The Major talks about The Shrink

[Fishhead]

Dont forget Kenny had other issues like past drug and alcohol abuse

Who knows what his state of mind was

His state of mind is that of MASTERFUL SHREDNESS...........he has proven that over and over and over and over and over throughout the years.

A mastermind of massive proportions in this regard.

[pavyracer]

Dont forget Kenny had other issues like past drug and alcohol abuse

Who knows what his state of mind was

If he shot himself or jumped off a building I can buy this theory. But to drug someone with sleeping pills and then sit in a car in the garage with engine running seems like a well planned murder/suicide because you have to make sure the garage door will not open accidentally or you chickened out at the last minute and pushed the remote to open the door. Don't you also forget his last post where he mentioned he was going for vacation and thanked everyone like it was the last time he was going to see them. This murder/suicide was well planned and thought out and not someone losing his state of mind momentarily. The reason he said he was going for vacation is so that no one would be looking for him and start calling his house or cell while he was doing this. Maybe someone would have called the neighbors and alerted them to check up on them and caught him in the act if he didn't told his closest friends and family he was going on vacation.

[Dogball]

exactly Fish. He is a genius at that. Plain and simple.
Ken had been helpful to me and I truly enjoyed interacting with him. it never registered with me and the more I think about it the more I am convinced this is a story and he is around. My friend is a PI who did some work for me verifying a similiar alleged incident. I have asked him to pull certain documents which would have to be filed if this were true. Time will tell.

[Fishhead]

If he shot himself or jumped off a building I can buy this theory. But to drug someone with sleeping pills and then sit in a car in the garage with engine running seems like a well planned murder/suicide because you have to make sure the garage door will not open accidentally or you chickened out at the last minute and pushed the remote to open the door. Don't you also forget his last post where he mentioned he was going for vacation and thanked everyone like it was the last time he was going to see them. This murder/suicide was well planned and thought out and not someone losing his state of mind momentarily. The reason he said he was going for vacation is so that no one would be looking for him and start calling his house or cell while he was doing this. Maybe someone would have called the neighbors and alerted them to check up on them and caught him in the act if he didn't told his closest friends and family he was going on vacation.

Or he was indicating in a subtle way that he ACTUALLY WAS GOING ON A LONG, LONG, EXTENDED VACATION due to certain circumstances(that did NOT involve death).

[Fishhead]

CLOSED CASKETS are but one of many RED FLAGS in this case.

It is sad for the family either way, as they will probably have to avoid contact with them for quite sometime even if they are still alive.

However, I can GUARANTEE YOU that Kenny has thought of away around this angle also...............

Shrink was a so-so gambler, but he is one of the OVERALL SHARPEST MINDS to ever grace the forum world when it came to many other areas...................HE HAD NO EQUAL in many areas that many of us never even ponder about.

[BigdaddyQH]

If he shot himself or jumped off a building I can buy this theory. But to drug someone with sleeping pills and then sit in a car in the garage with engine running seems like a well planned murder/suicide because you have to make sure the garage door will not open accidentally or you chickened out at the last minute and pushed the remote to open the door. Don't you also forget his last post where he mentioned he was going for vacation and thanked everyone like it was the last time he was going to see them. This murder/suicide was well planned and thought out and not someone losing his state of mind momentarily. The reason he said he was going for vacation is so that no one would be looking for him and start calling his house or cell while he was doing this. Maybe someone would have called the neighbors and alerted them to check up on them and caught him in the act if he didn't told his closest friends and family he was going on vacation.

You make some very valid points. I have seen no evidence to refute anything you have posted. What you say makes as much sense as anything else I have seen posted about this event.

[Dogball]

what can had beyond his gambling skills was information.
that proved to be helpful more often than harmful.
no doubt he found trouble regardless of what really happened so this is a very sad story no matter what

[Fishhead]

what can had beyond his gambling skills was information.
that proved to be helpful more often than harmful.
no doubt he found trouble regardless of what really happened so this is a very sad story no matter what

[Chuck Sims]

Yup

Becoming more and more convinced they are not dead.

More and more the pieces are coming together.

SHRINK is dead. So is Elvis.

[Fishhead]

SHRINK is dead. So is Elvis.

Ok, how sure are you of this............and how would you know for certain????????

IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO KNOW FOR CERTAIN.........UNLESS YOU KILLED THEM OR WAS THE ALLEGED HOUSEKEEPER THAT FOUND THEM.

So again I ask, how certain are you??............and better yet, what makes you certain?

[hoopster42]

The Shrink is worse than Michael Vick for killing those dogs.

you're on drugs. IF shrink killed the dogs it was a horrible thing to do but MORE HUMANE than what michael vick did to SEVERAL dogs in FORCING THEM TO FIGHT AND SUFFER

[hoopster42]

Ok, how sure are you of this............and how would you know for certain????????

IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO KNOW FOR CERTAIN.........UNLESS YOU KILLED THEM OR WAS THE ALLEGED HOUSEKEEPER THAT FOUND THEM.

So again I ask, how certain are you??............and better yet, what makes you certain?

wow, Fishy, the Shrink is so far in your head even in death. family and friends came in from everywhere to attend the funeral. if he was going to disappear, he would have said "i'm going on vacation" and then just disappear. why go through all the trouble of faking 2 deaths and maybe even the dogs death. what's the point of the whole charade? if it's WPP then they would just disappear. if they wanted to go into hiding then they would just disappear. do you truly think that their ENTIRE family + circle of friends + funeral home + people who have written articles on the ongoing investigation are ALL in on this together? seriously?

if you really think he's alive, please tell us exactly WHY he would go into hiding and how exactly all of these people around him have been convinced that he's dead.

[Fishhead]

The THEORY that they killed the dogs is another RED FLAG.

Obviously, Ken and/or Jackie were extremely close to their pets and took them with them.





Would love to hear the explanations from those that are so certain they committed suicide as to why the dogs were also taken with them..........

[hoopster42]

Would love to hear the explanations from those that are so certain they committed suicide as to why the dogs were also taken with them..........

maybe he or the wife had a weird attachment to the dogs, but on another message board i read someone's post who said the dogs are alive and well, that it's just a false rumor that the dogs died too. all you've got is dogs, fishy? is that it? dogs?

[Fishhead]

maybe he or the wife had a weird attachment to the dogs, but on another message board i read someone's post who said the dogs are alive and well, that it's just a false rumor that the dogs died too. all you've got is dogs, fishy? is that it? dogs?

Read all the forums and make your own conclusions.

If you feel they have passed away, you have that right.


At this point, I feel differently.

[pokernut9999]

Reading these threads really makes me wonder about the posters here

Guys the weather is nice , maybe go outside and get some fresh air one day.

[hoopster42]

Read all the forums and make your own conclusions.

If you feel they have passed away, you have that right.


At this point, I feel differently.

so this reporter, "kristin davis" is also in on the cover up? and she is falsely saying there is an investigation? risking her job to lie in a published article?

http://hamptonroads.com/2010/04/police-investigate-deaths-chesapeake-husband-and-wife?cid=rltd

[Scorpion]

Read all the forums and make your own conclusions.

If you feel they have passed away, you have that right.


At this point, I feel differently.

FYI

Read an article on another site about a post by Shrink 4 years ago, found it on his site EOG so I think the case is closed, feel bad for his family:

http://forums.eog.com/online-sportsbooks-and-gambling-discussion/there-any-friends-bill-17458.html?highlight=pineapple#post149290

Yes, it's true. For many years, I drank and drugged excessively because those chemicals made me feel good. No matter how stressful a day I was having, I knew that by 5 PM, the alcohol was there to drink and calm me down. And it did!



For what it is worth, I did not accept that I had a drinking problem, despite getting a total of 12 DUI'S between 1980 and 2000. You see, I hired the best lawyers, who were able to wipe most of them clean or at the very least, reduce others to reckless driving. I could have KILLED some innocent bystander along the way but that never stopped me from getting behind the wheel of my car while inebriated!



As the years passed, I continued to drink and drug excessively. Instead of simply wanting a drink, I needed three. Happy Hour began earlier and earlier. I did start noticing Alcohol was no longer my best Friend, but rather, my worst Enemy. It was interfering in every aspect of my life. But, I could not stop.



One of the most pathetic examples of drinking involved betting over a hundred thousand dollars on three different occasions on Sports teams I knew little about. In fact, the only time I WON was gambling on game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals two years ago. I never even bet Hockey before!. One prominent sports book could discern I was "toasted." He called someone else to tell them about it and asked if he should book the bet. Thankfully, he did.



But the other two occasions amounted to substantial losses. I didn't even know the exact figure was more than two hundred thousand dollars until I called each offshore operator the next day to find out the total. And for those of you wondering, I did NOT ask to hear the tapes because I was ashamed. I did not want to hear my slurred speech and belligerent attitude.



I knew I was an alcoholic and addict, but yet I could not stop. My Friends and Family were always the main victims of my selfishness. I neglected them, lied to them, cheated, and no one trusted me anymore. Imagine that.



I had been in and out of treatment centers five times, but that did not stop me from drinking or drugging. I continued to choose alcohol ahead of everything else that was important to me in my life, especially my wife.



I couldn't even look myself in the mirror anymore because I hated what I saw and my skin color changed somewhere between yellow and ashen gray. I looked like a pineapple.



As things got worse, I even thought of suicide. I searched GOOGLE extensively for painless ways to die. Believe it or not, I read that drowning was actually supposed to be euphoric, but the thought of water filling my lungs and suffocation did not appeal to me.



Then, when I least expected it, something was about to happen that would change my life completely around for the better. I was about to learn how to stay sober one day at a time, and sometimes, one hour at a time.



For me, that something is indeed A.A. I had written this earlier today, without intending on sharing it since I only have one month in the program. But, if my story inspires even one person to get help or change, then it is worth it.



AA has worked thus far, and I realize it is a daily journey. Where it will end, I haven't a clue. But for today, I look forward to my meetings, I have a sponsor, and most important of all, I don't drink or use. No DOCTOR in the world was able to cure me of my problems, which by the way, is KEN too...



Peace,



THE SHRINK







P.S.



Thank you Jason, Devil and Ironlock....

[Fishhead]

so this reporter, "kristin davis" is also in on the cover up? and she is falsely saying there is an investigation? risking her job to lie in a published article?

http://hamptonroads.com/2010/04/poli...-wife?cid=rltd

Appears to me she is only reporting WHAT SHE WAS TOLD...........she has no reason to believe anything otherwise.

[jjgold]

Guys for the 11th time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your fukkin watching too much TV

Guys that testify in huge drug and organize crime cases do not fake their own deaths

Common now your acting like children

[hoopster42]

Scorpion, great post above. last time it was the drinking that almost drove this guy to suicide but this time it was likely the GAMBLING ADDICTION that put him over the edge. for all we know, maybe the guy just hated life now that he couldn't drink anymore or maybe he was back to the bottle and knew he was gona be killing himself slowly so why not just go now. maybe he or his wife were diagnosed w/stage 4 cancer or something. we have no idea. they were young, but not so young that they could not have serious health problems

[polskboy]

Wizard?

Wizard?

we got majors,wizards,generals and all the egos in the world over here.

[Fishhead]

SCORPIAN


In a 2-3 year timespan during the span you mentioned, KEN and I spoke 1-5 times per week by phone and everyday on the forum at TheRX...........


By the way, this part..........

One of the most pathetic examples of drinking involved betting over a hundred thousand dollars on three different occasions on Sports teams I knew little about. In fact, the only time I WON was gambling on game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals two years ago. I never even bet Hockey before!. One prominent sports book could discern I was "toasted." He called someone else to tell them about it and asked if he should book the bet.

THE SHRINK told me he had made this bet solely because of my complete confidence in touting that game as a winner, something I did not know until after the game was over when we discussed it on the phone together for several, several minutes...........IN THE PROCESS, KENNY ACTUALLY CALLED THE SPORTSBOOKS HE MADE THE BETS AT WHILE I WAS ON THE LINE WITH HIM TO CONFIRM HIS LARGE WAGERS THAT HE PLACED AND WON.

The game was game 7 of the 2004 Stanley Cup Finals..........when TAMPA defeated CALGARY.

Now you know a tad more of the rest of the story.........

KEN was/is a very cool guy in so many respects........just a shady businessman, something many successful businessmen are unfortanutely.

[pokernut9999]

Guys for the 11th time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your fukkin watching too much TV

Guys that testify in huge drug and organize crime cases do not fake their own deaths

Common now your acting like children

They are children

[hoopster42]

Guys that testify in huge drug and organize crime cases do not fake their own deaths

maybe FISHY thinks there's some other reason they are "in hiding" or "disappeared"?

why fishy? why did they disappear?

[Al Masters]

JJ,i see Russ was looking for you last year, did you ever call him.

Very funny thread.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/private-zone/168068-jjgold-pick-up.html

[Fishhead]

SCORPIAN


In a 2-3 year timespan during the span you mentioned, KEN and I spoke 1-5 times per week by phone and everyday on the forum at TheRX...........


By the way, this part..........

One of the most pathetic examples of drinking involved betting over a hundred thousand dollars on three different occasions on Sports teams I knew little about. In fact, the only time I WON was gambling on game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals two years ago. I never even bet Hockey before!. One prominent sports book could discern I was "toasted." He called someone else to tell them about it and asked if he should book the bet.

THE SHRINK told me he had made this bet solely because of my complete confidence in touting that game as a winner, something I did not know until after the game was over when we discussed it on the phone together for several, several minutes...........IN THE PROCESS, KENNY ACTUALLY CALLED THE SPORTSBOOKS HE MADE THE BETS AT WHILE I WAS ON THE LINE WITH HIM TO CONFIRM HIS LARGE WAGERS THAT HE PLACED AND WON.

The game was game 7 of the 2004 Stanley Cup Finals..........when TAMPA defeated CALGARY.

Now you know a tad more of the rest of the story.........

KEN was/is a very cool guy in so many respects........just a shady businessman, something many successful businessmen are unfortanutely.

Here here is one thread during that time where I'm joking with SHRINK when he was on the verge of taking CALGARY(posts 8 and 9)............glad I got him on the other side.

http://therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=188625&highlight=CALGARY

And here is yours truly starting a sarcastic thread that TB is going to win the game by a score of 8-1..........with shrink wanting to take +3.5 goals with me. This again was but one example that day of apparrently having him change his side to the winning TB side.

http://therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=188649&highlight=CALGARY

I loved TB in that game after the line had been bet down so much.

[hoopster42]

Fishy, please answer the question. WHY do you think they are alive AND in hiding? what are they running from or afraid of?

[hoopster42]

Fishy, congrats on gm 7 stanley cup finals win but EVERYONE knows it's the home team or no play. Now, please answer my question in the post right above

[hoopster42]

Appears to me she is only reporting WHAT SHE WAS TOLD...........she has no reason to believe anything otherwise.

so the police lied to her about their investigation of the double suicide? they found NO BODIES but are calling it a double-suicide? the police are in on this, too?

[jjgold]

Here here is one thread during that time where I'm joking with SHRINK when he was on the verge of taking CALGARY(posts 8 and 9)............glad I got him on the other side.

http://therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=188625&highlight=CALGARY

And here is yours truly starting a sarcastic thread that TB is going to win the game by a score of 8-1..........with shrink wanting to take +3.5 goals with me. This again was but one example that day of apparrently having him change his side to the winning TB side.

http://therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=188649&highlight=CALGARY

I loved TB in that game after the line had been bet down so much.

Fishhead were a betting partner with Shrink back in the old days?? It seems he confided in you and trusted your opinions.

[Fishhead]

Fishy, please answer the question. WHY do you think they are alive AND in hiding? what are they running from or afraid of?

There are at least a couple scenarios ..........I'm sure your smart enough to think of at least ONE.

If not, perhaps DOGBALL can enlighten you.

[Fishhead]

Fishhead were a betting partner with Shrink back in the old days?? It seems he confided in you and trusted your opinions.

No

However, on more then one occassion we each convinced the other of betting on a particular game.........SHRINK was great on giving me games where the line would move, and this is something that was right up my alley.


As I stated, Ken was a very cool guy in so many respects........and also a guy that almost always made me laugh when we spoke(and not at him, but with him).

[hoopster42]

my theory based on everything i've read on message boards, and my FINAL thought on the matter:

the Shrink was a degenerate bettor just like the majority of sports bettors are. he lost a lot more money than he ever made and in the end, he owed way too much money to way too many people/books and could NEVER pay it all off, had no equity in his home and NO OTHER real assets and knew EOG was not worth much, so instead of having to accept a "poor" living lifestyle and lose whatever he had, he convinced his wife (who was probably not willing to live poor either) that this was the only way to go. my suspicions are that he thought of suicide many many times over the yrs. his "money talks" win in vegas was just one lucky run but at the end of the day he was a losing bettor who had a serious gambling problem. instead of using only cash to bet he bet on CREDIT for many many yrs and the balance owed kept growing. he kept chasing and chasing and the debt kept growing and growing. in the end, the Shrink was no different than your average every day losing gambler. he just lost much BIGGER than the avg gambler because books were willing to extend him credit. the only other difference was that he had a name because of what he did as a pioneer w/sports gambling message boards. besides those 2 things, he was just a degenerate losing gambler and his ending is very sad. people should learn from this. i know i have.

the end.

[Slim]

I like the Major because he tells the truth. He doesn't bullshit like all the other people saying he was a good guy and all that nonsense.