The Death Of Las Vegas

Flying Dutchman · 06-13-10, 11:32 AM

Jesus, curious. Do you write all that for these clowns? Half of them can't read more than 3 sentences before they fall asleep, much less understand all those multi-syllable words.

Some decent ideas though, you really should be writing a blog somewhere where the other wreactionary wing-nut wacko crazies can get an education.

curious · 06-13-10, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Carseller4

If you can't say it in 2 paragraphs, it isn't worth reading.

So you think the complex issues in Afghanistan and Iraq can be stated with sound bites?

milwaukee mike · 06-13-10, 11:50 AM

" So, imagine that every day you come home to your wife nagging you because the electricity is off, the toilets won't flush, the phones don't work, you can't buy anything because ATMs don't work and credit card machines don't work, there aren't any stores open anyway "

curious, i don't have to imagine that (except the part about not buying anything) - i come home to my wife nagging me every day!

scarp · 06-13-10, 11:58 AM

Vegas will come back to life... but its going to be over 10 years to get back to how they were.

milwaukee mike · 06-13-10, 12:06 PM

i hope you're right scarp

i just think we might never have another boom where people with no income and no assets were given $300,000 interest-only loans AND $50,000 CASH to buy a $250,000 house. lot of tourism was these guys that re-financed their house every 2 years on the way up and spent the cash on vacations/new cars/etc

hopefully wages for the average joe will actually GO UP one of these years (sigh) and that will lead to more spending money...

blackbart · 06-13-10, 03:47 PM

again tourism in vegas is not down.
it is not the problem
if anything this collaspe of the vegas economy will help tourists, by making prices lower

Vegas Jake · 06-13-10, 04:17 PM

Bottom line things got to big too fast, IMO.

seaborneq · 06-13-10, 04:50 PM

[quote=Vegas Jake;5040097]Bottom line things got to big too fast, IMO.[/quotet

That didn't just happen in Las Vegas it happened all over the united states. Blame countrywide mortgage and the houseflippers.

Vegas Jake · 06-13-10, 05:45 PM

[quote=seaborneq;5040585]

Originally posted by Vegas Jake

Bottom line things got to big too fast, IMO.[/quotet

That didn't just happen in Las Vegas it happened all over the united states. Blame countrywide mortgage and the houseflippers.

Sure your right there but Vegas is probably the best eample of that. Everyone that moves to Vegas moves there tohit it big in some way. No one goes there to raise a family and with greed comes situations like the one they are going thru now. Like a few said the time to buy is now if you have the stomach for it but if you are in vegas you probably do.

milwaukee mike · 06-13-10, 06:01 PM

tourism in vegas is not down?

2007 number of visitors 39.2 million
2008 number of visitors 37.5 million
2009 number of visitors 36.4 million

ritz-carlton las vegas just closed, binion's closed the hotel, etc etc

Ian · 06-13-10, 06:06 PM

I live in Vegas, and while the economy is obviously not great it's still a great city. People will always want to come here because of all the attractions, both gambling and otherwise.

wtf · 06-13-10, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by scarp

Vegas will come back to life... but its going to be over 10 years to get back to how they were.

the japs have been saying this same thing for 20 years when the nikkei was at 40k , it is now 10k and will stay there, dream on

MonkeyF0cker · 06-13-10, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

tourism in vegas is not down?

2007 number of visitors 39.2 million
2008 number of visitors 37.5 million
2009 number of visitors 36.4 million

ritz-carlton las vegas just closed, binion's closed the hotel, etc etc

Not to mention, strip revenue is off about 40% from its peak.

MonkeyF0cker · 06-13-10, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by wtf

the japs have been saying this same thing for 20 years when the nikkei was at 40k , it is now 10k and will stay there, dream on

Nothing like comparing apples and oranges. This is why you're the biggest idiot on the forums.

milwaukee mike · 06-14-10, 09:00 AM

japan's boom/bust was like our boom/bust on steroids - japan was more like our internet bubble than our housing/economy bubble

keep in mind the nikkei went from 5,000 to 38,000 in very short order before going back down to 10,000

good to see a bit of a recovery in 2010, although at last year's bash i DID enjoy the great meal deals everywhere. some of the best restaurants in the world had $40 fixed price menus (appetizer/steak/dessert), are they doing those this summer too?

MonkeyF0cker · 06-14-10, 09:03 AM

Unfortunately not, mike. Things are on the rebound here. Slightly.

The deals of last year aren't around any more, but there are still deals to be had.

milwaukee mike · 06-14-10, 10:02 AM

thanks monkey

one thing some of the strip casinos did that i thought was smart was have "all you can eat all day" deals, where you could go to the buffet as many times as you wanted all day long for $25-30

what a great way of keeping people in your casino (or close to it) all day

MonkeyF0cker · 06-14-10, 10:08 AM

They still do those, mike.

lyon804 · 06-14-10, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

They still do those, mike.

Stayed at the Mirage last Summer and I think there buffets were pay per meal. Looking to book late Summer or early Fall. Any place you rec staying MF?

MonkeyF0cker · 06-14-10, 10:18 AM

Depends what you want to spend, lyon.

lyon804 · 06-14-10, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

Depends what you want to spend, lyon.

As far as my stay I was pleased with the Mirage and we were treated very well. After getting around I was most impressed with the Bellagio. Beautiful place, the rates are a little higher but we only go about once a year. The first few times I went to Vegas I was with friends and we just went hard at the casino's and did not "sight see" much, but this past year I went with my wife and was moreless on a tour of Vegas so I am a little more aquainted with what Vegas has to offer as far as Hotels go.

teaserpleaser · 06-14-10, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

They still do those, mike.

monkey can you list a few please?

PuckOff · 06-14-10, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

They still do those, mike.

Monkey,

Do you what Casinos offer this type of deal? I think the MGM does, but am not sure.

MonkeyF0cker · 06-14-10, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by lyon804

As far as my stay I was pleased with the Mirage and we were treated very well. After getting around I was most impressed with the Bellagio. Beautiful place, the rates are a little higher but we only go about once a year. The first few times I went to Vegas I was with friends and we just went hard at the casino's and did not "sight see" much, but this past year I went with my wife and was moreless on a tour of Vegas so I am a little more aquainted with what Vegas has to offer as far as Hotels go.

My opinion from top to bottom for major casinos on the strip as far as rooms go:

1. Encore
2. Wynn
3. Bellagio
4. Aria
5. Venetian
6. Caesars
7. Mirage
8. Mandalay
9. Palazzo
10. PH
11. NYNY
12. MGM
13. Paris
14. TI
15. Tropicana (newly remodeled)
16. Bally's
17. Luxor
18. Excalibur
19. Harrah's
20. Stratosphere
21. Sahara
22. Riviera
23. Circus Circus

MonkeyF0cker · 06-14-10, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by PuckOff

Monkey,

Do you what Casinos offer this type of deal? I think the MGM does, but am not sure.

MGM, Luxor, and Excalibur do. Harrah's properties have a similar offer that's called the "Buffet of Buffets" where you pay $30 or so and can eat at any of seven selected buffets for the entire day.

PuckOff · 06-14-10, 11:04 AM

Thanks Monkey. BTW TI rated at 14th??? I've stayed there about 10 times and I think the place is very much underrated. It's a small casino, but it's clean, comfortable and close to shopping and other top casinos.

lyon804 · 06-14-10, 11:07 AM

Thanks for taking the time to provide us that info MF. It's nice to have somebody at SBR that actually lives in Vegas.

Forgot about the Venetian and Palazzo.. along with the Belaggio those rank at the top imo as far as outward appearance. They are magnificent on the inside as well.

MonkeyF0cker · 06-14-10, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by PuckOff

Thanks Monkey. BTW TI rated at 14th??? I've stayed there about 10 times and I think the place is very much underrated. It's a small casino, but it's clean, comfortable and close to shopping and other top casinos.

Yeah. I agree that it's not bad. It's sort of middle of the road though. There really isn't much difference between casinos in the 9-14 range.

MonkeyF0cker · 06-14-10, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by lyon804

Thanks for taking the time to provide us that info MF. It's nice to have somebody at SBR that actually lives in Vegas.

Forgot about the Venetian and Palazzo.. along with the Belaggio those rank at the top imo as far as outward appearance. They are magnificent on the inside as well.

No problem, lyon.

RealSlimShady · 06-14-10, 11:19 AM

Pretty accurate list, Monkey. I do think you have the Palazzo rated too low, though.

MonkeyF0cker · 06-14-10, 11:22 AM

Yeah. Palazzo is nice. It's just so damn bland to me. It has no personality. It reminds me of Monte Carlo, which I guess I left off the list accidentally. Monte Carlo is probably right under TI on that list.

HoldEmHook!! · 06-14-10, 11:24 AM

things are tough everywhere......

lyon804 · 06-14-10, 11:33 AM

Looked at the Encore online.. The rooms are no doubt out of this world MF. You have good taste.

masr · 06-14-10, 12:36 PM

Id rather wager online at the confines of my home...instead of going to vegas and spend the extra money. Thats what the government doesnt want

milwaukee mike · 06-14-10, 03:34 PM

love that list

i would also move palazzo up and move caesar's down, probably just switch spots 6 and 9
caesar's is such a mess to maneuver around and doesn't have the luster it once did

what an awesome city when even the bottom of the list casinos are a lot better than the top of the list stuff in the milwaukee/chicago area!