I think UFC is the NEW Nascar

[Tree Rollins]

Listen, burt, i'm a peaceful guy, but i really don't like your face.

[BurtRapp]

Tree I'm not an internet tough guy. You can come thru to the hood and we can handle how much you don't like my face in person other than that I don't have time for fake internet fights son. Peace. 4518 S. Sacramento, Chicago IL 60632. Brighton park neighborhood. South Side of Chicago. they don't have UFC fighters out here just Satan Disciples and latin Kings.

[JohnGalt2341]

Tree I'm not an internet tough guy. You can come thru to the hood and we can handle how much you don't like my face in person other than that I don't have time for fake internet fights son. Peace. 4518 S. Sacramento, Chicago IL 60632. Brighton park neighborhood. South Side of Chicago. they don't have UFC fighters out here just Satan Disciples and latin Kings.

Is that anywhere near Shermer Illinois? Seriously though, what are your thoughts on James Toney signing with the UFC? How do you think he will do? Would you AT LEAST watch him fight? Toney vs Kimbo would be more entertaining than 99% of all Boxing matches in recent years.

[JuicedUp]

Tree I'm not an internet tough guy. You can come thru to the hood and we can handle how much you don't like my face in person other than that I don't have time for fake internet fights son. Peace. 4518 S. Sacramento, Chicago IL 60632. Brighton park neighborhood. South Side of Chicago. they don't have UFC fighters out here just Satan Disciples and latin Kings.

First you say you are not an internet tough guy and in the same breath act like an internet tough guy by dropping a couple of gang names. Look just because you watched Gangland on the history channel a couple of times doesn't mean you can start claiming those sets. What a clown.

We are all very scared....

[betyuda]

I will have to agree with bigmikesm here. I live in japan and it is true that mma still draws a good crowd. Last years dynamite mma event sold over 25,000 tickets, and most dream events in japan bring in 10,000-20,000 people. Even the smaller promotional companies like sengoku manage between 10,000 to 18,000. Its not a fluke though that several years ago, ufc was broke, and now its networth is over a billion dollars. Nor is it a fluke that so many professional boxers, wrestlers, and even football players are trying to become mma fighters.MMA is very much here to stay.

[Jaug]

UFC is much more interesting than boxing. Simply because they don't just stand there hammering each other for 2 hours. Most boxing i've seen they are not even close to knocking each other out but the fights go on forever, soooo boring.

[illmatick]

Listen, burt, i'm a peaceful guy, but i really don't like your face.

[JoshW]

I still enjoy UFC and feel I always will, but as with anything, sometimes the newness wears off of me and after a decade of following it, I feel a little burnt out on it.

Right now my list of favorite sports is:

College Football
NFL Football
Boxing
MMA
College Basketball
Soccer

Everything else is way down below that.

I will say the overall quality of MMA is much better than boxing. But I will still take a good boxing match over a good MMA fight. You just don't get as much of good boxing.

[Tree Rollins]

Tree I'm not an internet tough guy. You can come thru to the hood and we can handle how much you don't like my face in person other than that I don't have time for fake internet fights son. Peace. 4518 S. Sacramento, Chicago IL 60632. Brighton park neighborhood. South Side of Chicago. they don't have UFC fighters out here just Satan Disciples and latin Kings.

Yeah Burt, you aren't trying to be an internet tough guy, that's obvious from your post. Also, your name is Burt. There is no such thing as a tough guy named Burt.

So bascially, your name is Burt. and you have a really annoying face. If you could change your avatar and change your name, that would be awesome. Thanks.

[Tree Rollins]

Tree I'm not an internet tough guy. You can come thru to the hood and we can handle how much you don't like my face in person other than that I don't have time for fake internet fights son. Peace. 4518 S. Sacramento, Chicago IL 60632. Brighton park neighborhood. South Side of Chicago. they don't have UFC fighters out here just Satan Disciples and latin Kings.

Please stop claiming to live in the hood and be a hard ass gangster. Your name is Burt. and form the looks of your face the only hood you've ever seen is a long white one.

[squallsquall]

It is pretty popular but will fall very quickly just like Nascar. Nascar was on top for a long time. Money flowing and many sponsors.

Your point being what?

Since Nascar was on top and then failed, UFC must fail too because it's on top now?

What are the similarities exactly?

[illmatick]

poor burtrapp didn't know his thread would get linked to the mma forum

its getting real ugly in here for you pal, as a huge fan of both sports mma has only begun to scratch the surface, only reason for the drop in ppv numbers is because of the injuries since ufc 100, those of us who know Dana's product realize the best is yet to come

[Tree Rollins]

Tree I'm not an internet tough guy. You can come thru to the hood and we can handle how much you don't like my face in person other than that I don't have time for fake internet fights son. Peace. 4518 S. Sacramento, Chicago IL 60632. Brighton park neighborhood. South Side of Chicago. they don't have UFC fighters out here just Satan Disciples and latin Kings.

So you live in the Orejel household with Pablo and Enrique Orejel? Pablo is 61, so if you live in this house, you either live with your granddaddy or your daddy. Why don't you man up and get out of daddy's house and stop giving out his address.

[babyanni]

Listen, burt, i'm a peaceful guy, but i really don't like your face.

lolz:lmao

[sharpcat]

I gotta side with boxing on this one these guys in boxing have trained to box their entire lifes and have fought damn near 100 fights in their life to get where they are at. MMA fighterst train to fight for 3 years get a couple of wins and next thing you know are fighting for a UFC title, and than 2 years later you never hear about 95% of them again.

I am not saying that MMA is not entertaining (except for when they roll around on the ground for 5 minutes) but just that its a one hit wonder sport a few big punches and your the man and as fast as the fighters come they come they disappear. I just feel that boxings selection process singles out far more superior athletes, fighters who go undefeated for 30+ fight not even counting their amateur records.

[Tree Rollins]

I gotta side with boxing on this one these guys in boxing have trained to box their entire lifes and have fought damn near 100 fights in their life to get where they are at. MMA fighterst train to fight for 3 years get a couple of wins and next thing you know are fighting for a UFC title, and than 2 years later you never hear about 95% of them again.

I am not saying that MMA is not entertaining (except for when they roll around on the ground for 5 minutes) but just that its a one hit wonder sport a few big punches and your the man and as fast as the fighters come they come they disappear. I just feel that boxings selection process singles out far more superior athletes, fighters who go undefeated for 30+ fight not even counting their amateur records.

Boxing is notorious for babying prospects along and giving them dozens of fluff fights before they actually fight a contender. That doesn't happen in the ufc. Look at Brock Lesnar, he faced a former World Champion in his 2nd mma fight EVER. and his first fight in the ufc.

As far as forrest griffin, you don't have a clue how much time he spent training or what he did before he got on "the ultimate fighter" and made it to the ufc. Just because you first heard of forrest 3 years ago doesn't mean that he has only been training for 3 years. I guess fighters don't actually exist until you hear about them. what kind of logic is that? Forrest actually had his first professional fight in 2001, and had been training for years before that.

[sharpcat]

Boxing is notorious for babying prospects along and giving them dozens of fluff fights before they actually fight a contender. That doesn't happen in the ufc. Look at Brock Lesnar, he faced a former World Champion in his 2nd mma fight EVER. and his first fight in the ufc.

As far as forrest griffin, you don't have a clue how much time he spent training or what he did before he got on "the ultimate fighter" and made it to the ufc. Just because you first heard of forrest 3 years ago doesn't mean that he has only been training for 3 years. I guess fighters don't actually exist until you hear about them. what kind of logic is that? Forrest actually had his first professional fight in 2001, and had been training for years before that.

Everybody knows that brock lesnar got a free walk into the UFC because of his celebrity status and the same with kimbo slice. And Griffin trained for 5 years prior to "the ultimate fighter" and now holds a professional record of 17-6.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forrest_Griffin

I challenge you to name 1 Professional boxer who was awarded a championship match with less than 20 fights both amateur and professional.

I did not come here and quote one of your posts to argue why your opinion is wrong, I was simply stating my opinion!!!!!!!!

[sharpcat]

Furthermore Griffin has a professional record of 17-6, Mike Tyson had a professional record of 50-6-2.

Clearly you can see the difference here if I told you I hit 74% of my sports picks out of 23 would you be as impressed as if I told you I hit 89% out of 56, obviously you would agree that the larger win % on a much larger sample size holds far more value.

[Tree Rollins]

Furthermore Griffin has a professional record of 17-6, Mike Tyson had a professional record of 50-6-2.

Clearly you can see the difference here if I told you I hit 74% of my sports picks out of 23 would you be as impressed as if I told you I hit 89% out of 56, obviously you would agree that the larger win % on a much larger sample side holds far more value.

I've watched every single Mike Tyson fight. Mike's handlers had him fight very low-level guys in the beginning. He fought 15 guys in his first year of professional fighting. That's right, 15. Not one of them had a chance in hell of winning, and his management basically admitted that openly. They were tuning him up and getting him ready for a title run years down the road. I'm sorry man, but you flat out don't know what you're talking about. You clearly have no clue about Mike Tyson and his career, I would appreciate it if you never speak of him again.

[JohnGalt2341]

MMA fighters train to fight for 3 years get a couple of wins and next thing you know are fighting for a UFC title,

Please name an MMA fighter that trained for 3 years and got a UFC title shot. And don't say Brock Lesnar because he wrestled(not counting pro) for a hell of a lot longer than 3 years before he ever got into MMA and as you may or may not know wrestling is a solid foundation for MMA. So every year he wrestled was a year of training for MMA.

As far as Boxers going undefeated for 30+ fights vs MMA guys going undefeated you are correct. There are however a couple of reasons for that. #1 In MMA there are SO many different ways to win or lose that it's nearly impossible for any individual fighter to be the best at all the disciplines. Along with that, it's very difficult to make every fighter you face play into your gameplan every single fight. Where as in Boxing is much easier. #2 99% of all Boxers that win their first 30 fights fought 95% cans. In MMA that's not the case. Most of the major MMA organizations do a pretty decent job of matching up fighters fairly equally. In Boxing it's a fricken miracle to see the best 2 guys at any weight class fight each other. In MMA it happens several times a year. Am I wrong?

[Tree Rollins]

Everybody knows that brock lesnar got a free walk into the UFC because of his celebrity status and the same with kimbo slice. And Griffin trained for 5 years prior to "the ultimate fighter" and now holds a professional record of 17-6.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forrest_Griffin

I challenge you to name 1 Professional boxer who was awarded a championship match with less than 20 fights both amateur and professional.

I did not come here and quote one of your posts to argue why your opinion is wrong, I was simply stating my opinion!!!!!!!!

Yeah, you keep telling yourself Brock Lesnar has no talent and there was no justification for him fighting against top fighters. The guy was at one time the best or 2nd best heavyweight wrestler in the nation. He had credentials.

[sharpcat]

Mike Tyson started training to box when he was 13 years old, and try to discredit all of his fight as much as you want no matter how good the fighters he fought were he won 26 of his first 28 fights by KO, 16 in the first round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Floyd mayweather amateur record 84-6, professional record 40-0!!!!!!!!! 95% wins

Bernard Hopkins 50-5!!!!!!!!!!! 90% wins Pro

Roy Jones Jr. 54-6 90% wins Pro

Arturro Gatti 40-9 81% wins Pro

Chavez 107-6 94% wins Pro

Trinidad 42-3 93% wins Pro

All of these fighters have fought 50 fights or better and have won well over 80% of them, Griffin has fought 23 fights and only won 74%!!!!!!!!!

this is not even close!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sharpcat]

Yeah, you keep telling yourself Brock Lesnar has no talent and there was no justification for him fighting against top fighters. The guy was at one time the best or 2nd best heavyweight wrestler in the nation. He had credentials.

Looked to me like he got his ass handed to him in his first fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sharpcat]

not to mention he has only fought 5 fights so that is just an idiotic statement,

[sharpcat]

I am not bragging so much about the fighters records but about proving that a fighter deserves to be where he is at!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BurtRapp]

Sharp did you see that interview over the phone of Floyd by RA the rugged man??? You tube it. Great Interview.

[sharpcat]

Sharp did you see that interview over the phone of Floyd by RA the rugged man??? You tube it. Great Interview.

I'll check that out

[sharpcat]

lol........freaking lessnar losses his first fight and than wins his next 2 and is awarded a championship match what a joke. but he is the greatest UFC fighter ever..........

[sharpcat]

Lol........classic Floyd what a chump

[JohnGalt2341]

lol........freaking lessnar losses his first fight and than wins his next 2 and is awarded a championship match what a joke. but he is the greatest UFC fighter ever..........

Couple of things here, first off Brock is nowhere near the greatest UFC fighter ever, certainly not pound for pound or any weight class for that matter. 2nd, when you are the Collegiate National Wrestling Champion that speaks volumes. He was the best in the country. That's not easy task. Wrestling/JuJitsu is an incredibly important part of MMA. If you're not REALLY good at either Wrestling or JuJitsu your chances of being successful in MMA are very slim. Brock got his MMA opportunities because of his wrestling(amateur) credentials. Brock getting huge opportunities in the UFC is no different than Lebron James who never played college ball getting a huge opportunity in the NBA.

[sharpcat]

Couple of things here, first off Brock is nowhere near the greatest UFC fighter ever, certainly not pound for pound or any weight class for that matter. 2nd, when you are the Collegiate National Wrestling Champion that speaks volumes. He was the best in the country. That's not easy task. Wrestling/JuJitsu is an incredibly important part of MMA. If you're not REALLY good at either Wrestling or JuJitsu your chances of being successful in MMA are very slim. Brock got his MMA opportunities because of his wrestling(amateur) credentials. Brock getting huge opportunities in the UFC is no different than Lebron James who never played college ball getting a huge opportunity in the NBA.

Yeah and like Danica Patrick driving stock cars and getting all kinds of commercial deals because she is the most qualified driver out there.

No lebron james coming out of high school going to the awful cleavland cavaliers and getting the start is no where close to somebody entering a championship ring and getting a title shot after 3 fights, 1 loss, 1 win over a chump opponent who he fought because his original opponent missed the fight for an injury and one fight against a has been!!!!!! Not even close, and should never happen in a professional league!!!!!!!!! if I was an up and coming fighter who had fought 15 fights I would be livid to see that WWE horse shit go down. Hey but than again he was the 3 time WWE world champ.........

Try again.

[JohnGalt2341]

Yeah and like Danica Patrick driving stock cars and getting all kinds of commercial deals because she is the most qualified driver out there. No lebron james coming out of high school going to the awful cleavland cavaliers and getting the start is no where close to somebody entering a championship ring and getting a title shot after 3 fights, 1 loss, 1 win over a chump opponent who he fought because his original opponent missed the fight for an injury and one fight against a has been!!!!!! Not even close, and should never happen in a professional league!!!!!!!!! if I was an up and coming fighter who had fought 15 fights I would be livid to see that WWE horse shit go down. Hey but than again he was the 3 time WWE world champ......... Try again.

Here's the thing, I don't even like Brock. In fact, every time he fights I am rooting against him. EVERY TIME! However, he was a National Champion in Wrestling in College. Do you know how hard that is to accomplish? He was the BEST IN THE COUNTRY. You seem to be ignoring this fact over and over again. I could give a rats ass what he did in the WWE. Anyone who was a Collegiate National Wrestling champion would beat any Boxer who holds the title in an MMA match. What does Mayweather fight at? 140ish? You take the current Collegiate National Wrestling Champion at the same weight and you put him in an MMA match with Mayweather and the Wrestler would have Mayweather tapping out inside of 1 round.

[sharpcat]

Kurt angle was an olympic champion wrestler is he gonna be fighting for a title next?????

True any wrestler could beat a boxer on the ground but not a single one of them could stand up like a man to them!!!!!!! what would people rather watch 2 men stand up and duke it out or 2 men roll around on the ground half naked???? every time I go to watch a UFC PPV every body is hooting and hollering and than as soon as the guys end up on the ground its snack time, nobody cares to watch that part of UFC.

I admit I find UFC entertaining but its not a respected olympic sport where guys earn their way to the top it is more of a mix between boxing and WWE and it is not about putting the 2 best fighters in the world against each other it is about entertainment, who do the people want to see fight???? well these 2 guys both made their opponents bleed last time so that is our championship match.

UFC is great and entertaining but is no where near as professional as boxing, it is a crap shoot get caught in one arm bar and you lose and for this it is foolish to bet on this sport unless you are getting a -110 line. A record of 8-3 is to small of a sample size to decide if a fighter is great and deserves a title shot.

Mike Tyson won 26 of his first 28 pro fights by KO/TKO 28-0 16 of them in the first round and did not get a title shot till his 28th fight where he won the championship by knocking the world champ Trevor Berbick down 3 times with 1 freaking punch in the second round and it took him 27 fights not counting his olympic and amateur fights before he got a title shot. You tube that if you want to see impressive!!!!!

[sharpcat]

or if you wanna see in my opinion one of the greatest boxers of all time in one of the greatest fights ever youtube Melbrick taylor vs. Julio Ceasr Chavez. Melbrick taylor had the fastest hands of any boxer I have ever seen in my life and landed on average 3 punches to every 1 chavez punch had the fight one and got KO with 3 seconds left in the fight and suffered severe head trauma and was never the same again after that.

[smarmy]

MMA hasn't peaked yet. I don't think enough people really appreciate the more technical aspect of it for it to keep growing at the pace that it has been, but NASCAR just plain sucks.