The Major talks about The Shrink

[Fishhead]

I like the Major because he tells the truth. He doesn't bullshit like all the other people saying he was a good guy and all that nonsense.

LOL

Ok, so you like a bad guy that tells the truth about himself.

CRICKETS

[bradthebloke]

i think he owed books major money. i dont buy the wpp theory. think he offed himself or faked it for the books to think he was out.

[Dogball]

There are numerous reasons Ken could have faked his death. I would only be speculating but I think guys like me and Fish who knew him better than most and spoke to him with some regularity contemplating the same thing is more than a coincidence.
I made it through Law School and am trained to think rationally. There is no proof that this happened. The absence of genuine news coverage is a red flag. Those of you pointing to the article above and obituary are not using your heads. An obituary , like a wedding announcement is purchased.
Much more importantly are the alleged facts surrounding this situation. The do not add up.
I am curious, what happened with guys who played through him, and I have at times within the last year. What became of there balances or debits ? I dont qualify at this time to answer.
I think we will have more information over the next few weeks to have more specific and productive conversations. I know there is a lot more I can and want to say but am holding back out of respect to the families , Ken and myself. I wouldnt want to be wrong if i put myself out there and a poster above hoopster makes the best case more th emost likely scenario if this really happened.

[hoopster42]

Dogball, you and Fishy dont get it. people dont care about gamblers, and if people dont care then the press doesnt care. what, you expect nancy grace to cover this? larry king live? washington politicians said their piece 4 yrs ago w/UIGEA and that is that. they honestly dont care about The Shrink nor do they care about anyone else in the United States who still wagers offshore even though its clear our govt does not want us to. the major news outlets and the major sports media outlets do not care about gamblers, so thats why there is no major news coverage about it. the Shrink was never covered in the major news or sports media before so why would they start when he died? come on man, use your heads and get The Shrink out of your head. even in death he is continuing to haunt you. or maybe there's a part of you, that as a degenerate bettor yourselves, doesnt wana accept that one of your own would off himself like that. maybe it makes you feel vulnerable, too mortal, maybe it makes you look at yourself in the mirror and ask if this is really the life you want. psychology might be playing a huge role here in your inability or refusal to accept that The Shrink really did this to himself and maybe his wife, too

[shock11]

wow unbelievable

[Fishhead]

HOOP......

The media has very little to do with my thinking............there are numerous other RED FLAGS surrounding this event.


By the way, it's not like I'm ruling out that it was a double suicide or suicide-murder..........just at this time, I'm of the opinion more so that this is not what happened.

As DOGBALL said, let's see what transpires over the coming weeks and months and maybe we all can make a better assessment of this sad, sad situation.

[hoopster42]

HOOP......

The media has very little to do with my thinking............there are numerous other RED FLAGS surrounding this event.


By the way, it's not like I'm ruling out that it was a double suicide or suicide-murder..........just at this time, I'm of the opinion more so that this is not what happened.

As DOGBALL said, let's see what transpires over the coming weeks and months and maybe we all can make a better assessment of this sad, sad situation.

if the family does not want details of the police investigation to come out, the court can seal the records and no one will ever know what happened. that might be good, because then some of you can continue to hold on to your conspiracy theories. do you honestly believe The Shrink could just disappear, never to be heard from again by anybody except his family? no chance. someone who is THAT USED to the limelight in the gambling world could NEVER just disappear and be okay with it to never post or be heard from again. nope, not a chance in hell

[obamaismyuncle]

I heard that Elvis stopped by and picked Kenny up in the pink Cadillac and they headed West. Rumor has it they are in Vegas and staying at the El Cortez.

[1tarheelfan]

Tony M must be praising shrink because he probably gets a ton of life insurance money. Who wouldn't change their mind frame about the whole situation a little bit when 1-2 million falls into your hands? Still It is very disturbing. Seems like material you are more likely to see in a movie.

i hate to admit it,buy the sad truth is i believe you are rightwhen they say its not about the money its about the money..my feeling about the situation is this.i would respect ken more if he would have left his wife alone.ive thought about taking my life,but i have never thought once of taking my family with me.

[jjgold]

my theory based on everything i've read on message boards, and my FINAL thought on the matter:

the Shrink was a degenerate bettor just like the majority of sports bettors are. he lost a lot more money than he ever made and in the end, he owed way too much money to way too many people/books and could NEVER pay it all off, had no equity in his home and NO OTHER real assets and knew EOG was not worth much, so instead of having to accept a "poor" living lifestyle and lose whatever he had, he convinced his wife (who was probably not willing to live poor either) that this was the only way to go. my suspicions are that he thought of suicide many many times over the yrs. his "money talks" win in vegas was just one lucky run but at the end of the day he was a losing bettor who had a serious gambling problem. instead of using only cash to bet he bet on CREDIT for many many yrs and the balance owed kept growing. he kept chasing and chasing and the debt kept growing and growing. in the end, the Shrink was no different than your average every day losing gambler. he just lost much BIGGER than the avg gambler because books were willing to extend him credit. the only other difference was that he had a name because of what he did as a pioneer w/sports gambling message boards. besides those 2 things, he was just a degenerate losing gambler and his ending is very sad. people should learn from this. i know i have.

the end.

That is exactly what happened

[chance]

I like Fishhead do not believe The Shrink to be an average bettor. He had a wealth of knowledge. He made stupid bets while under the influence but while sober I doubt he could lose money.

I think he needed a lot of money to finance the life he became used too though.

I doubt very strongly he busted out gambling!!!!

[hoopster42]

I like Fishhead do not believe The Shrink to be an average bettor. He had a wealth of knowledge. He made stupid bets while under the influence but while sober I doubt he could lose money.

I think he needed a lot of money to finance the life he became used too though.

I doubt very strongly he busted out gambling!!!!

i'm sure he was a good HANDICAPPER but being a good BETTOR is a much different thing. come on man, we've pretty much ALL been there before, chasing gms. i've done it, too. we ALL have. the difference is that most of us do not have credit accts and or access to lots of credit, we are small timers. in the betting gm, The Shrink was a BIG-TIMER and probably got credit lines of 6 digits to bet at many places. no question the guy could probably 'cap pretty well but he got stuck chasing and that's a hard habit to break.

all in all this a horrible story and i feel terrible for his children and his grandchildren

[hoopster42]

That is exactly what happened

i've just put together what many people said on many different forums (including you) and i think it's pretty clear, the timing of it right after college hoops just ended is interesting too, he said in his final post that this was "the quiet period for many including yours truly" which tells you he probably used to take time off between april and august so he knew he couldn't chase his debt til football season and it was his time to go. again, very very very sad situation. a guy who had all those resources and inside knowledge from the top cappers in the world yet he could not control the urge and evils of gambling over one's head. this story makes me wana quit gambling altogether so i don't get so sucked into it that i lose my mind over it

[pokernut9999]

There are numerous reasons Ken could have faked his death. I would only be speculating but I think guys like me and Fish who knew him better than most and spoke to him with some regularity contemplating the same thing is more than a coincidence.
I made it through Law School and am trained to think rationally. There is no proof that this happened. The absence of genuine news coverage is a red flag. Those of you pointing to the article above and obituary are not using your heads. An obituary , like a wedding announcement is purchased.
Much more importantly are the alleged facts surrounding this situation. The do not add up.
I am curious, what happened with guys who played through him, and I have at times within the last year. What became of there balances or debits ? I dont qualify at this time to answer.
I think we will have more information over the next few weeks to have more specific and productive conversations. I know there is a lot more I can and want to say but am holding back out of respect to the families , Ken and myself. I wouldnt want to be wrong if i put myself out there and a poster above hoopster makes the best case more th emost likely scenario if this really happened.

Could have fooled me

[pokernut9999]

I like Fishhead do not believe The Shrink to be an average bettor. He had a wealth of knowledge. He made stupid bets while under the influence but while sober I doubt he could lose money.

I think he needed a lot of money to finance the life he became used too though.

I doubt very strongly he busted out gambling!!!!

When does this nonsense stop

[Dogball]

Hoopster-
Like I said, there are many other issues for discussion that I am not comfortable addressing at this point. As for your commentary about the psychological impact this would have on a player like myself, trust me I dont need this to be true to understand what compulsive gambling can do to a person.
I trusted someone i know for ten + years who worked for me. This January he stole over 300k from me and blew his head off in las vegas. He was a runner who Ive trusted with cash for over three years and never had a real issue with him. His suicide shocked the hell out of me, cramped my finances significantly and continues to plague me.


Pokernut- whats so funny ? What did I say that is irrational. Do you know Ken on any level ? If you have a substantive point to address do so

ps Courts cannot simply seal records if families do not want details coming out. Not sure why you believe that to be accurate. This isnt even an issue for courts. There are issues like death certificates which would be filed if this really happened

[Fishhead]

Dogball, great to see you here on the forum.........your wisdon is priceless.

Sorry to hear about your recent troubles, that really stinks......300k, wow!

[INVEGA MAN]

Fish is hiding Ken and Jackie on the $333,000 farm in Iowa that Fish bought with Ken's money.

[Unicorn7]

damn..all anyone can do is speculate aside from his inner most circle

ten years from now shrink will be thought of in a jimmy hoffa type manner

you`ll always wonder what the fuk really happened cause unless the shrink pulls the biggest resurection in history aside from jesus christ none of you meager minions will know what da fuk really happened so theorize your asses off in the end thats all we can do

wow..what a fuken story eh guys?..never saw this one comin..I woulds thought Mo woulda killed himself from gambling losses but I thought the shrink had some green..I aint no one but a commoner though

[hoopster42]

Dogball, great to see you here on the forum.........your wisdon is priceless.

Sorry to hear about your recent troubles, that really stinks......300k, wow!

no shit, sorry to hear that, Dogball. i guess the bright side is that he did not blow YOUR head off and it's only money you lost

[wtf]

i think hoopster is spot on

irrespective what inside dope dogball does not wish to share with us, even though i cannot imagine what on earth it could be

to pull off a fake death like this would be quite a logistical nightmare

much easier to just kill himself as he was too old to start over after pissing it all away, and did not want to climb that mountain again

[hoopster42]

i think hoopster is spot on

irrespective what inside dope dogball does not wish to share with us, even though i cannot imagine what on earth it could be

to pull off a fake death like this would be quite a logistical nightmare

much easier to just kill himself as he was too old to start over after pissing it all away, and did not want to climb that mountain again

this is my thinking as well. the Shrink and his wife were supposedly very very very close to their family. to fake their deaths and just disappear, they would have to avoid contacting their families and close friends for fear of being caught by the wrong people. also, Shrink would never get to post on his own message board again as "the Shrink" or "ken" or "weitzner" or anything even close to that. he would be alive and safe but would be miserable. cannot imagine a guy who so many people have said had a huge ego would be remotely happy w/a life like that. his entire identity gone, his house gone, you name it would all be gone. he would have to stop doing all the things publicly on his board and in betting that he did. just cannot see it. when you add that to all of the current death-related things that happened w/the articles, the funeral, so many family and friends vouching, the only conclusion is that The Shrink & his wife are truly dead. sad sad sad, but true

[raiders72002]

Shrink took Calgary because of Fishhead's reccommendation.LMAO

I heard that Shrink was so wasted that he bet the wrong team. He didn't even know what team he had until the next day.

[jjgold]

Guys remember gamblers are not really good people especially compulsive gamblers

They cheat, lie, steal, con, ect

Its all about the next bet and nothing else

[Fishhead]

Shrink took Calgary because of Fishhead's reccommendation.LMAO

I heard that Shrink was so wasted that he bet the wrong team. He didn't even know what team he had until the next day.

In all my conversations with THE SHRINK, not only will this be the one I remember the most, it is also the most comical.

Shrink was so, so happy about his big win and was grinning from ear to ear.

.......and he indeed did know who he had bet because he told me the last 6 minutes of that game was one gigantic sweat(TB hanging on to a 2-1 lead).........and it was certainly frantic. Told me it was the first time he ever watched a hockey game with money on it.

The best part of the whole ordeal is when he started calling all these sportsbooks to confirm his bet on the game while I was on the phone..........LOL...........If I recall, the biggest one was like 89,000 to win whatever amount(I recall the book but will not say here on the forum).


By the way, my opinion is that LEGAL consequences played a much larger role in this whole sad situation much more then MONEY MATTERS.

[Dogball]

Hoopster-
YOu make a good point and I have thought about that. He was around my kids from time to time and I really trusted him. It could have been worse but what I am left to deal with emotionally is very difficult. I can pick up the pieces. as for faking death - my version would be the immediate family would know the truth. Only immediate family


Fish - Thank you . We go way back and its been a long time since i spent regular time on any forum.


godd luck today guys

[Dogball]

the incident i refer to happened this january. i will try and make a post about it this week. it is an amazing and shocking story.
does anyone here regularly play poker at The Wynn or Bellagio ?

[BigdaddyQH]

This is going to go on forever isn't it? The bottom line is that other than a few posters and his family, NO ONE really cares whether he is dead or not. No one in Vegas really cares. No one in Qunatico really cares. No one in D.C. really cares. This guy always had to be in the limelight. So he takes his wife and himslef out in a manner that will keep him in the limelight. Very typical of people like him. If you knew him at all, you knew that he was always suicidal. He was a bad drunk and druggie. He certainly was not a very good gambler. While he had his monents, he would inevitably blow all of his winnings.

It is time to let this go. Dead or alive, he will not be around anymore, so for all intense and purposes, he is dead. Just let it rest at that. This guy was small potatoes in the grand scheme of things.

[bradthebloke]

wonder how much he was worth or lost

[Slim]

Shrink died broke.

[Fishhead]

Shrink died broke.

Again, I just find this very, very hard to fathom.............perhaps I will buy the suicide/broke/murder story someday, but right now I'm not.

[Slim]

Shrink wouldn't last in jail. People would find out that his name was shrink and being known as a "head doctor" in prison is not good.

[hoopster42]

if The Shrink is still alive, this is GENIUS LEVEL shit on his part. gotta be so hard to fake a death in this day and age

[Fishhead]

if The Shrink is still alive, this is GENIUS LEVEL shit on his part. gotta be so hard to fake a death in this day and age

Ken is/was a genius on many levels, don't did yourself.

[hoopster42]

Ken is/was a genius on many levels, don't did yourself.

Fishy you knew the guy personally so i'll take your word for it, man. seeing you actually lean to him still being alive is making me re-think my opinion on it, really it is. maybe i have too much respect for your opinion or maybe i'm crazy. it's probably both