This is a very important question for the professionals on this forum and also for those of you who get plays and advice from these pros. Who do you subscribe to? Is it someone on here? If you are a true pro on here, how much do you charge for your plays? I'm not looking for your typical service that says here's your plays. I'm looking for someone who tells you "Team A just opened at +8 and it should probably be something like +5. pound that line." It needs to be personal like that. I'm looking for real pros to buy these plays from and to also learn from and get to know on a personal level so they can teach me. Plz post or PM if you are one of these people whom I seek.
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No such people exist.Comment -
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I will teach you everything I know for a $1000/hr., reasonable rate in my opinion.Comment -
All awful replies so far ty. Who takes this seriously? I want to know. I truly want to learn how to win and maximize my value. Who can help?Comment -
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This about sums it up here
don't expect anyone who has spent many years and many dollars perfecting what they do to just hand you the golden key............it is not going to happen pay your dues like everyone else has. The more sharp players in the market the less opportunities there is to profit, this is why nobody is going to just hand over hard earned knowledge to you.
One could not begin to put a price on such knowledge
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lol I got a good laugh out of this one.
Typical product of western schooling. You raise your hand with a question and expect the answer to be handed to you, especially if you really want to know.
If you really want to know, use that drive for your own research. Desire is a good starting point. If you don't want to do the work yourself, rest assured that you didn't really want to know.Comment -
Actually you could put a price on that knowledge. I would pay quite a bit. But you know what guys? I'm so disappointed with the people on this forum. It's not even hard to win. You people act like you're so sharp but you're really not. You just make picks. I have a handicapper and he wins, but I want to maximize my profit and be regarded as someone who not only bets on winners but who maximizes value in every way possible. I guess I'll have to take my chances on a different forum. PM me if you're serious and we'll talk about coaching prices. I would appreciate it.Comment -
Dark Horse- Believe it or not I respect your comment and agree with you wholeheartedly. All I want is for someone to get me started. I know nothing and there's no way to gain the knowledge to get started other than to receive a little help.Comment -
$50,000 dollars to compensate guys for all the money they lost over the years they spent learning the knowledge that you want handed over to you.
$50,000 dollars for all the time spent over the years constructing databases, tracking lines, searching for angles.
$50,000 dollars for the expected value that one would lose out on over the years having another player in the game to compete against.
$50,000 dollars for mentoring fees.
$200,000 dollars overall, or you could just spend the next couple years of your life working hard to learn on your own.
This is the second time in a month you have thrown your line out hoping to get a bite and have caught nothing, if you want to go elsewhere and fish I wish you luck but doubt any fish will bite. With a name that likely translates to "I'll-F-U-Up-TN I doubt many will take you seriously you sound like an 18 year old kid with an unrealistic dream.
As Durito stated the information is out there if you want to take the time to learn, but I get the impression that is not the easy answer you were hoping for and this is not the type of living that a person who wants easy answers is cut out for.Comment -
How could I possibly learn anything on here? "Dodgers -1.5?" is the most insightful thread you'll ever see in a month's time on here.Comment -
If this is what you consider insightful than you are most definately looking in the wrong places trying to find easy money.
as suggested before dig through the think tank and read posts from posters like Ganchrow, Justin7, and many other sharp guys in the tank. These guys have a lot of educated info out there, possibly too much educated info, but most people are overwhelmed by all of the numbers and programming topics to take the time to dig in and challenge their minds. Stay away from advice you get in players talk and the service plays forums 99.5% of those guys are all clowns who lose long term and only post plays and write ups on games hoping to hit a hot streak and attempt to go tout. Anybody who tells you to take the dodgers -1.5 with no regards to what the price is on the line is not sharp.
Successfully gambling on sports is not easy and a lot of time and hard work goes into it and even some of the sharpest guys out there could lose long-term.
The best piece of advice I could give you is to get this idea of making a living solely betting on sports out of your mind it is something that less than 1 in 100 are able to accomplish, in fact forget about profiting and just focus on enjoying the challenge and just try breaking even long-term.Comment -
Sharpcat-I was mocking with that whole "dodgers -1.5" thing. Thank you for continuing to care even though your words are somewhat harsh. I think it is very much possible to win long term and therefore it is possible to make a living off of it. Apparently no one else here takes this as seriously as I do. That's why I want to learn soooooo bad. But I guess there's nobody to learn from. I'll just have to become the teacher someday.Comment -
illfuu,
What books have you read on this topic so far? Let's start there to see if you are serious.Comment -
Illfuuptn, I'm not consider myself a pro here but I do bet and learn the game for a long time. Sport betting just like Poker they have all style to beat the game some expert they beat the game by take advantage of softlines and pound on it like you name it but that is just 1 out of 100 keys to beat the game there. Other pro watching close to the line movement and bet on them, then some bet on certain team by by all the research to see which team is good here and there ect. then Other just build so many systems whenever game that fit into system they'll bet on.
tell you the true those thing is priceless and not too many people willing to teach you on them. All the trick that you buy in the market will not work because so many people applied on them and there no longer any value on it.
Overall if you want to learn the best is learning by yourself and start to do the test on it. All I can give you is key #1 to win in this long term in money management.
#1 Don't ever bet more than 5% of your total bankroll. I would recommend you start with 1-2% there.
#2 Stay with straight bet don't bet Parlays the payout look good but it will hurt you in long run.
#3 Don't Chase, yet sometime you win with chase but once you lost the chase all your roll could be gone in few days
hope this will help
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And ignore Vietussport's #2 suggestion. Parlays have a place, if used properly.Comment -
number one rule must get reduced juice cant beat sports with -110 juiceComment -
Very interesting question. Of course it didn't get the results you wanted. What could expect? Durito, Justin and others are renowned pros and they must be treated with a certain type of respect on these forums for them to even budge. God Bless your journey!המוסד
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My post was 100% serious, for you to claim otherwise shows how un-serious you are about winning. Spotting value is your first lesson, my offer was great value only to be chastised by you for my lack of dedication to my craft. I am offended sir. I admire your glorious quest to become a long term winner and was simply attempting to aid you on this righteous journey only to be painfully rebuffed.Comment -
Yeah you won't have any luck here, my suggestion is to ask at another forum, because none of these punks will ever give you a straight answer. I mean why even bother asking here, its not like there are threads that are right below this one that are authored by posters who have calculated their current position in the market by comprehensive analysis, and intense research. There is nobody like that here. None is these rookie posters can even do simple Visual Basic, much less write perl scripts to extract data and manipulate useful market information. Because you won't find such threads on this forum, not even through a brief survey of the page of this thread. And all this talk about Ganchrow, the guy has barely brought anything to the table other than thought provoking content and extremely sophisticated systematical methods of approaching the myriad ways to appropriate your money, while finding market value. But all that garbage is just noise, and doesn't mean anything.
Shit SBR doesn't even have a search function. And neither does Google
I'd say your best bet is to pay Brandon Lang or Marc Lawrence and tail them Dime for DimeComment -
There are two entities that can set a line that is close to accurate:
1) the modelers, and then only those who are good modelers.
2) the market, which is basically a weighted summation of the knowledge of the teams by all bettors.
After all the fuss and BS, the so-called sharp folks either must derive knowledge from one or the other or both.
If you are not sharp enough in math to be one of the former, then you must learn from the latter. However, if you have a decent pile of money you can rent the former, but don't expect long term "rules of thumb" to be derived as we are all looking for those, and unfortunately they tend to change as the market and the leagues react to *everything* in order to win. In my instance, even if I told you everything that is going on in the simulations I run, without the math, you could not keep up. Frankly, the model is really an extremely complex tot-board as I can't keep up with everything the model finds.
But guess what? Even if you pay me a lot of money, I'm not going to tell you what is going on in my sims. My techniques are secret, even my best friends don't know what's in the code. Those that I really trust know generally what's going on, but I'd never give what took me decades to develop to anybody who is sharp enough to understand the math.
I've dbs that go back 30-40 years that show the line has become significantly sharper over the years. Soon every sport will become like the NFL and MLB and become virtually unbeatable because more people have computers, and dbs, and are trying to do what I can (but not all the time).
BTW, if trends hold up, in 10 years or so most all the value will be pounded out of the lines in even the minor sports, and I'd like to preserve what advantage I've got.Comment -
Far from the so-called "sharps" here myself, but my suggestion to you is to follow RAS. Probably the only publicly available capper around that is worth the money. I bet 9 out of 10 of the "sharps" here (if not all of them) follow him in some form or another.
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One other thing, if you can catch a good modeler who is on the rise and poor enough to be hungry and sponsor him (given that you have enough money to do this) then you might have a chance to do what you are looking for. Otherwise, you've little chance.
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Wrecktangle, nothing but the utmost respect for you, I am sure you are a great modeler etc... Along with a couple other guys here... I am sure most of you "sharps" do well on your own or in private groups.
As an outsider and someone who reads this board and others daily, I am fairly certain several posters here that consider themselves "sharp" or "big long term winners" are simply a mirage.
I am willing to pay *BIG* money if someone steps up to the plate (privatly ofcourse) and offers a good winning strategy/model whatever you guys want to call it.
And before the majority of you guys turn around and bash my post/offer by talking about your success etc... Trust me, I will put my money where my mouth is and put the ball in any of your courts.
I guarantee you, nobody will step up to the plate and everyone will go back to their "I am protecting my edge etc.."
Well let me tell you, I couldn't care less how anyone produces their results as long as their positive. And your edge will be far from gone, because anyone with a half a brain and so-called "sharp plays" would be moving money around with runners and offscreen books which wouldn't damage any of your edges. There are tons of books you can play at and by doing it properly you could get *HUGE* amounts down on games/matchups/props without even going near any of the big boys who might catch on.
Guys who cry about limits being slashed or value being lost because of people hammering overnight lines might be good at picking winners and producing results. However, these people obviously lack in setting up proper networks of runners and/or accounts to get down. It might not affect their winning percentages/records but it definatly hurts their wallet and is a critical part of a successful operation.
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Forming a syndicate is not necessarily the route a sharp has to follow many sharp plays only stick around for a few minutes not even enough time to inform all of your beards.
You guys do not get it there is no one way to be successful and there is no easy way to do it either it requires hard work.
Good winning strategy= Get a better price than the market closes at.
pay up.
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