Does anyone here believe in christ?

[Dr.Gonzo]

If you don't believe in the Bible you are not a Christian.

You are a fan of the Jesus myth who is quoting things you like out of context.

[EasyHustlin]

Awesome bumper sticker: If you won't pray in our schools, we won't think in your churches.

[Albert Pujols]

If you don't believe in the Bible you are not a Christian.

You are a fan of the Jesus myth who is quoting things you like out of context.

Yes, very true.

[antifoil]

morality is a result of evolution. the evolutionary development of communities and government. otherwise we would just be, on a whole, as brutish and violent as other creatures. of course this doesn't prevent psychopaths from doing these acts since they suffer from being incapable from understand morality. its a result of them missing the necessary genetic makeup the rest of society developed through that evolutionary process.

[THEGREAT30]

Believe he probably existed, but his legacy may not be exactly what the bible portrays. Believe that he and maybe even God exist but they don't really care about us humans in the way some would like to believe.

[cobalt king]

Wow started this thread thinking it would just get buried I was shocked to see almost 300 comments. Maybe we can keep this thread as a place to start a dialogue about faith or non faith. I wasn't surprised at all that there's so many non believers but I was suprised by anyone on this devil run forum having Christ in there hearts.

[robertg]

i absolutely do.

[topgame85]

If you don't believe in the Bible you are not a Christian.

You are a fan of the Jesus myth who is quoting things you like out of context.

Once again Bible is not a strict text. It is a living document open to interpretation and understanding. Still no logical explanation as to the origin of everything without a supreme being creator. I wish you the best in your search for the truth and hope one day you see the light. I have seen the miraculous nature of our Lord in all things and even in my darkest hours have been blessed. Where science has failed I have seen hope and faith heal and save. I have seen hopelessness turn to success and love. I have seen good overcome sure loss to evil. Certain things just can't be explained away by science and nature. God Bless.

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

[ChileCheese]

Once again Bible is not a strict text. It is a living document open to interpretation and understanding. Still no logical explanation as to the origin of everything without a supreme being creator. I wish you the best in your search for the truth and hope one day you see the light. I have seen the miraculous nature of our Lord in all things and even in my darkest hours have been blessed. Where science has failed I have seen hope and faith heal and save. I have seen hopelessness turn to success and love. I have seen good overcome sure loss to evil. Certain things just can't be explained away by science and nature. God Bless.

Yes the fukking bible is strict text.
If you dared utter what you just said 1000 years ago, they would have cut your head off for everyone to see and remind them you never ever question the bible or church.

Over time, the church has had to accommodate the enlightenment that occurred in the 17th century. End of story.

[ChileCheese]

If you don't believe in the Bible you are not a Christian.

You are a fan of the Jesus myth who is quoting things you like out of context.

Exactly.

Its like the whole Cafeteria Catholic thing. They pick and choose what works for them ignoring the fact IT IS ALL DOGMA

[ChileCheese]

By the way, any Christians here who believe in the whole 2nd coming of Christ, and all non believers (ie Jews) are going to burn in Hell?

[DARKBAY]

Jesus Christ was never a good example to follow....left his dad at a very young age and went to the beach with 12 guys.....wtf???

[Wiggums5]

never fukkin heard of him

[raydog]

just be good to everyone and treat others like you want to be treated...the bible is filled with a thousand holes and everyone deciphers shit differently...some great stories that everyone can learn from, but the idea of a "god" or some holy spirit is simply... out there...

religion is a huge money making conspiracy, but if it helps you sleep at night to believe in something, then by all means, do it...if it helps guide you down the path of being a better person to everyone, do it... but there comes a time when you have to be realistic and come to grips that there is no higher power or "god" so to speak... no, you havent seen "gods" work. for every luckbox thing that happened to someone, someone else got the shit end of it... i dont know how many times i have heard someone talk about a family member surviving cancer or something...its not "god" you sheep, its called MEDICINE..no, you havent been blessed, you simply got lucky...it either happened or it didnt happen...you make your own destiny. they say that "god" does things for a purpose....nothing good can ever come from kids being born with disease, developing cancer at the age of 2, good people dying for no reason etc etc etc... the idea that someone or something is controlling these things is completely unrealistic...

these threads come up every so often...always end up with a few posters hating one another...agnostics dont need to provide any proof...its not their position to do so, so the argument that they cant provide proof that there is no god is just plain stupid...

[Grandmaster B]

Nobody really knows until they die...

that being said I do feel sorry for alot of evil doers that walk this earth today

as one day I do believe they will answer for their evil actions

[falconticket]

A fart is also invisible but you know it's there.

Amazing, huh?

I've had a few farts in my life that would debunk this hypothesis

[lolguy999]

yessir! Faithful believer

[lolguy999]

but not a nut who believes he already said the world would end in 2012

[Albert Pujols]

Yes the fukking bible is strict text.
If you dared utter what you just said 1000 years ago, they would have cut your head off for everyone to see and remind them you never ever question the bible or church.

Over time, the church has had to accommodate the enlightenment that occurred in the 17th century. End of story.

The Satanic Catholic Church yes. True Christianity has always been underground. It's a relationship between the believer and Christ. Those believers make up the Church. The Catholic Church is all dogma and bullshit.

[ChileCheese]

The Satanic Catholic Church yes. True Christianity has always been underground. It's a relationship between the believer and Christ. Those believers make up the Church. The Catholic Church is all dogma and bullshit.

You know Mr Pujols... I might vehemently disagree with what you say and what you believe.
But I do respect the fact you come from conviction and seem to have principles.

[topgame85]

The Satanic Catholic Church yes. True Christianity has always been underground. It's a relationship between the believer and Christ. Those believers make up the Church. The Catholic Church is all dogma and bullshit.

Someone gets it

[JohnGalt2341]

Did you really just say morality has NOTHING to do with religion? Oh dear. "and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion Notice morality is on the list of synonyms.

Just curious.... where do YOU get your morals from? People like to pretend that they get their morals from the Bible or Quran etc. Truth is, if they ACTUALLY got their morals from these barbaric books they would likely be in prison. This might explain why there are so few Atheists in prison.

[ChileCheese]

Someone gets it

Didnt the Christians just rip of the Jews?

[Albert Pujols]

You know Mr Pujols... I might vehemently disagree with what you say and what you believe.
But I do respect the fact you come from conviction and seem to have principles.

Likewise. You seem like an okay dude to me.

[JohnGalt2341]

Do any Christians here REALLY get their morals from the bible?

[chilidog]

The Satanic Catholic Church yes. True Christianity has always been underground. It's a relationship between the believer and Christ. Those believers make up the Church. The Catholic Church is all dogma and bullshit.

Satanic? You do realize that the original Christians were Catholic, don't you? And that Christ started the first Catholic church? Are you saying that Christ is Satanic? Bold statement.

[topgame85]

It seems that most people here just don't understand the concept of diversity in sects of religion and more than one path to GOD. The church has become too powerful and corrupt and the key point I have been trying to get to is what AP put out very straightforward and simple. Christianity is about a persons relationship with Christ the teachinbgs are important and many groups subscribe to strict conformist belief. Not all christians are this way and you can say well you are not a christian if you are not this way but that is just not true. Read the word, talk to God, accept his blessings and have a personal relationship. I am the sit home and read a bible for a few hours a week and give prayer and thanks type of Christian. I don't need to show up at church, chase people around converting or condeming them, hang on every word of a clergyman, or interpret the word as an absolute literal document.

[cobalt king]

Grandmaster B is right. We won't really know until we die, but is that a chance you atheists want to take? If your right you will rot in dirt, and if your wrong youll rot in a lake of fire. I would rather spend my life thinking theres a heaven and possibly going there.

[chilidog]

It seems that most people here just don't understand the concept of diversity in sects of religion and more than one path to GOD. The church has become too powerful and corrupt and the key point I have been trying to get to is what AP put out very straightforward and simple. Christianity is about a persons relationship with Christ the teachinbgs are important and many groups subscribe to strict conformist belief. Not all christians are this way and you can say well you are not a christian if you are not this way but that is just not true. Read the word, talk to God, accept his blessings and have a personal relationship. I am the sit home and read a bible for a few hours a week and give prayer and thanks type of Christian. I don't need to show up at church, chase people around converting or condeming them, hang on every word of a clergyman, or interpret the word as an absolute literal document.

Why is it okay to talk to God, but if he talks back to you, people think that you're crazy?

[chilidog]

Grandmaster B is right. We won't really know until we die, but is that a chance you atheists want to take? If your right you will rot in dirt, and if your wrong youll rot in a lake of fire. I would rather spend my life thinking theres a heaven and possibly going there.

So God has to use fear to get people to love him? "You better love me, or else I'm gonna burn you, boy!"

[TheMoneyShot]

2 things you should never talk about... politics... and religion. It's just the golden rule.

[Iced]

Grandmaster B is right. We won't really know until we die, but is that a chance you atheists want to take? If your right you will rot in dirt, and if your wrong youll rot in a lake of fire. I would rather spend my life thinking theres a heaven and possibly going there.

Your argument for believing in God, called Pascal's wager, is fallacious on a number of levels.

- Begging the question (assuming in its premises). Pascal's wager assumes that God rewards believers. What if God rewards non-believers and sends believers to eternal damnation?

- Pascal's wager means you have to do or believe in everything if you are to bring the argument to its logical conclusions. Maybe only dog owners go to heaven -- so you would have to go out and own a dog. Maybe only those who donate $50 to SBR go to heaven -- so you would have to go out and donate $50 to SBR. Etc.

- Which God are you going to choose to believe in? There are an infinite number of Gods and religions to choose from. If you choose the wrong God, you're going to "rot in a lake of fire" as well.

Statistically and logically speaking, Pascal's wager is complete garbage. There are a bunch of other critiques of the argument, but the above three should suffice.

[cobalt king]

i dont have to speculate what kind of people god rewards because he tells us with his word. It's called the bible, maybe you've heard of it.

[Albert Pujols]

Satanic? You do realize that the original Christians were Catholic, don't you? And that Christ started the first Catholic church? Are you saying that Christ is Satanic? Bold statement.

Catholics want you to believe that. 90% of Catholics probably believe that when the Bible mentions the Church, that it is talking about the Catholic Church. LOL. The Gospel is nowhere to be found in Catholicism. Like I said, following true Christianity has always been a personal relationship with Christ himself. You don't get to God through an institution. You get to God through faith alone in Christ. It's clear as day that the Bible teaches exactly this, whether you believe the Bible or not. That is why the Catholic Church used to burn people at the stake for reading a Bible.