Death Penalty - cant understand why you are still doing it

[eidolon]

We should just go back to hanging people in the public square. That's cheap as hell.

Also if it were up to me anyone caught having sex with a very young child (DNA evidence) would have their genitals removed on PPV, and the money would go to the family of the violated child. My guess is there would be less sex offenders.

[Ryangene]

LOL @ PPV. There are some sick bastards that would but that for sure.

[Justin7]

A "huge" number?


Just how huge of a number?

Perhaps 15% of all convicted murderers did not commit the murder for which they were convicted. Racial minorities have seen an especially high rate of capital convictions followed by a subsequent vindication based on DNA evidence.

[THE PROFIT]

sharp post, Justin

[JohnGalt2341]

Anyone ever watch the show Bait Car? I love that show! Here's my idea... some no good thugs steal a car. Let these mother fukkers die in the car when they can't get out. I know this is extremely harsh but these are the kind of criminals that I despise the most. These are the same kind of people that will mug you. They are completely worthless to society. I don't care about the guy that smokes or sells weed. I don't even care about the guy that smokes crack(unless he smokes crack and tries to mug me or steal my car). I know it would NEVER ever happen but imagine if people started dying in the very car that they stole. Car thefts would likely drop to virtually nothing. They could even have billboards up to warn them... something like... IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DIE, DON'T STEAL A CAR.

[Justin7]

JohnGalt,

They are not completely worthless. Their organs could be harvested. They could provide labor in a properly supervised labor camp. We just need their consent, or more unreasonable laws.

[zert]

They can kill unborn babies but can not kill adult scum

[DrStale]

They can kill unborn babies but can not kill adult scum

If they're unborn, then they're not babies.

[empty cookie jar]

one more hour....wish it was on tv

[MastaB]

Perhaps 15% of all convicted murderers did not commit the murder for which they were convicted. Racial minorities have seen an especially high rate of capital convictions followed by a subsequent vindication based on DNA evidence.

You are an idiot pal.

[empty cookie jar]

why do most people who favor abortion oppose the death penalty? seems ass backwards to me.....i'd prefer to fry a murderer than to suck out the brains of an unborn child

[shari91]

I used to cringe every time I heard about an execution because I always thought there could be that sliver of a chance the person is innocent. Actually I still do to a certain extent when it comes to anything involving the possibility of someone being exonerated because of DNA evidence.

However, my perspective has now changed somewhat. If someone ever touched my son I'd hope to be living in a country where it was punishable by death. I'd beg to plunge the syringe and once it was empty, I'd shoot the bastard twice just to make sure.

I'm now a full-blown hypocrite when it comes to this issue but I guess being a parent can do that to you.

[TexansFan]

a huge number of people executed have been found innocent after the fact.

and more will as well. a shame most ignore this

Not really, but it sounds good saying it I guess.

[TexansFan]

Deterrent? I get so tired of people saying that the death penaly isn't a deterrent. The death penalty isn't supposed to be a deterrent, it's a punishment.

[capitalist pig]

I think it should be used much more than it is,JMO.

later

[Boscoe]

death penalty is too soft. lethal injection? like taking a giant ambien. we should all be so lucky to just drift off into a permanent sleep.

[Jive]

If they're unborn, then they're not babies.

Exactly. They only have brainwaves, a heart beat, flowing blood, eyes, they play with their hands and feet in the womb, and can live outside of the mother, on their own, in as little as 20 weeks gestation (which is now a regular occurrence). Heck they even have memories. But no way they can be classified as a person, right?

How anyone, given modern science, ultrasounds, invitro-cameras, etc. can think an unborn child is not a living person is totally baffling. You really have to not want to believe for whatever motives their may be, which I won't speculate on.

As far as the death penalty goes, it is apparent only a few people here have a clue why it is done. It isn't to "save money," and it isn't a deterrent. It is for justice and protection of society. That has long been the view of all societies until today's degraded one, from the ancients in the East to Judeo-Christian, both old (Exodus 21:12, Leviticus 24:17) and new (Romans 13:1-4) testaments. And please, don't try to mingle the Ten Commandments (thou shall not MURDER, translated correctly) with capital punishment.

I'm not a fan of it; no one should take joy in the death of another. But there is a reason it is done.

[Emily_Haines]

In ancient Rome they use to take the prisoners to the coliseum and let a lion, tiger or bear not feed in days out of trap doors and it was up to the prisoners (with nothing but their bare hands) to fend for themselves.

[JohnGalt2341]

why do most people who favor abortion oppose the death penalty? seems ass backwards to me.....i'd prefer to fry a murderer than to suck out the brains of an unborn child

Because of politics and religion. The republican bible thumpers are in favor of the death penalty but the "good book" supposedly says no to abortion. The democratic liberals are pro-choice but say no to killing anyone. As for me, I'm Pro Death Penalty and Pro-Abortion. I'm not Pro-Choice, I'm Pro-Abortion. If some irresponsible crack-head gets pregnant and she's smart enough to get an abortion I applaud her. I also applaud ANYONE that chooses to have an abortion if they know they are not responsible enough to raise a child. Don't get me wrong, if it were up to me everyone would be sterile until they feel like they are ready to have children. Some people will never be ready. And that's why I'm pro-abortion.

[big joe 1212]

We need to have this shit on live PPV!

[DrStale]

Exactly. They only have brainwaves, a heart beat, flowing blood, eyes, they play with their hands and feet in the womb, and can live outside of the mother, on their own, in as little as 20 weeks gestation (which is now a regular occurrence). Heck they even have memories. But no way they can be classified as a person, right?

How anyone, given modern science, ultrasounds, invitro-cameras, etc. can think an unborn child is not a living person is totally baffling. You really have to not want to believe for whatever motives their may be, which I won't speculate on.

As far as the death penalty goes, it is apparent only a few people here have a clue why it is done. It isn't to "save money," and it isn't a deterrent. It is for justice and protection of society. That has long been the view of all societies until today's degraded one, from the ancients in the East to Judeo-Christian, both old (Exodus 21:12, Leviticus 24:17) and new (Romans 13:1-4) testaments. And please, don't try to mingle the Ten Commandments (thou shall not MURDER, translated correctly) with capital punishment.

I'm not a fan of it; no one should take joy in the death of another. But there is a reason it is done.

Point being that when it's in the womb it's still a fetus, not a child. I'm not a fan of abortion, no one is despite what the far right wants you to believe, but nor am I a fan of telling a woman what to do with her body.

Granted, an abortion at late stages of a pregnancy is obviously going to be a worse situation for all parties involved, so ideally the situation should be resolved as quickly as possible. I.E. taking the morning after pill is not 'baby-killing.

Also, your point about today's 'degraded society' when it comes to the death penalty appears faulty unless im misunderstanding you. I'm not a proponent of it either but I'd argue it's used better today than it has been in societies past. Corruption, power, lack of intelligence and belief in mythology and the supernatural led to a ridiculous amount of innocent people being killed in those past societies, much much higher than those killed today.

[Doug]

If it costs $2 million + to execute someone, then we need to accept a lesser standard of proof of guilt.

In my world no criminal would ever be sentenced to 5 or more years of prison, BUT a shitload would be getting death sentences. I'd start by pretty much executing a good 90% of those in prison already.

I'd execute a few innocent people accidently but crime would be close to non existent in a very short period of time.

non of this life in prison BULLSHIT.

Prisoners would also be used for spare parts like blood, kidneys, corneas, etc.

[empty cookie jar]

i like that idea. or start throwing good ole public lashings at people.

make it hurt to break the law.

[Doug]

i like that idea. or start throwing good ole public lashings at people.

make it hurt to break the law.

We as a nation have to start with the million or so people ( guess, probably too high, so 250,000 or whatever) that are serving "life" sentences. When I am elected GOD of the USA, I'm starting by killing nearly every one of these people in very short order and I'd even shoot them myself. I'd review cases of possible innocent prisoners if like 100,000 people signed a petition to examine a particular case.

This would be like a war. Innocent US soldiers die daily in Iraqastan.So a few ( dozen, hundred ?) felons die for a crime they might not have committed, 99.99% of those "innocent" felons should have been eradicated years ago anyway for shit they did do, so maybe actually 2-3 innocent people die Doug's way.

[Jule]

I used to cringe every time I heard about an execution because I always thought there could be that sliver of a chance the person is innocent. Actually I still do to a certain extent when it comes to anything involving the possibility of someone being exonerated because of DNA evidence.

However, my perspective has now changed somewhat. If someone ever touched my son I'd hope to be living in a country where it was punishable by death. I'd beg to plunge the syringe and once it was empty, I'd shoot the bastard twice just to make sure.

I'm now a full-blown hypocrite when it comes to this issue but I guess being a parent can do that to you.

Many friends of mine have changed their mind after becoming parents...

[Cuse0323]

I have no problem with the death penalty, but I feel like they get off easy. They should have to suffer in prison for the rest of their life. Don't let them out of their cell for 70 years for all I care, make them suffer. Plus, if they happen to be innocent they'll have plenty of time to figure that out and they can go from there getting what they deserve from the judicial system.

[eidolon]

burn

[Jule]

I am completely and utterly against the death penalty (is anyone surprised I say that?). I am a strong believer in rehabilitation, and especially the US needs to improve their prison facilities. Yes, I am talking about psychological care, helping inmates integrate themselves again in society, and improving living conditions. I am seriously considering volunteering in a local prison and teaching inmates how to write a decent resume. If a criminal cannot be released into freedom again due to his psyche, he/she needs to stay locked away forever.

[Doc JS]

I am completely and utterly against the death penalty (is anyone surprised I say that?). I am a strong believer in rehabilitation, and especially the US needs to improve their prison facilities. Yes, I am talking about psychological care, helping inmates integrate themselves again in society, and improving living conditions. I am seriously considering volunteering in a local prison and teaching inmates how to write a decent resume. If a criminal cannot be released into freedom again due to his psyche, he/she needs to stay locked away forever.

There are people who are pure evil...Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, David Berkowitz – Son of Sam, Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson, Andrew Cunanan etc...and there is no rehabilitation for people who are pure evil.

I like to think of the death penalty as sending a defective piece of equiptment back to the manafacturer...

And I truly believe the world is a much better place without them...

Doc

[wtf]

Perhaps 15% of all convicted murderers did not commit the murder for which they were convicted. Racial minorities have seen an especially high rate of capital convictions followed by a subsequent vindication based on DNA evidence.

was on the fence on you being a tool or not, now i am convinced, your are a fukin big time tool

did you read this in some book? are you a parent?

[Jule]

There are people who are pure evil...Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, David Berkowitz – Son of Sam, Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson, Andrew Cunanan etc...and there is no rehabilitation for people who are pure evil.

I like to think of the death penalty as sending a defective piece of equiptment back to the manafacturer...

And I truly believe the world is a much better place without them...

Doc

I agree, criminals like Ted Bundy probably could never function in society in a healthy way. Thus, lock them away forever. Could you seriously turn the switch? I know I could not. I could not even do it if Ted Bundy raped and murdered my sister. Retaliation does not make one feel better when it comes to mourning.
Oh, that reminds me of something....I used to work with a woman who had coffee with Ted Bundy when she was a student. Creepy, no? He wanted to give her a ride home after charming her for a while but then she insisted on walking, even though she thought he was cute as pie. Good (and lucky!) gal.

[acarmelo1]

Why does it cost so much to kill someone on death penalty?

popular caliber handguns, (9mm,45acp,38 spc,) cost around 25 cents a round.

you just need to hire someone to shoot the guy, or the judge can go and shoot him himself.

One clean HEADSHOT will do. No more Lethal Injection, or Gas Chamber. That is to fukking expensive.

Just BOOM HEADSHOT

[jgray]

15% might be a little bit high...

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There is no way to tell how many of the over 1,000 people executed since 1976 may also have been innocent. Courts do not generally entertain claims of innocence when the defendant is dead. Defense attorneys move on to other cases where clients' lives can still be saved. Some cases with strong evidence of innocence include: Carlos DeLuna Texas Conviction: 1983, Executed: 1989
Ruben Cantu Texas Convicted: 1985, Executed: 1993
Larry Griffin Missouri Conviction: 1981, Executed: 1995
Joseph O'Dell Virginia Conviction: 1986, Executed: 1997
David Spence Texas Conviction: 1984, Executed: 1997
Leo Jones Florida Convicted: 1981, Executed: 1998
Gary Graham Texas Convicted: 1981, Executed: 2000
Cameron Willingham Texas Convicted: 1992, Executed: 2004
Also Noted - Post-humous exonerations of people wrongfully executed prior to 1976.


Source: Death Penalty Information Center: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/exec...sibly-innocent

[Doc JS]

Could you seriously turn the switch?

I could pull the switch with one hand while eating a ham sandwitch with the other because I know in my heart I'm making the world a better place.

These people are like rabid animals...you don't rehab them...you don't lock them up...you eradicate the infestation!

Doc

[Jule]

I could pull the switch with one hand while eating a ham sandwitch with the other because I know in my heart I'm making the world a better place.

These people are like rabid animals...you don't rehab them...you don't lock them up...you eradicate the infestation!

Doc

You know, Doc, you sound so harsh that i cannot buy it. I think you could not do it if you really had to. People are not animals. They might commit horrific acts but they are still human beings. OK, what about that old argument...what if...what if you don't know for sure they did it? Would you still do it then? Just "to make sure" to get rid of the "infestation"? Hm. This is easier said than done.