Why do we tip in casino games like blackjack? Or even poker?

[bigdog3580]

I could profit at the end if I dont tip, so I dont.

[Doug]

I'd bet tips are down quite a bit in casinos.

[bettilimbroke999]

Tipping is a very cultural thing, there are many parts in the world where people do not tip. I went to China and ate at a restaurant, I left a tip, and the waitress came running up to me saying I accidentally left some money on the table. They have no idea what tipping is and why someone should get paid extra for doing their job.

Exactly! That's their ******* job! They're not doing it as a favor to you, ppl who believe in tipping should tip every single person that does work for them, tip the guy who grilled that steak for ya in 100 degree heat in the back all night not just the chick who brought the plate to your table, tip the cashier, tip the busboy, if you want to tip ppl just for doing their jobs why stop only at waitresses and dealers?

The ONLY reason why ppl tip waitresses and dealers is bc other ppl tip them, if other ppl didnt tip them they wouldnt tip them a cent, if everyone tipped the busboy these ppl would argue all day about how busboys dont make shit or the workers at McDs dont make shit, etc. But since no one tips them they say **** em let em do hard labor for minimum wage who gives a ****

[SprayBoy]

Yeah true but some professions like waitressing etc rely on tips to make any $ so i always feel obliged.

[wrongturn]

Unless you play for fun or tipping gets you more face cards, then tip. Otherwise, why bother.

[dealer]

As a dealer (table games NOT poker), I read all 5 pages of this post so I felt the need to register on this forum to comment.

Whilst there is no requirement to tip your dealer there is a need. I work for Harrah's (in PA) and they pay us $5 an hour base pay (which is obviously below federal and state minimum wage laws). They are allowed to do this because of our toke rate (the average daily rate of all the days tips) puts us above the minimum wage.

Poker dealers do the exact same, or less, amount of work than us table games dealers, yet they ALWAYS make more, up to twice as much or more daily pay. Why is this? Because poker dealers have 9 people at the table, and if one tips then the rest of the table feels obligated to tip, if they don't poker players will voice their disgust to the cheap ass for not tipping. Poker culture supports dealer tipping. Blackjack however does not. Players will win, lose, or tie and just walk away no tip. (Also it is our policy that we may not solicit tips in any way shape or form, which may or may not be helping us get tips)

I agree with the racist chic fil a guy that the casino has a responsibility to pay us more, however, they do not do it, so we rely on patron's generosity to tip us, we are providing a service, service industry is a tipping reliant industry, bottom line.

I am all for living in a perfect world where the record profits of the casino are given back to the employees in the form of a fair salary but this isn't a perfect world, and dealers need tips.

My last word to you all, if a player hits a $15 blackjack and wins $22.50, they throw me that $2.50 chip one time and I am their best friend for the rest of their stay at the table because that means a lot to me, and all the dealers. If everyone contributed just that small amount we wouldn't be struggling to support our families like we are. Good Luck

[beanbag]

i do if i win a pretty big hand.. im talking almost all in poker hand!

[19th Hole]

Winners tip.
Losers go home.

[Optional]

As a dealer (table games NOT poker), I read all 5 pages of this post so I felt the need to register on this forum to comment.

Whilst there is no requirement to tip your dealer there is a need. I work for Harrah's (in PA) and they pay us $5 an hour base pay (which is obviously below federal and state minimum wage laws). They are allowed to do this because of our toke rate (the average daily rate of all the days tips) puts us above the minimum wage.

Poker dealers do the exact same, or less, amount of work than us table games dealers, yet they ALWAYS make more, up to twice as much or more daily pay. Why is this? Because poker dealers have 9 people at the table, and if one tips then the rest of the table feels obligated to tip, if they don't poker players will voice their disgust to the cheap ass for not tipping. Poker culture supports dealer tipping. Blackjack however does not. Players will win, lose, or tie and just walk away no tip. (Also it is our policy that we may not solicit tips in any way shape or form, which may or may not be helping us get tips)

I agree with the racist chic fil a guy that the casino has a responsibility to pay us more, however, they do not do it, so we rely on patron's generosity to tip us, we are providing a service, service industry is a tipping reliant industry, bottom line.

I am all for living in a perfect world where the record profits of the casino are given back to the employees in the form of a fair salary but this isn't a perfect world, and dealers need tips.

My last word to you all, if a player hits a $15 blackjack and wins $22.50, they throw me that $2.50 chip one time and I am their best friend for the rest of their stay at the table because that means a lot to me, and all the dealers. If everyone contributed just that small amount we wouldn't be struggling to support our families like we are. Good Luck

I know unemployment is high, but what makes reasonably intelligent and presentable people (which almost all dealers seem to be) submit themselves to that sort of crap?

You can earn more than 5 bucks an hour sitting at home in your jocks doing menial internet work on your computer.

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

Was at Rio tonight to play some cash games. Went with friend to HL slots so he could play $25 triple play. He is a strong tipper on his jackpots. He didn't hold a King due to playing too fast and double tapping hold button. Ended up where he would have had 4 Kings for $3125. Manager didn't blink and paid him on the spot. Spoke with the guy and asked why he paid my friend. Response was, "he is good player who takes care of my staff. I know he isn't a shot taker. If he was an asshole, I would have called surveillance and Gaming to file dispute paperwork. My friend tried to tip him a few c-notes and the manager politely declined and said "to please take care of my staff." The manager was a class act, especially considering he was fairly young. Moral of story is being a tipper can help you on a dispute. He also gave us the under and Mariners. Apparently according to my friend, the guy is a very good capper who specializes in cfb to the point only M and Wynn take his action. Will try and get his plays come cfb season.

Spot on with the beginning of this post.
taking care of your floormen and dealers will give you the benefit of the doubt on any table dispute there is as well. If you take care of them theyll take care of you.

[FuzzyDunlop]

In my minimal table game experience, I find that dealers really appreciate when you make a wager on their behalf, especially a hopping craps table when you announce a pass line bet for the boys.


Also this whole thread is

[HauntingTheHoly]

You can earn more than 5 bucks an hour sitting at home in your jocks doing menial internet work on your computer.

Have you ever done it, or are you just repeating what someone else (or a spam email) said? I looked into doing sorts of "menial Internet" work a few years ago and I found it all to be straight scam.

[bettilimbroke999]

As a dealer (table games NOT poker), I read all 5 pages of this post so I felt the need to register on this forum to comment.

Whilst there is no requirement to tip your dealer there is a need. I work for Harrah's (in PA) and they pay us $5 an hour base pay (which is obviously below federal and state minimum wage laws). They are allowed to do this because of our toke rate (the average daily rate of all the days tips) puts us above the minimum wage.

Poker dealers do the exact same, or less, amount of work than us table games dealers, yet they ALWAYS make more, up to twice as much or more daily pay. Why is this? Because poker dealers have 9 people at the table, and if one tips then the rest of the table feels obligated to tip, if they don't poker players will voice their disgust to the cheap ass for not tipping. Poker culture supports dealer tipping. Blackjack however does not. Players will win, lose, or tie and just walk away no tip. (Also it is our policy that we may not solicit tips in any way shape or form, which may or may not be helping us get tips)

I agree with the racist chic fil a guy that the casino has a responsibility to pay us more, however, they do not do it, so we rely on patron's generosity to tip us, we are providing a service, service industry is a tipping reliant industry, bottom line.

I am all for living in a perfect world where the record profits of the casino are given back to the employees in the form of a fair salary but this isn't a perfect world, and dealers need tips.

My last word to you all, if a player hits a $15 blackjack and wins $22.50, they throw me that $2.50 chip one time and I am their best friend for the rest of their stay at the table because that means a lot to me, and all the dealers. If everyone contributed just that small amount we wouldn't be struggling to support our families like we are. Good Luck

Wrong sir, WRONG!

The service industry does not depend on tips, when I go to McDs, Chick-Fil A, whatever I have never seen one person tip yet they operate 1000s of stores across the US, you help the casino rob ppl for a living yet you expect the ppl that you are robbing to care about you while the casino that you're doing the robbing for doesnt even consider your work worth as much as a 16 yr old burger flipper at McDs, tough , enjoy dealin for 5 bucks an hour as far as Im concerned or quit, its also quite a stretch to call dealing cards in a rigged game to rob ppl providing a "service" anyway

[IGotIt500]

I guess I won't be tipping these dealers from now on.

[alling]

really why just not tip everywhere you use a service/buy goods. start by tipping the bank teller.

[mtneer1212]

There have been occasions where a few tips on a few hands causes the dealer to 'miscount' on occasion, which then makes it a +EV situation. I have known several dealers to add my 5 cards (3,7,2,A,5) up to '19', when he has 19 (Q9), turning my loss into a push. It allows me to continue to tip him, and if someone calls from upstairs, he can just say, "sorry, I miscounted". Not every hand, but even one or twice an hour is a huge swing.

If after a few tips, I get no help, the tips stop.

[mtneer1212]

Plus, I don't mind tipping a colorful dealer who makes the game more fun, and is personable. I will rarely tip the mechanical robots who stare off into space and seem to get mad when you win, like you are taking their money.

[homerbush]

Hey some dealers are better than others and make the games more fun so why not tip. But, I refuse to tip in casinos where everybody shares every bodies tips. What a horrible model and reward system.

[Keith Richard]

I tip when I win but don't usually when I lose.It's that simple.

[underthe total]

if you don't tip when it is appropriate you are in the wrong

appreciation is shown by tipping

if you don't appreciate them you are not human

[underthe total]

i tip win or lose, its bigger when i win

[wal66]

I tip but it get's difficult on those days when you are losing and losing and losing and then winning a small pot. I still tip though. When I am winning I tip better and many times have figured it up at the end of the day and realized I had tipped more than 20% of my winnings. While generous yes it hurts your bottom line in the long run.

I tend to ride the dealers a lot though. Nothing nasty but I do remind them that they are the one's flipping the cards and tip wise it's in their interest to flip mine best. Also blame them for those turns and rivers that crush me when I am so far ahead after the flops.

[Optional]

Have you ever done it, or are you just repeating what someone else (or a spam email) said? I looked into doing sorts of "menial Internet" work a few years ago and I found it all to be straight scam.

Full time in my jocks since 1997.

And if you are really happy to work or 5 bucks an hour, just click here and get started immediately; https://www.mturk.com/mturk/welcome

[plzkthx]

Wrong sir, WRONG! The service industry does not depend on tips, when I go to McDs, Chick-Fil A, whatever I have never seen one person tip yet they operate 1000s of stores across the US, you help the casino rob ppl for a living yet you expect the ppl that you are robbing to care about you while the casino that you're doing the robbing for doesnt even consider your work worth as much as a 16 yr old burger flipper at McDs, tough , enjoy dealin for 5 bucks an hour as far as Im concerned or quit, its also quite a stretch to call dealing cards in a rigged game to rob ppl providing a "service" anyway

You are obviously biased on this tipping issue, regardless what anyone say. First off you cannot compare fast food joints to all service industries such as sit down restaurants.

Fast food joints = cheap, quickly prepared food/sitting under in a steam tray. Do you get an actually plate of food delivered to you? real silverware? you fill your own drink? Fast food joints are places for ppl who don't want to spend a lot of money, therefore no tipping. Thats why you do not see ppl tip.

Sit down restaurants = More expensive, they actually prepare your food fresh (most of the time), they actually serve you and try to make your stay as happy and comfortable possible. They actually bring your food to you. Refills your drinks. Take your plates away, pack your left overs. During your 45min plus stay, they are there to cater you. This is why you tip.

Now as for Casino's...first off its "ENTERTAINMENT" not robbing ppl. Casinos are business's just like any other business. I can sell a cup of latte for $5 and it only cost me $1 to make, there fore I guess I am robbing ppl? I can give you thousands of examples. Being a dealer is not that easy. First off dealers have to learn the many casino games out there. Learning how the game work is one thing, but mastering it is another thing. You also have to master how to deal the cards properly while being quick and having minimal mistakes. Can a burger flipper do that? I want to see you actually learn how to deal a craps game? since you a flip a burger so easily.

[PlatinumBerg]

Full time in my jocks since 1997.

And if you are really happy to work or 5 bucks an hour, just click here and get started immediately; https://www.mturk.com/mturk/welcome

Hey, do you really do this full as a main source of income? What are some other ways? It would be great if you can tell me though a PM.

[bettilimbroke999]

Guess what at the end of the night the BILL IS ALSO ALOT MORE THAN MCDS, yes the food tastes better but you're paying 15 bucks a meal instead of 5 for a burger/fries/coke, who the **** cares that a woman brought me my burger on a plate instead of put it in a bag, thats her only fuckin job what else would she do? For her 20 foot walk from the kitchen where the dude is slaving in the heat making no tips to my table you feel I should tip 20%, **** that. If the restaurant or casino think its employees are completely worthless why should I feel any different. You can argue that if ppl are dumb enough to play casino games then they deserve to lose but why the **** they should tip for the "entertainment" of losing their money at a rigged game is beyond me, if somehow as another poster suggested the dealer is cheating in your favor then I can understand but just for busting me 4 out of 5 hands Im supposed to tip on the 5th hand when I win , yea right

[lolbear]

im surprised so many people not tip

[Todd2122]

There have been occasions where a few tips on a few hands causes the dealer to 'miscount' on occasion, which then makes it a +EV situation. I have known several dealers to add my 5 cards (3,7,2,A,5) up to '19', when he has 19 (Q9), turning my loss into a push. It allows me to continue to tip him, and if someone calls from upstairs, he can just say, "sorry, I miscounted". Not every hand, but even one or twice an hour is a huge swing.

If after a few tips, I get no help, the tips stop.

This just happened to me at Horseshoe in Indiana outside Chicago. Nice bet too. I actually got paid on a push. And yes, I was tipping.

[Cookie Monster]

Tipping has lost its original sense. I could agree tipping as an appreciation gift for an extraordinary service. But now it is more like an expected extra cost for an acceptable service. It is so expected that it is already distributed to the rest of the staff and taxed BEFORE it is done.

[bettilimbroke999]

Tipping has lost its original sense. I could agree tipping as an appreciation gift for an extraordinary service. But now it is more like an expected extra cost for an acceptable service. It is so expected that it is already distributed to the rest of the staff and taxed BEFORE it is done.

Tipping should be outlawed, how the **** can employees depend on the kindness of strangers to get by, they are one step up from welfare recipients. C'mon fuckin owners that are charging me 40 bucks for a couple dinners when I take my gf out, pay that bitch that brings us the food 10 bucks an hour or whatever is reasonable, how am I expected to go broke on the dinner AND pay your labor costs on top of it, I mean of course a sit down restaurant is nicer than McDs, thats why I dont pay McDs 40 bucks for a couple combos

[Albert Pujols]

Casino gambling is a losing proposition that is fun and should be done only occasionally and considered an expense. Tipping is part of the deal, since the dealers only make minimum wage. When you don't tip at all, you are being an asshole and the dealers will not like you. It's fun for everyone when everyone is in a good mood, and the dealers converse with you. If you don't want to tip, then don't gamble.

[robmpink]

As a dealer (table games NOT poker), I read all 5 pages of this post so I felt the need to register on this forum to comment.

Whilst there is no requirement to tip your dealer there is a need. I work for Harrah's (in PA) and they pay us $5 an hour base pay (which is obviously below federal and state minimum wage laws). They are allowed to do this because of our toke rate (the average daily rate of all the days tips) puts us above the minimum wage.

Poker dealers do the exact same, or less, amount of work than us table games dealers, yet they ALWAYS make more, up to twice as much or more daily pay. Why is this? Because poker dealers have 9 people at the table, and if one tips then the rest of the table feels obligated to tip, if they don't poker players will voice their disgust to the cheap ass for not tipping. Poker culture supports dealer tipping. Blackjack however does not. Players will win, lose, or tie and just walk away no tip. (Also it is our policy that we may not solicit tips in any way shape or form, which may or may not be helping us get tips)

I agree with the racist chic fil a guy that the casino has a responsibility to pay us more, however, they do not do it, so we rely on patron's generosity to tip us, we are providing a service, service industry is a tipping reliant industry, bottom line.

I am all for living in a perfect world where the record profits of the casino are given back to the employees in the form of a fair salary but this isn't a perfect world, and dealers need tips.

My last word to you all, if a player hits a $15 blackjack and wins $22.50, they throw me that $2.50 chip one time and I am their best friend for the rest of their stay at the table because that means a lot to me, and all the dealers. If everyone contributed just that small amount we wouldn't be struggling to support our families like we are. Good Luck

I appreciate your post, but could care less about your family or any other dealers.

[bettilimbroke999]

Casino gambling is a losing proposition that is fun and should be done only occasionally and considered an expense. Tipping is part of the deal, since the dealers only make minimum wage. When you don't tip at all, you are being an asshole and the dealers will not like you. It's fun for everyone when everyone is in a good mood, and the dealers converse with you. If you don't want to tip, then don't gamble.

Dude you dont fukin get it, ppl dont go to lose they go to win

Are the odds against you? Of fukin course they are, the 100+ million dollar building your in to house the games should tell you you're not getting a fair deal but still you are not donating money to charity you are betting hoping to win, most time you will lose of course but sometimes you will win

I dont know about anyone else but I have never bought in to a craps table and said alright boys lets do some fukin losing here this is gonna be great, lets make this casino rich tonight!

[Albert Pujols]

Dude you dont fukin get it, ppl dont go to lose they go to win

Are the odds against you? Of fukin course they are, the 100+ million dollar building your in to house the games suhould tell you you're not getting a fair deal but still you are not donating money to charity you are betting hoping to win, most time you will lose of course but sometimes you will win

I dont know about anyone else but I have never bought in to a craps table and said alright boys lets do some fukin losing here this is gonna be great, lets make this casino rich tonight!

Reality= the more you gamble, the more you lose. So why would you ever play craps, if you want to be profitable?

[Albert Pujols]

Any money made at a craps table is a loan that will be paid in full back to the casino plus interest. The sooner you get that, the better.