1 of the 2007 Eastern Conference Finals as evidence of Lebron’s reluctance in last-shot situations. At the end of that game, Lebron drove the lane, encountered a double-team, and instead of shooting, passed off to Donyell Marshall for wide-open three point shot attempt to win - a shot that Marshall had repeatedly hit during crucial moments throughout the 2007 season – except this time, he missed, and fingers were pointed back at The King.

For the record, Lebron James did not pass up that shot because he was afraid or unwilling. He obviously wasn’t afraid or unwilling during the prior year’s playoffs in 2006 when he attempted 3 game winning/game tying shots in only 2 playoff rounds. He obviously wasn’t afraid or unwilling when only two games later (Game 5) in 2007, he attempted and made both the game winning and game tying shot while scoring his team’s last 25 points in one of the most legendary individual performances in NBA history. Instead, Lebron simply made the correct basketball play; the same correct basketball play that Kobe Bryant made when double teamed during Game 4 of the 2009 NBA Finals in which he passed off to Derek Fisher for the game winning shot. The same correct basketball play that Isiah Thomas made when double teamed during Game 5 of the 1990 NBA Finals in which he passed off to Vinnie Johnson for the game winning shot. The same correct basketball play that Michael Jordan made when double teamed during Game 6 of the 1997 NBA Finals when he passed off to Steve Kerr for the game winning shot.

Instead of forcing low percentage shots that have little opportunity to go in, Lebron has historically done what every coach, GM, fan, and talking head has always preached to their superstars – take the highest percentage shot and trust your teammates. Derek Fisher, Vinnie Johnson, Steve Kerr all came to prominence because their star player gave them a chance, and Donyell Marshall was no different. The only distinction is that Donyell Marshall missed. However, this notion that Lebron James is afraid of the big shot is completely unfounded."


Just bc kobe is a ballhog, does not mean he is clutch... there is no argument to say kobe is better with the game on the line, other then your own personal opinion. Facts and stats done lie.. so you might as well stop lying to yourself.

[dlunc3]

But what were the games.. How many times has lebron carried his team in the 4th during the finals. I know a lot of dudes that are good in the regular season. What about John Starks.. is he still on the knicks? he plays fairly well during the regular season too.

every stat I showed you was from the post season, in games that matter and that are big pressure games... under that pressure, kobe shoots 28%, lebron shoots 42% and makes better decisions

[dlunc3]

SBR should totally just make a separate forum for Kobe VS Lebron talk.

that would turn into the same as this: an opinion VS fact forum..

stats and facts are all that matter when it comes to comparing individuals

personal opinions should stay silent in this type of debate

[darkhat]

its called he is a selfish ballhog..


"In only 92 career playoff games Lebron James has attempted 12 game winning/game tying shots. By comparison, in 208 career playoff games, Kobe Bryant has attempted 25 game winning/game tying shots. Now, I understand that there are a variety of factors that come into play as to why one player has had more shot opportunities over the other, but the notion that Lebron is unwilling, or afraid is false considering that after 8 playoff seasons, he is on a faster pace to take more game winning/game tying playoff shots in his career than Kobe Bryant.

Many NBA fans love to point to Game 1 of the 2007 Eastern Conference Finals as evidence of Lebron’s reluctance in last-shot situations. At the end of that game, Lebron drove the lane, encountered a double-team, and instead of shooting, passed off to Donyell Marshall for wide-open three point shot attempt to win - a shot that Marshall had repeatedly hit during crucial moments throughout the 2007 season – except this time, he missed, and fingers were pointed back at The King.

For the record, Lebron James did not pass up that shot because he was afraid or unwilling. He obviously wasn’t afraid or unwilling during the prior year’s playoffs in 2006 when he attempted 3 game winning/game tying shots in only 2 playoff rounds. He obviously wasn’t afraid or unwilling when only two games later (Game 5) in 2007, he attempted and made both the game winning and game tying shot while scoring his team’s last 25 points in one of the most legendary individual performances in NBA history. Instead, Lebron simply made the correct basketball play; the same correct basketball play that Kobe Bryant made when double teamed during Game 4 of the 2009 NBA Finals in which he passed off to Derek Fisher for the game winning shot. The same correct basketball play that Isiah Thomas made when double teamed during Game 5 of the 1990 NBA Finals in which he passed off to Vinnie Johnson for the game winning shot. The same correct basketball play that Michael Jordan made when double teamed during Game 6 of the 1997 NBA Finals when he passed off to Steve Kerr for the game winning shot.

Instead of forcing low percentage shots that have little opportunity to go in, Lebron has historically done what every coach, GM, fan, and talking head has always preached to their superstars – take the highest percentage shot and trust your teammates. Derek Fisher, Vinnie Johnson, Steve Kerr all came to prominence because their star player gave them a chance, and Donyell Marshall was no different. The only distinction is that Donyell Marshall missed. However, this notion that Lebron James is afraid of the big shot is completely unfounded."


Just bc kobe is a ballhog, does not mean he is clutch... there is no argument to say kobe is better with the game on the line, other then your own personal opinion. Facts and stats done lie.. so you might as well stop lying to yourself.

Selfish? Is it selfish to score over 80 points in a game. Was Mother Teresa selfish to help over 80 people? Well, I think the answer to this is BUT OH MY GOD DO YOU HEAR THIS DRAMATIC MUSIC AS KOBE SCORES IN SLOW MOTION.

[dlunc3]

Selfish? Is it selfish to score over 80 points in a game. Was Mother Teresa selfish to help over 80 people? Well, I think the answer to this is BUT OH MY GOD DO YOU HEAR THIS DRAMATIC MUSIC AS KOBE SCORES IN SLOW MOTION.

where can i find the other 72%? all the buzzer beaters he has missed?

[darkhat]

where can i find the other 72%? all the buzzer beaters he has missed?

It must be hidden away with all those youtube videos of "Lebron's top 10 buzzer beaters."

[darkhat]

The only way people will talk about lebron being clutch is if he legally changed his name to Kobe Bryant.

[dlunc3]

It must be hidden away with all those youtube videos of "Lebron's top 10 buzzer beaters."

yea, you are probably right... lebrons 42% makes are hiding all of kobes 72% misses... thats pretty ugly dont you think? he misses 7.2 out of 10 last second shots .. speaking of luke walton, maybe they do need to give him a try

[dlunc3]

The only way people will talk about lebron being clutch is if he legally changed his name to Kobe Bryant.

they can "think" all they want.. espn can persuade you anyway they want huh?

too bad all these people are 100% wrong, and their is no argument against it

[darkhat]

yea, you are probably right... lebrons 42% makes are hiding all of kobes 72% misses... thats pretty ugly dont you think? he misses 7.2 out of 10 last second shots .. speaking of luke walton, maybe they do need to give him a try

They can't give Luke a try cause Kobe is a fukin blood thirsty assassin. He'll take a billion shots if he has to. He doesn't have wade or bosh to hide behind. He has some fear ridden Spaniard and a 57 year old point guard to rely on.

[onlooker]

Here are some of Lebron's. Do they have to be jumpers?

[dlunc3]

They can't give Luke a try cause Kobe is a fukin blood thirsty assassin. He'll take a billion shots if he has to. He doesn't have wade or bosh to hide behind. He has some fear ridden Spaniard and a 57 year old point guard to rely on.

true.. i guess they will have to settle for 28%

[darkhat]

It's like Tony Romo.. Lebron will have awesome stat lines all the time. And people can even copy and paste how he has the highest QB rating in the history of the universe in the 4th quarter, but when it matters.. he loses. Kobe wins, he has no fear of failure. He has 5 rings obviously. Because he is a winner. Romo and Lebron can't close.

[dlunc3]

It's like Tony Romo.. Lebron will have awesome stat lines, and people can even copy and paste how he has the highest QB rating in the history of the universe in the 4th quarter, but when it matters.. he loses. Kobe wins, he has no fear of failure. He has 5 rings obviously. Because he is a winner. Romo and Lebron can't close.

except lebron has been much better then kobe with the game on the line in the postseason... so there goes that opinion based argument

[darkhat]

except lebron has been much better then kobe with the game on the line in the postseason... so there goes that argument

If you measure a "much better post season" as "choking in the finals." Lebron has never closed well ever in the post season, or else he would have a ring. That's what closing is, being a winner.

[dlunc3]

If you measure a "much better post season" as "choking in the finals." Lebron has never closed well ever in the post season, or else he would have a ring. That's what closing is, being a winner.

another opinion? maybe you can answer this... what is better, 28% or 42%?

[onlooker]

Lebron has never closed well ever in the post season, or else he would have a ring. That's what closing is, being a winner.

Yes he hasn't won a Finals, but I thought there were more series in the Playoffs then just the Finals. We all seem to forget the Celtics and Bulls series last year, for something recent.

[darkhat]

another opinion? maybe you can answer this... what is better, 28% or 42%?

What's better 5 championships or 0. DWade and bosh or a lanky Spaniard and a 73 year old pg.

[darkhat]

Yes he hasn't won a Finals, but I thought there were more series in the Playoffs then just the Finals. We all seem to forget the Celtics and Bulls series last year, for something recent.

Soon enough wade will get it for him I'm sure.

[dlunc3]

What's better 5 championships or 0. DWade and bosh or a lanky Spaniard and a 73 year old pg.

did you say shaq? i cant remember?

[onlooker]

Soon enough wade will get it for him I'm sure.

Your saying he has never won in the playoffs, he has. Just making it clear.

Don't get it twisted, Lebron is the better player on that team.

[dlunc3]

how about this? lebron is 27, kobe is 33? the championship argument means nothing as lebron has a whole career ahead of him

jordan had 0 at age 27 as well fyi...


lets stick to individual stats... where kobe is not in the same league

[darkhat]

did you say shaq? i cant remember?

Who the fuk is shaq? I think we can all agree Kobe carried those teams.. He was younger and modest, and wanted shaq to just average more ppg so he wouldn't get too famous too quick.. However, 87% of the time a big game was played on tuesday - Friday, Kobe did better in the 4th. 96.3% of the time Kobe dribbled with his right hand before he took a jump shot on the east corner, the lakers won the game.

Science.

[darkhat]

Your saying he has never won in the playoffs, he has. Just making it clear.

Don't get it twisted, Lebron is the better player on that team.

hey, we need to refer to the heat winning as a team when they win, but if they lose it's only Lebron's fault.

[dlunc3]

Who the fuk is shaq? I think we can all agree Kobe carried those teams.. He was younger and modest, and wanted shaq to just average more ppg so he wouldn't get too famous too quick.. However, 87% of the time a big game was played on tuesday - Friday, Kobe did better in the 4th. 96.3% of the time Kobe dribbled with his right hand before he took a jump shot on the east corner, the lakers won the game.

Science.

what?????????

that is the end of it... nothing out of your mouth has any merit...

gl on your bets

[dlunc3]

how about this? lebron is 27, kobe is 33? the championship argument means nothing as lebron has a whole career ahead of him

jordan had 0 at age 27 as well fyi...


lets stick to individual stats... where kobe is not in the same league

we will end with this ... as well as once again.. remember these numbers:

28% and 42%

[darkhat]

what?????????

that is the end of it... nothing out of your mouth has any merit...

gl on your bets

What did Shaq ever do. He couldn't score in the paint, he couldn't block, he couldn't rebound. He just hit free throws.