Creditwagering - I want you guys to know something.

[picantel]

It is pretty obvious CW is not located in CR. The interesting question is where will they be located come start of football season. I am told they will open up an office in Europe at the start of NFL season and will allow SBR to visit them. It should be fairly obvious why SBR is not allowed to visit them now and if you cannot figure it out then you are retarded.

[bettilimbroke999]

dan is just looking out for the newbies. he might exaggerated a bit, but i do agree with john's assessment that cw's shit will hit the fan soon. when it does, expect 50+ cw threads a day.

Ppl been saying that for the last 5 months, when is "soon", 10 months, 10 years, when?

[SBR Lou]

Maybe I am just old fashioned in some ways, but I believe in being good for your word. So as a player, if I am playing there, I'm going to pay when I lose, and I expect to get paid when I win. That goes for CW, BD, etc.

I know that at the end of the day, I won't be the one to break that cycle. So until that happens, these people could be based in Antarctica for all I care because it's irrelevant to me. Sure, I'd prefer they're in a legal jurisdiction, but I don't feel the need to call a lawyer. Players aren't went after, and if they ever are in some weird twist of fate, if you pay Uncle Sam you have nothing to worry about. And, might I add, you should be reporting gambling wins/losses anyway.

Do I think you should post up at one of these new credit shops? No I don't, but I think so long as people are reporting positive payout experiences they're worth having as an extra out. This will be my last correspondence on this topic, as it kind of bores me by now.

[Shark79]

Danm!! Pretty late to say anything now ... but CW since day 1 looked very suspicious. It might even be sponsored by the FBI to start investigations with ppl that gamble in the US.

[jjgold]

Most books start out great and the majority go broke, that is fact.

[bettilimbroke999]

Yes it's run by the govt. Ben is really GWB and creditwagering is really a CIA front, the super stiff page is just cuz the govts broke and they need you to pay your gambling debts to keep the country afloat, also pimike is Condoleeza Rice. You guys are sharp as a tack

[bigboydan]

No one at any forum had ever heard of them , or mentioned them before your post.

Then you make a post about them and every forum lights up like a Christmas tree talking about them.

Sometimes things are better left unsaid , I wonder why.

Before you start your "conspiracy theories" sir. You might want to go do some searching and see what forum the original thread about them generated from. Contrary to popular belief, SBR is not the only gaming forum out there on the net.

[pokernut9999]

Before you start your "conspiracy theories" sir. You might want to go do some searching and see what forum the original thread about them generated from. Contrary to popular belief, SBR is not the only gaming forum out there on the net.

Most if not all your warnings come with the title "SCAM ALERT"

Not "anyone ever heard of this book ?"

Link below.

Only time I ever saw a new book presented here this way, just a casual observation.

When posters post links to books like that they are deleted.

[pokernut9999]

I guess your government theories and not an attempt to start a consipiracy.

[pico]

Ppl been saying that for the last 5 months, when is "soon", 10 months, 10 years, when?

i am not saying you shouldn't bet there. if you think i am wrong, you're can always post up on CW. i could careless where you bet.

i am just stating my opnion that CW is a sketchy book, and i am not going to bet there and i've been telling everyone that i give a damn to stay away from there.

dan is just looking out for everyone's interest. as his comment about blackdog...that was back from last year...even back then i thought blackdog is a scam book.

[pavyracer]

Most books start out great and the majority go broke, that is fact.

Why do you contradict yourself so often? If only 2% of bettors win and 98% lose then how does the majority of books go broke?

Enlighten me Aristotelis.

[bettilimbroke999]

i am not saying you shouldn't bet there. if you think i am wrong, you're can always post up on CW. i could careless where you bet.

i am just stating my opnion that CW is a sketchy book, and i am not going to bet there and i've been telling everyone that i give a damn to stay away from there.

dan is just looking out for everyone's interest. as his comment about blackdog...that was back from last year...even back then i thought blackdog is a scam book.

Why the hell would some1 post up at a credit book, the whole concept which makes CW better than the rest is that you don't have to "prepay" for losses that you don't intend on having anyway, why should I have to pay money up front for a bet which I intend to win, makes no sense when you think about it

[pokernut9999]

Why the hell would some1 post up at a credit book, the whole concept which makes CW better than the rest is that you don't have to "prepay" for losses that you don't intend on having anyway, why should I have to pay money up front for a bet which I intend to win, makes no sense when you think about it

It more than doubles your betting limits .

[pico]

Why the hell would some1 post up at a credit book, the whole concept which makes CW better than the rest is that you don't have to "prepay" for losses that you don't intend on having anyway, why should I have to pay money up front for a bet which I intend to win, makes no sense when you think about it

if you're gambling with money you don't have, you have a problem. i know what credit shop is. my point is that you gotta have confidence in a book to do post up. if you're happy with cw, that is great. you know all the risks about betting at an unknown shop. dan is just trying to tell those who has no clue about the difference between pinnacle and beted the risks about CW, which i think all the highschool drop outs at this board should be careful before they sign up.

[bettilimbroke999]

It more than doubles your betting limits .

If you are wagering more than a 100 a game (by the way that's wager 100 not risk 100, so those of you like to take chalk can risk 500 to win 100 if you like) should play at A rated books, I am not telling sharp 5k a game bettors to start posting up 20 dimes at CW, clearly that would not be wise. But if you're wagering 50-100 a game then the amount of risk you're exposing yourself to by playing at CW if they fold is very small. Any1 posting up at CW is an idiot IMO as you could post up at an A rated book instead of a new book, but as far as betting 50 bucks on games for MLB season (which is just like playing scratchoff lotto anyway so no real reason to bet more than 50-100) then CW seems like a great out IMO and I have received two payouts so far from them added to the debit card instantly.

[bettilimbroke999]

if you're gambling with money you don't have, you have a problem. i know what credit shop is. my point is that you gotta have confidence in a book to do post up. if you're happy with cw, that is great. you know all the risks about betting at an unknown shop. dan is just trying to tell those who has no clue about the difference between pinnacle and beted the risks about CW, which i think all the highschool drop outs at this board should be careful before they sign up.

Posting up at a credit book that's only 5 months old would mean you're retarded not confident, you'd be taking risks simply for the purpose of taking them. Any1 whose that dumb won't have any money to post up anyway. I would recommend A books if you are going to postup as why would any1 use an unrated book versus an A book with the same features, but for a credit book for rec. player CW seems great to me.

[compaqDikk]

i was at a concert last night (stag of course) and saw a drivers license on the floor sitting by myself at the patio. my first thought was, snag that son of a bitch and take another shot with CW. but how would i have gotten a debit card if i won (submit a change of address form frauduntly)? how long would they put me away for? (what are you in for sir says my roommate)so i said fukk it, and put it up for sale on ebay

[bettilimbroke999]

I agree the biggest threat to CW is scammers that will get their friends IDs and open multiple accounts, I am not sure how CW deals with that problem but it could easily become a huge issue, though with as small as CW is I am sure they notice new accounts from the same city/area

[Cloak & Dagger]

I've made warnings before about this book but SBR gets a lot of new people so please let me cover a few points.

1) Its a house of cards. One day it will be no more. We have covered this before but the business math simply does not work.

2) They claim to be in CR but folks, they are not. They most likely run this remotely from the good ole USA. I dont have proof of this but I strongly suspect it. No one in Costa Rica has ever heard of them. SBR has asked to inspect their facility and they have refused. They simply dont have one and they are not here.

3) The Feds will get them if they dont fail first and when they do they will get your records. If you are 100% clean on your taxes and everything else then probably no worries.

This will end messy. If you want to avoid the bad ending do not send them a photo ID or any other personal info.

way ahead of you my friend....good to see you lookin out for everyone

I tried to do the same but the touts and shills attacked me daily....and they have ALOT...seen on various forums

I know...they were just trying to get a check...regardless if they were hustling newbies...I wouldnt sink to that...I have other hustles

I wont knock their hustle though....but when it all crashes I'll be there saying "I told you so"

[jjgold]

Why do you contradict yourself so often? If only 2% of bettors win and 98% lose then how does the majority of books go broke?

Enlighten me Aristotelis.

Not enough money to run books
operating costs, employees, ect/bad money management
owners going South with money, blowing on hookers, drugs, ect

Many books/businesses win/make money and go bankrupt for some of reasons I mentioned and others.

[pico]

way ahead of you my friend....good to see you lookin out for everyone

I tried to do the same but the touts and shills attacked me daily....and they have ALOT...seen on various forums

but they were just trying to get a check...regardless if they were hustling newbies...I wouldnt sink to that...I have other hustles

I wont knock their hustle though....but I will be there saying "I told you so"

same here. there is nothing to gain from saying anything bad about cw at this point because the shills are just gonna make it personal.

i am writing posts like this so one day those people who get stiffed at cw and read the old posts and realize how many times the mods and posters with good intentions have warned them.

to be fair, a sketchy credit book is way better than a shady post up...the most one player has to lose any given week is probably 400-2k, which is not that devestating as oppose lose 10k+ at a post up.

[bettilimbroke999]

People have been saying CW is going out of business for 5 months now, at what point do you stop saying that, after a year it's gonna be getting kinda old

[bettilimbroke999]

Nothing wrong with being a shill, CW pays well

[Cloak & Dagger]

Getting stiffed is not the main thing right now , it is why all the deception and what may happen later down the road.

Why give all your personal info to a complete stranger that you have no idea who they are , where they are, and they have no phone ?


Remember pyramid scemes ? People keep getting paid over and over for so long then boom, all gone.

There business model is so flawed it is insane. I am sure in time they will hope people will post up 5k to have a 11k credit limit and then watch out. It looks enticing does it not ?

Why send 5k to an A book when you can send it to them and have 11k limit. In order to scam people you have to pay first and I would be very skeptical midway thru football.

You can not give 1k credit to every Tom , Dick and Harry
and survive.

I still find it strange that BigBoyDan discovered them when no one else ever heard of them.

what is that suppost to mean?

[Cloak & Dagger]

I don't expect John to endorse them, if I were in his position I wouldn't either. As a player all I can say is they've paid me when I've won, and I've settled my losses as well.

Whether or not they crash and burn in the future is anybody's guess, but I don't think players have anything to worry about from a legal perspective. The onus would be on CW should they be based in an illegal jurisdiction, which I really have no idea if they are or aren't.

and what position would that be sir?

the "looking out for the player and not promoting scam books position"

you're right...YOU wouldnt be in Johns "position"...ever

man crazyl...sometimes I think CW is the hand that feeds you....like if it wasent for the money you get from them...you would be at a homeless shelter

[pokernut9999]

Strange that Crazyl and Dan are such good buddies too

[Cloak & Dagger]

Gamblers should pay taxes period, not just because they're playing at some anonymous credit shop.

I agree gambling with money one doesn't have is a bad proposition, but having an extra out with a weekly debit card payout isn't really so bad. I'd rather play on credit at a shop that pays the same day every week than post up at a D book that takes 3 weeks to issue a check.

Is the safer option strictly posting up at A+ books? Absolutely. But sometimes one deviates from that for whatever reason, be they deposit options, softer lines, scalping opportunities, bonuses etc. Just the other day I deposited a nickel into a D book simply because I had 10 minutes prior to a game starting, and no A book could service me that quickly.

ya....you FOR SURE would never be in Johns "position"

Strange that Crazyl and Dan are such good buddies too

damn....you got their wheels turnin now

[Cloak & Dagger]

I just had a long conversation with CW. From what I am told about everything (they have always been straight up with me) I am satified with what they have told me.

like CW gives a rats ass about YOU

[frostno98]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this theory at all yet. Could it be possible that this could be the U.S. government's latest tactic to fight online gaming transaction from happening?

Uh, dan I think I wrote a thorough post about just that back when this Creditwagering hoopla 1st surface. I'll try to bump it, if I can find it.

[SBR Lou]

Strange that Crazyl and Dan are such good buddies too

I'm not sure I understand this comment. Dan is a great moderator and he provides readers with invaluable information, if at times he is cautionary in his messages it is because that is his job.

I personally have played at CW, been paid, paid them, those have been my experiences. So I'm unsure what you are getting at.

[SBR Lou]

and what position would that be sir?

the "looking out for the player and not promoting scam books position"

you're right...YOU wouldnt be in Johns "position"...ever

man crazyl...sometimes I think CW is the hand that feeds you....like if it wasent for the money you get from them...you would be at a homeless shelter

If I was the founder of a watchdog site I would not feel comfortable personally recommending any upstart book, whether post up or credit until they've been around at least a year and have a track record of paying winners.

So far, CW has delivered on the paying out front, so as of now the only complaints to be issued are just skeptical opinions IMO. We'll see how long they are around...

[german 69]

I am not sure if anyone posted this info so far but the word is that cw is backed by a group of people from Hongkong and Bangladesh. That is really no joke. I was told that by someone close to CW. He is from England and promotes CW in several forums.

[Cloak & Dagger]

I am not sure if anyone posted this info so far but the word is that cw is backed by a group of people from Hongkong and Bangladesh. That is really no joke. I was told that by someone close to CW. He is from England and promotes CW in several forums.

man....CW sure tells alot of their information to their players

[shifer]

Most books start out great and the majority go broke, that is fact.

Sounds like the story of your life..

[bettilimbroke999]

I just emptied my savings account to post up at CW, I want them to raise my limits, best decision I ever made