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  • Emily_Haines
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 04-14-09
    • 15847

    #1
    The Death Of Las Vegas
    There are quite a few U.S. cities that are complete and utter economic disaster zones in 2010 (Detroit for example), but there is something about the demise of Las Vegas that is absolutely stunning. In recent decades, Las Vegas has become a symbol for the over-the-top affluence and decadence of America. But now it is a microcosm of the economic nightmare that has gripped the entire nation. When the subprime mortgage crisis stuck, no major U.S. city was more devastated than Las Vegas. When the recession went from bad to worse, Americans decided that they really didn’t need to gamble so much and casino revenues plummeted. Suddenly unemployment started to increase dramatically in Vegas and even today it continues to soar. Like so many other cities that are highly dependent on tourism and entertainment, Las Vegas has gone from boom to bust. Local officials are hoping that the worst will soon be over, but the truth is that the worst is yet to come. As the U.S. economy continues to unravel, average Americans will be spending what little money they do have to put a roof over their heads and to feed their families. The truth is that the glory days of Las Vegas are over and they are not coming back.

    Already, the number of unemployed in Las Vegas is reaching unprecedented levels. Unemployment rates for the state of Nevada and for the city of Las Vegas both set new records during the month of April. In Las Vegas the unemployment rate in April was 14.2%. For the entire state the unemployment rate was 13.7%.

    Of course those are just the “official” numbers. We all know that the “real” unemployment numbers are much higher.

    For example, the “official” unemployment figure is about 14 percent in the state of Michigan right now. But if you actually believe that 86 percent of able-bodied workers in the state of Michigan are employed, then perhaps you would be interested in an offer to purchase the Golden Gate Bridge as well.

    Elliott Parker, an economist at the University of Nevada, Reno says that the record-setting unemployment numbers in Nevada are just part of a larger trend….

    “Nevada has been losing jobs since March 2008, and we are continuing to do so.”

    But where the state of Nevada and the city of Las Vegas have really been hammered is in the housing industry.

    It is estimated that a whopping 65 percent of all homes in the state of Nevada are underwater.

    Let that sink in for a bit.

    65 percent of all home owners with a mortgage in the state of Nevada owe more than their homes are worth.

    Talk about an implosion.

    Nationally, the number of homes that are “underwater” is about 24 percent. That is an all-time record for the entire nation, but it doesn’t come anywhere close to the nightmare that is unfolding in Nevada and in Las Vegas.

    And the number of foreclosures taking place in Nevada is absolutely breathtaking.

    According to RealtyTrac, Nevada is still ranked number one for foreclosure filings. In fact, one out of every 79 Nevada homes received a foreclosure filing in the month of May alone.

    Nevada’s foreclosure rate is now five times the national average.

    By just about any measure, the economy of Nevada is a complete and total disaster.

    A reader recently sent an email describing the economic horror that is unfolding in Las Vegas. No matter what you may think about the city, the truth is that it is sad to see any great U.S. city fall to pieces like this….

    “Las Vegas is a goner. The homeless population is out of control. The real estate is far worse than I have seen in the media (no surprise there). The towers of condos are ninety five percent vacant with zero activity. The streets and parks are in decline. Local governments are busy making cuts and fighting unions. When I ride the streets they are deserted, a big change from 2006. The major casino companies have all but moved the casinos out of Nevada. Rooms and restaurants have been closing for years, even while they finished the new projects. The entire town is a skeleton staff providing substandard service and decaying properties. I still work for one of the majors which is in bankruptcy. When the next wave hits there is nowhere to cut. It will be a game of dominoes with the Wynn properties the only ones left standing. I see the ninety nine cent breakfast making a comeback. The bullet train a day late and a few billion dollars short.”

    So is there any hope for Las Vegas?

    Well, if the U.S. economy gets back up off of the operating table and roars back to life there is little doubt that millions of Americans would once again soon be flying there to gamble away their discretionary income.

    But the truth is that any “revival” that is going to happen in Vegas is going to be very short-lived.

    The U.S. economy as a whole is caught in a death spiral, and we are about to see a repeat of the housing crash that devastated Las Vegas so badly the first time around.

    No, there really isn’t any way that the death of Las Vegas can be avoided. Just like the U.S. economy as a whole, it is inevitably doomed. The numbers don’t lie.

    The grand total of all government, corporate and consumer debt in the United States is now equal to 360 percent of GDP. That is a far greater level than the U.S. ever approached during the Great Depression.

    The entire U.S. economy is a house of cards built on a gigantic pile of debt and paper money, and it is only a matter of time until it all comes crashing down.

    But of course that isn’t stopping the U.S. government from spending even more money and getting us all into even more debt.

    According to a recent Treasury Department report to Congress, the U.S. national debt will top $13.6 trillion this year and climb to an estimated $19.6 trillion by 2015.

    But as many of you who have experienced this on a personal level know, getting into continually increasing amounts of debt never ends well.

    So do any of you have a tale to tell about the city where you live? Do you find yourself caught in the middle of an economic nightmare? Feel free to leave a comment telling us what is happening in your area of the United States….
  • big joe 1212
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 06-01-08
    • 19380

    #2
    well the good news is that there will be more hookers available at a lower price!
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    • Fishhead
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 08-11-05
      • 40184

      #3
      GREAT TIME TO BUY there in this state of gloom.
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      • iifold
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 04-25-10
        • 11111

        #4
        Maybe the Haitians will come help us fix this...
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        • bbenson011
          Restricted User
          • 05-17-10
          • 454

          #5
          Originally posted by iifold
          Maybe the Haitians will come help us fix this...
          LOL...
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          • Flying Dutchman
            SBR MVP
            • 05-17-09
            • 2467

            #6
            ...“The time to buy is when blood is running in the streets.”

            - Nathan Rothschild

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            • PAULYPOKER
              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
              • 12-06-08
              • 36581

              #7
              Originally posted by Flying Dutchman
              ...“The time to buy is when blood is running in the streets.” - Nathan Rothschild
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              • drewski
                SBR Rookie
                • 05-02-10
                • 14

                #8
                not only dose she have a hot pic but she also has a strong mind. we should all look at this article for things yet to come for all of us.
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                • Doug
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 08-10-05
                  • 6324

                  #9
                  I think the biggest strike against Vegas is that virtually everybody has easier access to real casinos no matter where they live in the US ( except for Hawaii, Alaska, Utah). This isn't 1980 with Vegas, Atlantic city, Reno and little else. The casinos don't treat customers very well either. California could improve their Indian casinos ( from what I hear) so Socal probably is still a huge part of the LV pie. Mississippi seems a nice alternative for a ton of people in the SE states.

                  I think many people that used to go to Vegas 1-2 times a year now might be content to go once every few years. Foreigners might come once and never return.

                  I see it turning into a retirement city and that segment doesn't blow much money.
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                  • MonkeyF0cker
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 06-12-07
                    • 12144

                    #10
                    Doug,

                    People don't come here just to gamble. This is far from a place for old people. In fact, it's more of the opposite with pool parties, nightclubs, strip clubs, fine dining, etc. Things aren't nearly as depressing here as that article makes them out to be. Yes, we had the highest foreclosure rate in the nation. However, our economy has essentially stabilized. The worst seems to be over.
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                    • DrunkHorseplayer
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 05-15-10
                      • 7720

                      #11
                      The days when Las Vegas was THE place to gamble are coming to an end; within five years, one of the biggies on The Strip will shut down.
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                      • Swinging Johnson
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 08-12-09
                        • 7604

                        #12
                        Sounds like a Broken Social Scene.
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                        • Flying Dutchman
                          SBR MVP
                          • 05-17-09
                          • 2467

                          #13
                          Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer
                          The days when Las Vegas was THE place to gamble are coming to an end; within five years, one of the biggies on The Strip will shut down.
                          ...so Hangover II will be filmed at some jerky little Indian casino? Right.

                          Vegas is so much more than just a group of casinos. Monkey is usually full of shit, but he is right on this one...

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                          • PatrickBateman
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 03-29-08
                            • 367

                            #14
                            Sad thing to think about
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                            • MonkeyF0cker
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 06-12-07
                              • 12144

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Flying Dutchman
                              ...so Hangover II will be filmed at some jerky little Indian casino? Right.

                              Vegas is so much more than just a group of casinos. Monkey is usually full of shit, but he is right on this one...
                              I'm full of shit? LOL. Okay, pal.
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                              • Fishhead
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 08-11-05
                                • 40184

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Doug
                                I think the biggest strike against Vegas is that virtually everybody has easier access to real casinos no matter where they live in the US ( except for Hawaii, Alaska, Utah). This isn't 1980 with Vegas, Atlantic city, Reno and little else. The casinos don't treat customers very well either. California could improve their Indian casinos ( from what I hear) so Socal probably is still a huge part of the LV pie. Mississippi seems a nice alternative for a ton of people in the SE states.

                                I think many people that used to go to Vegas 1-2 times a year now might be content to go once every few years. Foreigners might come once and never return.

                                I see it turning into a retirement city and that segment doesn't blow much money.







                                .........and now high stakes poker is coming to Florida
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                                • MonkeyF0cker
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 06-12-07
                                  • 12144

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Fishhead
                                  .........and now high stakes poker is coming to Florida
                                  How many people will that stop from coming here? 3?
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                                  • nenad
                                    Restricted User
                                    • 08-12-09
                                    • 714

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by big joe 1212
                                    well the good news is that there will be more hookers available at a lower price!
                                    sure will be
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                                    • Doug
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 08-10-05
                                      • 6324

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                      Doug,

                                      People don't come here just to gamble. This is far from a place for old people. In fact, it's more of the opposite with pool parties, nightclubs, strip clubs, fine dining, etc. Things aren't nearly as depressing here as that article makes them out to be. Yes, we had the highest foreclosure rate in the nation. However, our economy has essentially stabilized. The worst seems to be over.
                                      I agree that Vegas is a hip place for the 20 something nightclub crowd at places like Palms, hard Rock,Planet Hollywood, MGM and some others. I think this is limited to only a few properties and mainly Fri and Sat nights, probably most of this crowd is from LA.

                                      This doesn't really do much for downtown and a ton of aging strip properties.

                                      I do think the housing prices are near a bottom, as if they go any lower the blue hair crowd can move in.

                                      Look at Palms hotel. By day it is a senior citizen's center, and at night it's a hip place for young peeps looking to get laid !
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                                      • soxwin
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 01-05-10
                                        • 1885

                                        #20
                                        there is plenty of money flowing in vegas. I see it every day. Vegas has been very very good to me I will tell you that.

                                        Housing problem?? real estate agents are making a fortune in LV

                                        buyer x has a 200k home they are living in now which is under water
                                        RE agent Y tells buyer x to get out of that home by letting it forclose
                                        RE Agent Y sells buyer X a home for 100k before credit crunch hits Buyer X
                                        Agent then sells newly forclosed home to someone else who is underwater

                                        Result: Buyer X has a home with half the mortgage payment. They file for bankruptcy and they don't lose this new home. In a few years all is well for them. Happiness all around for them.

                                        REAgent Y makes money off selling to buyer x then makes money off selling forclosed home to buyer Q who now is no longer underwater.

                                        rinse lather repeat!!
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                                        • Doug
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 08-10-05
                                          • 6324

                                          #21
                                          How does buyer X get approved for a new mortgage ?
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                                          • stikymess
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 05-19-10
                                            • 3288

                                            #22
                                            Thanks Emily great read..

                                            I was in the market for a Condo/Townhome about a year ago, didn't pull the trigger but it was wild the prices were starting at 9k.
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                                            • soxwin
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 01-05-10
                                              • 1885

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Doug
                                              How does buyer X get approved for a new mortgage ?
                                              their credit hasn't gone bad yet. They have been paying their mortgage faithfully.

                                              the best part of it all is that buyer x rents out their place like a hotel to vacationers during the 9-12 months it takes to forclose on their home. so part if not all of their new mortgage is paid for by people renting out the house that they are leaving the bank.

                                              Guess who finds them the renters? Yep RE agent Y who gets a commission for finding renters.

                                              it is a great scam if you can get it.

                                              of course it only works once per person but hey there are plenty of people to go around
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                                              • soli
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 09-10-06
                                                • 2503

                                                #24
                                                I still love Vegas during football season. Can't beat it!
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                                                • Sledge187
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 04-25-08
                                                  • 3722

                                                  #25
                                                  Most people live in the underground city now.

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                                                  • lyon804
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 11-02-09
                                                    • 6526

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by drewski
                                                    not only dose she have a hot pic but she also has a strong mind. we should all look at this article for things yet to come for all of us.


                                                    That was a copy and paste job bro. The OP did not produce this info.
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                                                    • Mr Windy City
                                                      Restricted User
                                                      • 12-27-09
                                                      • 5018

                                                      #27
                                                      good read, Emily......I love that town so I hope they make things right soon.
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                                                      • mikejamm
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 08-24-09
                                                        • 11066

                                                        #28
                                                        ....the return of the .99 cents breakfast! lol! Sounds good to me! Let the shit keep fall'in, overpriced bullshit housing market has been long overdue for a correction anyway! You can thank your great republican grand 'ol party folks for the decline and soon to be extinct middle class. They sent our jobs and manufacturing overseas, allowed banks and wall street to fuk homeowners out of their American dream, and started a war so god damn expensive, we'll never get out of or stop paying for, because we give "aid" to "help" these countries continue to kill us! Still you notice the wealthy aren't hurting, because they all got Bush tax cuts to let them keep their millions! Trickle down effect my ass, the only thing trickling down is the piss flung on the working class in this country. Nice post btw Emily, sad topic to have to deal with, but people do need to know why we're in this mess to begin with, and the number one cause is our government has fuked us all!
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                                                        • Smogs
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 12-31-08
                                                          • 4173

                                                          #29
                                                          Someone needs to nominate this stuff, excellent read and will definitely open my eyes when i go to the bash second time around
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                                                          • 1tarheelfan
                                                            SBR High Roller
                                                            • 03-22-10
                                                            • 125

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Fishhead
                                                            GREAT TIME TO BUY there in this state of gloom.
                                                            i dont want people to lose their homes but i do hope the condo,and housing market kepts going down.i would love a place in henderson or boulder.these two places are a hop skip and jump from downtown vegas.
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                                                            • MonkeyF0cker
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 06-12-07
                                                              • 12144

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Doug
                                                              I agree that Vegas is a hip place for the 20 something nightclub crowd at places like Palms, hard Rock,Planet Hollywood, MGM and some others. I think this is limited to only a few properties and mainly Fri and Sat nights, probably most of this crowd is from LA.

                                                              This doesn't really do much for downtown and a ton of aging strip properties.

                                                              I do think the housing prices are near a bottom, as if they go any lower the blue hair crowd can move in.

                                                              Look at Palms hotel. By day it is a senior citizen's center, and at night it's a hip place for young peeps looking to get laid !
                                                              The Palms has always been like that. As I said, the worst has passed. Occupancy rates on the weekends have been around 94% lately. Convention attendance is beginning to rebound. A lot of people had second homes here that were expendable. We've still had an influx of 25,000 people moving here since the beginning of the year. As long as the national economy continues to grow, the casinos here will be fine. When the national unemployment rate comes down to healthy levels, it will be business as usual here again. In fact, Harrahs recently added 500 permanent positions here. So it's certainly not nearly as bad as that article paints things to be here.
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                                                              • McBa1n
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 01-02-06
                                                                • 2642

                                                                #32
                                                                There's still tons of people downtown every night of the week. I think it's just the 'whales' aren't coming here anymore. Heck, even the local casinos are always packed on 'off peak' hours/days and have been since i moved here over 4 years ago.
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                                                                • Tomato
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 01-29-09
                                                                  • 1251

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Fishhead
                                                                  GREAT TIME TO BUY there in this state of gloom.
                                                                  You've said a lot of dumb things in this forum, this could be the dumbest.
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                                                                  • Tomato
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 01-29-09
                                                                    • 1251

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by 1tarheelfan
                                                                    i dont want people to lose their homes but i do hope the condo,and housing market kepts going down.i would love a place in henderson or boulder.these two places are a hop skip and jump from downtown vegas.
                                                                    You can get a 2 bedroom condo in Henderson for 40k.

                                                                    These prices are going further down though, so there is no rush.
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                                                                    • Wrigley
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 12-28-07
                                                                      • 7268

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Used to be a big deal to go to vegas and bet on sports or play blackjack. Now your a click away from placing a bet or a couple miles from a card room in your own state the old vegas feeling will never return.
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