Pros: Who do you use?

[Maverick22]

I'll let you pay me, and I'll tell you EVERYTHING I have done, and give you all the source code... AND I'll even provide a warranty period of 3 months...

You can define what sharp is...in regards to me

I dont care about eroding the market, or messing it up in the future for everyone else. B/C nobody else pays me.

If the price is right, i'll fly out, hand you the source code, go over it line by line with you. And give you the laptop its stored on...

[egr99]

Forming a syndicate is not necessarily the route a sharp has to follow many sharp plays only stick around for a few minutes not even enough time to inform all of your beards.

You guys do not get it there is no one way to be successful and there is no easy way to do it either it requires hard work.

Good winning strategy= Get a better price than the market closes at. pay up.

Exact response I was expecting. Will be many more by the time this thread is over.

If you know what you are doing, and have the correct stature in certain places you will be able to get down as much as you want/whenever you want. I've had accounts shut down/limited on a weekly basis and it has never affected me for more than a couple hours. For every person who shuts/limits an accounts there are 6 others waiting in line to take your action.

I did not say it was easy at any time. So do not put words in my mouth. I simply said, I could not care less how you provide success, just do it and I will gladly help you profit off it.

Great, thanks for the winning tip...It's worth about $0.50. Where would you like your funds sent? Maybe it will pad your bankroll.

egr99

[MonkeyF0cker]

Guys who cry about limits being slashed or value being lost because of people hammering overnight lines might be good at picking winners and producing results. However, these people obviously lack in setting up proper networks of runners and/or accounts to get down. It might not affect their winning percentages/records but it definatly hurts their wallet and is a critical part of a successful operation.

egr99

Not everyone is comfortable handing large sums of cash to a complete stranger to make wagers for them.

[Maverick22]

Long Time No Hear Monkey...

[egr99]

Not everyone is comfortable handing large sums of cash to a complete stranger to make wagers for them.

Who said anything about handing over any cash at all? No upfront money required.

egr99

[MonkeyF0cker]

Who said anything about handing over any cash at all? No upfront money required.

egr99

For a network of runners? Huh?

[Maverick22]

He is referring to runners...

[MonkeyF0cker]

Long Time No Hear Monkey...

Yeah. WSOP is going on. Been on the tables a lot lately.

[Dark Horse]

Dark Horse- Believe it or not I respect your comment and agree with you wholeheartedly. All I want is for someone to get me started. I know nothing and there's no way to gain the knowledge to get started other than to receive a little help.

Learn to find the imperfections in the beliefs that most accept as foregone conclusions. To most people a question is an itch, something annoying that they want answered so that they can forget about it and get on with their lives. But to a scientist a question is a possible doorway to a whole new way of seeing things.

Start simple. Pick a sport that interests you. As a general principle, totals are softer than sides; because more people bet on sides than on totals. You want to find a way to calculate your own line, with the help of past performances, and compare it to the line posted by the books. (And you would probably want to map the difference between your line and the book's). Be aware of the questions that pop up in your mind. They're your guides. Decide beforehand that you will succeed in the task you set yourself, and then make it happen, regardless of any challenges and obstacles.

[egr99]

Well, have you ever heard of something called credit shops/locals? Why would a runner require money up front?

I have never once placed a play at a post up in my life.

Only way a runner would ever burn you, would be by pocketing winnings. If he pockets your losses you pay him, well, good for him. It's his problem afterwards anyway.

egr99

[Peeig]

FYP

How could I possibly learn anything on here? I'm lazy, I don't want to work and read the forums and gather up all of the nuggets of value sitting in the Think Tank.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Well, have you ever heard of something called credit shops/locals? Why would a runner require money up front?

I have never once placed a play at a post up in my life.

Only way a runner would ever burn you, would be by pocketing winnings. If he pockets your losses you pay him, well, good for him. It's his problem afterwards anyway.

egr99

So your network of runners is now limited to locals. Okay, buddy.

[egr99]

So your network of runners is now limited to locals. Okay, buddy.

???? Care to elaborate, are you insinuating because I use credit/locals I wouldn't be able to get down? Very funny.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I'm insinuating that there is no point in having a network of runners for a pretty damn small selection of locals that don't clone lines.

[Flying Dutchman]

Monkey! Wot up Dude? How's the hos at the Bellagio?

[sharpcat]

How did this thread go from one guy asking for a free chicken that lays golden eggs to another guy applying for a position as a runner???

[egr99]

I'm insinuating that there is no point in having a network of runners for a pretty damn small selection of locals that don't clone lines.

Really, sounds good. You seem to know more than I do about my outs. Good way to get away from the original topic/offer though.

Anyway...

[egr99]

How did this thread go from one guy asking for a free chicken that lays golden eggs to another guy applying for a position as a runner???

This thread didn't go off topic, nobody is applying to be a runner. Simply put I issued a offer challenging all these so-called "sharps" and "big winners" which are nothing more than cry-babies and most probably break even or slightly profitable cappers.

The point is, the majority here are nothing but talkers and bashers. The guy asked a question and the influx of clowns came in bashing the guy as if their shit don't stink.

Maybe I woke up too early today on the wrong side of the bed or maybe I am fed up with everyone talking down to people as if they are gods, who knows.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Really, sounds good. You seem to know more than I do about my outs. Good way to get away from the original topic/offer though.

Anyway...

Perhaps you could enlighten me on your outs. Somehow, I doubt you have that many locals that don't clone from another book. And as for your original offer, what is "big money?" And why would anyone trust you? Where are you going to post up your "big money?" What constitutes "sharp?" Your vague post really didn't deserve a response, honestly.

[MonkeyF0cker]

This thread didn't go off topic, nobody is applying to be a runner. Simply put I issued a offer challenging all these so-called "sharps" and "big winners" which are nothing more than cry-babies and most probably break even or slightly profitable cappers.

The point is, the majority here are nothing but talkers and bashers. The guy asked a question and the influx of clowns came in bashing the guy as if their shit don't stink.

Maybe I woke up too early today on the wrong side of the bed or maybe I am fed up with everyone talking down to people as if they are gods, who knows.

Have you met any of the "so-called sharps" here personally? I've met quite a few of them. Most of the guys that have been here for years are legitimate.

The guy asked a stupid question and got stupid answers. That's shocking to you?

[u21c3f6]

I hope I am not breaking any kind of etiquette but OP, in my reponse to your PM, I told you what markets to look at first and how to start looking at lines to gain the knowledge that I use to create profitable hedges.

Have you started doing what I suggested? And if not, why not?

Joe.

[Maverick22]

This thread didn't go off topic, nobody is applying to be a runner. Simply put I issued a offer challenging all these so-called "sharps" and "big winners" which are nothing more than cry-babies and most probably break even or slightly profitable cappers.

The point is, the majority here are nothing but talkers and bashers. The guy asked a question and the influx of clowns came in bashing the guy as if their shit don't stink.

Maybe I woke up too early today on the wrong side of the bed or maybe I am fed up with everyone talking down to people as if they are gods, who knows.

That guy foolishly threw himself to the wolves. What did you expect would happen? Really? REALLY?

A guy comes into a room full of experts, and wants someone to take him under their wing. And teach him EVERYTHING they know...

How many different scenarios in life, will produce a different result? Name me three situations, where people with lots of specialized knowledge will easily take on a student, with little in the way of reason/compensation...

What do they gain by taking time to school up an unproven person in the game?

At least thats my take on it...

[xyz]

Here is a real life example of what the OP is trying to do in this thread. OP walks into DE Shaw, and asked please give me your source code for algorithmic trading and teach me how it works, and some monetary compensation is available. Where is the alpha for DE Shaw?

[Maverick22]

Here is a real life example of what the OP is trying to do in this thread. OP walks into DE Shaw, and asked please give me your source code for algorithmic trading and teach me how it works, and some monetary compensation is available. Where is the alpha for DE Shaw?

Sounds About Right...

[egr99]

Perhaps you could enlighten me on your outs. Somehow, I doubt you have that many locals that don't clone from another book. And as for your original offer, what is "big money?" And why would anyone trust you? Where are you going to post up your "big money?" What constitutes "sharp?" Your vague post really didn't deserve a response, honestly.

Perhaps you could enlighten me on your outs. Somehow, I doubt you have that many locals that don't clone from another book.

Step up to the plate and be proven wrong. It's win-win situation for everyone, whats the problem? Most clone, some shade favorites, some are reduced juice and some are very slow moving. Good enough for you?

And as for your original offer, what is "big money?"

Didn't someone say stupid questions should be given stupid answers? Grow up. This isn't a "who's got the biggest penis" contest. We aren't talking a couple hundred bucks a play here, put it that way.


And why would anyone trust you?

What do you have to loose? I haven't asked for a red cent. Im willing to put my money where my mouth is that should be good enough proof on my trust. What benefit would I have in burning someone thats providing winning picks?

Where are you going to post up your "big money?"

Post up for what? Your winning compensation? Escrow is fine anywhere legitimate, your choice. Besides, as stated above, where is the benefit in not compensating someone who is providing positive results?

What constitutes "sharp?"

A winner. Simple. Provide positive long term results.

Did I answer your questions well enough?

[egr99]

That guy foolishly threw himself to the wolves. What did you expect would happen? Really? REALLY?

A guy comes into a room full of experts, and wants someone to take him under their wing. And teach him EVERYTHING they know...

How many different scenarios in life, will produce a different result? Name me three situations, where people with lots of specialized knowledge will easily take on a student, with little in the way of reason/compensation...

What do they gain by taking time to school up an unproven person in the game?

At least thats my take on it...

You are right to a point, there was a couple good answers... I may be out of line on this one, I give you that.

It's probably a larger build up on my end with the the Think Tank crowds attitude in general over time.

[sharpcat]

[U]What benefit would I have in burning someone thats providing winning picks?

This is a great example of the misconception of what constitutes who is sharp and who is not.

Most sharp players do not focus on picking winners like squares do, sharp players bet for value. Where a square player may look at a sample of 20 bets and say "this guy sucks" a sharp will look at that sample and say "I had +EV in 15 out of 20 of those plays". Win or lose a sharp player understands when he made a valuable play and knows that as long as he is getting more +EV than -EV that they will win long term.

A players plays should be evaluated by how often he beats the fair market number and not by his win/loss record.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Perhaps you could enlighten me on your outs. Somehow, I doubt you have that many locals that don't clone from another book.

Step up to the plate and be proven wrong. It's win-win situation for everyone, whats the problem? Most clone, some shade favorites, some are reduced juice and some are very slow moving. Good enough for you?

And as for your original offer, what is "big money?"

Didn't someone say stupid questions should be given stupid answers? Grow up. This isn't a "who's got the biggest penis" contest. We aren't talking a couple hundred bucks a play here, put it that way.


And why would anyone trust you?

What do you have to loose? I haven't asked for a red cent. Im willing to put my money where my mouth is that should be good enough proof on my trust. What benefit would I have in burning someone thats providing winning picks?

Where are you going to post up your "big money?"

Post up for what? Your winning compensation? Escrow is fine anywhere legitimate, your choice. Besides, as stated above, where is the benefit in not compensating someone who is providing positive results?

What constitutes "sharp?"

A winner. Simple. Provide positive long term results.

Did I answer your questions well enough?

So you want someone to post +EV plays publicly for an unspecified amount of money, an unspecified sample size, and against an unspecified lineset? You're as stupid as the OP.

[egr99]

So you want someone to post +EV plays publicly for an unspecified amount of money, an unspecified sample size, and against an unspecified lineset? You're as stupid as the OP.

Well I guess you are so bright that you might qualify for IDIOT SAVANT status.

It was clearly stated "privatly" in my original post.

Who said anything about public? Did I once say to post plays publicly? I am not stupid. Why would I pay someone to post plays publicly? How would that make any sense?

Terms would obviously be discussed, but whats the point? Nobody has or will step up to the plate, proving my point that most here are slightly profitable or barely break even and just talk a big game. Simple.

Yet the majority act like gods and cry about limits and protecting their (non-existant) edges.

[egr99]

This is a great example of the misconception of what constitutes who is sharp and who is not.

Most sharp players do not focus on picking winners like squares do, sharp players bet for value. Where a square player may look at a sample of 20 bets and say "this guy sucks" a sharp will look at that sample and say "I had +EV in 15 out of 20 of those plays". Win or lose a sharp player understands when he made a valuable play and knows that as long as he is getting more +EV than -EV that they will win long term.

A players plays should be evaluated by how often he beats the fair market number and not by his win/loss record.

You get an A+ for cherry picking words ou of context and putting words in peoples mouth. 2nd time this thread.

Congrats. You seem to forget the following quote from my previous post.

What constitutes "sharp?"

A winner. Simple. Provide positive long term results.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Well I guess you are so bright that you might qualify for IDIOT SAVANT status.

It was clearly stated "privatly" in my original post.

Who said anything about public? Did I once say to post plays publicly? I am not stupid. Why would I pay someone to post plays publicly? How would that make any sense?

Terms would obviously be discussed, but whats the point? Nobody has or will step up to the plate, proving my point that most here are slightly profitable or barely break even and just talk a big game. Simple.

Yet the majority act like gods and cry about limits and protecting their (non-existant) edges.

So you want someone to post +EV plays privately for an unspecified amount of money, an unspecified sample size, and against an unspecified lineset? You're as stupid as the OP.

[MonkeyF0cker]

You get an A+ for cherry picking words ou of context and putting words in peoples mouth. 2nd time this thread.

Congrats. You seem to forget the following quote from my previous post.

What constitutes "sharp?"

A winner. Simple. Provide positive long term results.

What is the definition of long term? So this challenge is going to last years? LOL.

[Maverick22]

Well I guess you are so bright that you might qualify for IDIOT SAVANT status.

It was clearly stated "privatly" in my original post.

Who said anything about public? Did I once say to post plays publicly? I am not stupid. Why would I pay someone to post plays publicly? How would that make any sense?

Terms would obviously be discussed, but whats the point? Nobody has or will step up to the plate, proving my point that most here are slightly profitable or barely break even and just talk a big game. Simple.

Yet the majority act like gods and cry about limits and protecting their (non-existant) edges.

I stepped up Now lets talk terms

[egr99]

I won't even bother responding anymore, I see my point is being proven with every post.

You know the deal, you know how to find me whoever you might be.

Take Care.

egr99

[sharpcat]

So what does one receive for succeeding in this challenge? A trophy? some type of certificate? will they have bragging rights over in the players talk forum? Will they get a movie deal like Brandon Lang (except Lang never actually succeeded as a capper)

obviously the price one would expect to receive for this service would likely not be worth the effort alone.