I think UFC is the NEW Nascar

[BurtRapp]

It is pretty popular but will fall very quickly just like Nascar. Nascar was on top for a long time. Money flowing and many sponsors.

Boxing will always be a constant that is why I don't buy into the UFC fad.

[teaserpleaser]

ufc is more then a fad

[Glitch]

fighting is the realest, rawest, oldest sport on the planet. ufc just helped organize it and got some sponsors. i love it and i dont think its going anywhere

[BurtRapp]

We will see. Too many leagues. Simple beefs with Dana White can turn big names away. Too WWE like where Mcmahaon is the Tyrant.

[flyingillini]

Not a chance, I am a huge supporter and have been to 15 live events. I have been to two Superbows, 2 final fours, 4 World Series and I will tell you that it is a very intense live crowd and second to none. It is here to stay you can guarantee it.

[BurtRapp]

PPV numbers are way down. The tell tail sign will be coming up here when pac-man fights. This will be a big PPV fight. I would like to see the numbers.

[flyingillini]

PPV numbers are way down. The tell tail sign will be coming up here when pac-man fights. This will be a big PPV fight. I would like to see the numbers.

Of course that the Pacman fight will have good numbers, you can't base it on that. The Ufc Is huge.

[BurtRapp]

Illini I respect your opinion and UFC is huge but I just contend that it has cooled off a little. Lesnar not fighting is a big deal. His illness tapered off popularity. Momentum was stopped a little. I am a distant follower but I can't name the big fighters on the circuit. I know Lesnar and I like Coulture a lot but he is 50 Years Old. Who is the big draw. I know Fedor won't fight on there.

[JohnGalt2341]

It is pretty popular but will fall very quickly just like Nascar. Nascar was on top for a long time. Money flowing and many sponsors. Boxing will always be a constant that is why I don't buy into the UFC fad.

You do realize that there are many more MMA organizations than just the UFC right? Many of the best fighters in the world don't even fight in the UFC. I could name 100 MMA fighters off of the top of my head that are very good, entertaining fighters that people want to see fight. Boxing has less than 10 fighters that bring in strong PPV numbers, probably less than 5. Granted, those are high profile fighters and they do indeed bring in big numbers. Once those fighters disappear Boxing will likely fade away. I can't name any new up and coming Boxers that people get excited about seeing. MMA has new exciting fighters on a constant basis. This is what will keep MMA alive. Don't get me wrong, I used to be a HUGE boxing fan in the 80's and even in the 90's. With the exception of a handful of fighters there is nothing about boxing that makes me want to watch it anymore.

[BurtRapp]

I can name many up and coming boxers but that is because I am a Boxing guy just as you know the up and coming MMA fighters because that is your thing. I guess to each his own. I just think Boxing is such a sweet science. I love seeing guys box in a ring. Sweat pea Whitaker - Iron Mike - pretty Boy Floyd - Roy in his Prime - Pac-Man - Irish mickey Ward - Gatti Fights - Bernard hopkins..

Boxing just is so real

[Naz18]

Boxing is where it's at, it's more of an art.

[bookie]

MMA is not a fad. I love boxing, but it's shot itself in the foot too often. Say what you what you will about Dana he runs a tight ship that offers competitive fights with compelling personal and styles-make-fights story lines. The cards are frequent, without over-saturating the market. Also for the past few years a significant number of little boys have grown up watching UFC with their dads, way more than watch boxing when you add up all the numbers. And in the U.S. high school wrestling is still a big sport, and all those kids have the basis for a sophisticated understanding of MMA techniques and form another constituency. I got to the party late, but the future belongs to MMA.

[bookie]

Boxing is where it's at, it's more of an art.

That is an astonishing thing to say. I suppose maybe you could make an argument that boxing is more cereberal, that is, that executing a plan is more important in boxing. Maybe you can make that argument, and it wouldn't be stupid although it might not be right.

But an art? How do you define that? I would define it as something that you have to work at in order to learn how to do. So boxing is an art, but MMA is at least as much a one. Maybe more. Because MMA requires an enormous amount of practical understanding of not only your most preferred style but also of your biggest weakness. MMA guys spend far more time in the gym because the preparation is so much more complex, and the endurance aspects are more important.

[BurtRapp]

I don't think MMA can ever approach the Boxing numbers. First of all High-School wrestling is not popular. UFC and MMA in general just doesn't bring in the Hispanic draw. The only country that it does well in is Brazil. I can promise you in this country where Mexican's are becoming the majority BOXING will always be king.
I love the clash of races and intense feelings about it that boxing brings. mexican vs. PR fighters - White vs. Black they are light side stories that make boxing what it is. Italian vs. Irish.
You can't create that in MMA. There are too many IOWA corn fed wrestlers. I don't enjoy watching greco-roman wrestling. Has to be the most boring thing in the world.
UFC = TOO WHITE. TOO Metalica. The phuckkin clothes they wear are ridicolous. It's just not tapping into the Hip Hop world enough.

To be a success in the UNITED STATES you need to be more Hip-Hop and more hispanic. MMA has not done that.

[36mafia]

just take a look at the mma/boxing sub forum. its dominated by ufc/mma topics.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/boxing-mma-ufc-betting/

[THEGREAT30]

UFC is a fad at best, good day

[MC PICKS]

With that mug burt I dont doubt one bit your a boxing guy. You probably got a pair of catchers mitts down at the end of your arms too bud. MMA is half amatuer grappling and half martial arts. Its a motherf**ker to throw fists and not get your head knocked off for 3 miutes at a shot with a minute break in between. Boxing is here to stay.

[goldengoat]

ufc has been in existance since like 1993 so it is not going away

it may fluctuate here and there but it ain't going anywhere

[JohnGalt2341]

UFC is a fad at best, good day

As is the internet and Cell Phones. I for one can't wait to go back to Rotary Phones.

[BurtRapp]

Boxing is too diverse and International to overtake. MMA is cool just not household names. The names I know are guys that are retired or about to be.

[WhatAboutMeBitch]

Boxing is too diverse and International to overtake. MMA is cool just not household names. The names I know are guys that are retired or about to be.

?????

just the opposite I think in reality

[BurtRapp]

What MMA names do guys like me that listen to Hip Hop and love the NBA and live in Major Cities where there is something to do every second know?
I know Chuck Lidell - Tito Ortiz - Brock Lesnar - Fedor - matt Hughes - rampage -

Shouldn't there be different and younger names I would know. I am a pretty typical AGE/Demographic

[WhatAboutMeBitch]

What MMA names do guys like me that listen to Hip Hop and love the NBA and live in Major Cities where there is something to do every second know?
I know Chuck Lidell - Tito Ortiz - Brock Lesnar - Fedor - matt Hughes - rampage -

Shouldn't there be different and younger names I would know. I am a pretty typical AGE/Demographic

I thought you lived in the "hood" or "ghetto" and that would make you very very atypical, in the internet sports world

[BurtRapp]

I live on the South Side of Chicago. Near US Cellular.

[WhatAboutMeBitch]

than you aren't the typical demographic

[BurtRapp]

That is a possibility. I kind of think Iowa - midwest. Slower areas. You are probably right.

[Educ8d Degener8]

What MMA names do guys like me that listen to Hip Hop and love the NBA and live in Major Cities where there is something to do every second know?
I know Chuck Lidell - Tito Ortiz - Brock Lesnar - Fedor - matt Hughes - rampage -

Shouldn't there be different and younger names I would know. I am a pretty typical AGE/Demographic

Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, Gegard Mousasi, Junior Dos Santos, Alistair Overeem, Jose Aldo, Urijah Faber, Melvin Manhoef, Paul Daley, Marius Zaromskis -- A mix of top shelf talent and exciting fighters for you.

And if you're "hip hop", you'll love King Mo Lawal, Brett Rogers, and Quinton "Rampage" Jackson...

[BurtRapp]

I have heard of Silva The others never heard of. Not trying to be a hater just discussing this.

[terpkeg]

What MMA names do guys like me that listen to Hip Hop and love the NBA and live in Major Cities where there is something to do every second know?
I know Chuck Lidell - Tito Ortiz - Brock Lesnar - Fedor - matt Hughes - rampage -

Shouldn't there be different and younger names I would know. I am a pretty typical AGE/Demographic

If these are the only fighters that you are familiar with, then you are simply not a fan of the sport. I am fairly certain casual fans of the sport can name many additional fighters including GSP, Penn, Anderson Silva, Machida, atleast the current UFC title holders.

Boxing is too diverse and International to overtake. MMA is cool just not household names. The names I know are guys that are retired or about to be.

The UFC's last event was in Sydney, Australia and drew about 18K fans. The UFC's April PPV is in Abu Dahbi. Big MMA shows in Japan still push 20K fans, I believe the NYE show hit almost 40K, but I could be mistaken.
Of the UFC titleholders, only two of the five are Americans and Penn is from Hawaii. I do not think diversity is an issue.

Yes, boxing is bigger with the hispanic population. But, that does not make MMA a fad.

It is pretty popular but will fall very quickly just like Nascar. Nascar was on top for a long time. Money flowing and many sponsors.

Boxing will always be a constant that is why I don't buy into the UFC fad.

I could be wrong here, but I would think Nascar, with prime slots on Network television, is a bigger draw than Boxing and a would not call Nascar diverse.

I don't think MMA can ever approach the Boxing numbers. First of all High-School wrestling is not popular. UFC and MMA in general just doesn't bring in the Hispanic draw. The only country that it does well in is Brazil. I can promise you in this country where Mexican's are becoming the majority BOXING will always be king.
I love the clash of races and intense feelings about it that boxing brings. mexican vs. PR fighters - White vs. Black they are light side stories that make boxing what it is. Italian vs. Irish.
You can't create that in MMA. There are too many IOWA corn fed wrestlers. I don't enjoy watching greco-roman wrestling. Has to be the most boring thing in the world.
UFC = TOO WHITE. TOO Metalica. The phuckkin clothes they wear are ridicolous. It's just not tapping into the Hip Hop world enough.

To be a success in the UNITED STATES you need to be more Hip-Hop and more hispanic. MMA has not done that.

The NFL is the most popular sport in this country by a long shot, and I do not see them attempting to be more hip hop or more hispanic. If anything, the NBA, which is struggling compared to past decades, is trying to shed the hip hop image. With the majority of the country, the hip hop image is associated with ignorant trash.

As for high school wrestling, it is very poular in many places. Where i grew up in New Jersey, our wrestling matches would attract thousands of people and sell out large gymnasiums.

You say the clothes "they" wear are ridicolous, I am not sure if you are talking about the fans or the fighters. But if you are talking about the fighters, nothing compares to a boxers entrance attire.

That is a possibility. I kind of think Iowa - midwest. Slower areas. You are probably right.

Not sure what you mean by "slower." If you are referring to intelligence, I was unaware the South Side of Chicago was known for their intellectuals. Anyway, last time I checked, the majority of UFC events are held in Las Vegas, California and New Jersey. I have no idea about the popularityof MMA in the midwest, but I know they are very successful when they come to the northeast.

I was a casual boxing fan throughout my youth and into college. However, I have been completely consumed by MMA since early 06. I fight the contrasting fighting styles fasinating. The beauty of MMA too me is the fact that you know so many of the up and coming fighters. I felt like you would buy a PPV boxing event strictly for the main event, if you were extremely lucky, you would know one guy on the undercard and he would usually be fighting a can. Maybe this was doue to the fact that I was not a big enough fan. But on MMA cards, you typically know 15-20 of the fighters well.

Hell, the UFC has PPV's were fighters which wer in the main event - co main event slot within the past year, are 4, 5 or 6 fights deep on the card. You get to see so many top level fights on an MMA card. Fighters arnt pampered the same way.

People call boxing the sweet science. In my opinion, BJJ is the sweet science. Boxing is not fighting, it is boxing. They shouldnt call it fight night, it is a match. In a fight you can hold, wrestle, implement measures to stop the opponent from hitting you.

I will also address the fact that people think MMA is too barbaric. In fact it is Boxing that is barbaric. Two guys stand in front of each other and punch each other, without being able to use all their available (reasonable) self defense resources. If they get hurt, the ref gives them 10 seconds to recover, just enough time so they can go on taking more trauma to the head. Then the round ends in a shorter 3 minutes, giving the half concussed person more time to recover and take more head trauma.

Is this really a science? More people have died due to boxing sustained injuries than people care to count anymore. There a virtually no deaths associated with MMA.

Anyway, i went off subject here. But figure I would address more of the boxing/mma debate.

IMO more and more wrestlers are going to see MMA as their professional outlet and you will continue to see more college educated, intelligent athletes in the sport. Boxing will continue to be a popular outlet for inner city and less fortunate youths and will continue to maintain a presense in the country. However, I believe the MMA fanbase is much younger and will continue to grow. Just because the UFC peaked with a few unusually high PPV events over the past year, does not mean that it is a fad.

[JohnGalt2341]

What MMA names do guys like me that listen to Hip Hop and love the NBA and live in Major Cities where there is something to do every second know? I know Chuck Lidell - Tito Ortiz - Brock Lesnar - Fedor - matt Hughes - rampage - Shouldn't there be different and younger names I would know. I am a pretty typical AGE/Demographic

You're not a fan of Kimbo Slice? Kimbo isn't the most skilled fighter but he's more exciting to watch than 99% of all boxers. By the way, there ARE many fighters, black, and Mexican that are coming into MMA that are REALLY, REALLY good and exciting fighters. You may or may not know about some of these guys but you probably will at some point in the future. Cain Velasquez(Mexican) is one of the best Heavyweights out there right now. He's extremely skilled and extremely exciting. He's a top 10 Heavyweight without a doubt. Jon Jones(major city, hip hop NBA etc) is probably my favorite up and coming 205lber right now. Remember his name. He's young, he's mature, and he's got everything it takes to be a World Champion and a household name, if not a legend in the sport. These are just a couple of fighters among many others. I agree with much of what you said in your previous posts but I truly believe that MMA is still growing at a very rapid pace. By the year 2015 I think even you will agree that MMA is one of the most popular sports on the planet. I don't see Boxing going in this direction anymore.

[JohnGalt2341]

Damn terpkeg! Nice post!!! I couldn't have said it better myself!

[WhatAboutMeBitch]

If these are the only fighters that you are familiar with, then you are simply not a fan of the sport. I am fairly certain casual fans of the sport can name many additional fighters including GSP, Penn, Anderson Silva, Machida, atleast the current UFC title holders.



The UFC's last event was in Sydney, Australia and drew about 18K fans. The UFC's April PPV is in Abu Dahbi. Big MMA shows in Japan still push 20K fans, I believe the NYE show hit almost 40K, but I could be mistaken.
Of the UFC titleholders, only two of the five are Americans and Penn is from Hawaii. I do not think diversity is an issue.

Yes, boxing is bigger with the hispanic population. But, that does not make MMA a fad.



I could be wrong here, but I would think Nascar, with prime slots on Network television, is a bigger draw than Boxing and a would not call Nascar diverse.



The NFL is the most popular sport in this country by a long shot, and I do not see them attempting to be more hip hop or more hispanic. If anything, the NBA, which is struggling compared to past decades, is trying to shed the hip hop image. With the majority of the country, the hip hop image is associated with ignorant trash.

As for high school wrestling, it is very poular in many places. Where i grew up in New Jersey, our wrestling matches would attract thousands of people and sell out large gymnasiums.

You say the clothes "they" wear are ridicolous, I am not sure if you are talking about the fans or the fighters. But if you are talking about the fighters, nothing compares to a boxers entrance attire.




Not sure what you mean by "slower." If you are referring to intelligence, I was unaware the South Side of Chicago was known for their intellectuals. Anyway, last time I checked, the majority of UFC events are held in Las Vegas, California and New Jersey. I have no idea about the popularityof MMA in the midwest, but I know they are very successful when they come to the northeast.

I was a casual boxing fan throughout my youth and into college. However, I have been completely consumed by MMA since early 06. I fight the contrasting fighting styles fasinating. The beauty of MMA too me is the fact that you know so many of the up and coming fighters. I felt like you would buy a PPV boxing event strictly for the main event, if you were extremely lucky, you would know one guy on the undercard and he would usually be fighting a can. Maybe this was doue to the fact that I was not a big enough fan. But on MMA cards, you typically know 15-20 of the fighters well.

Hell, the UFC has PPV's were fighters which wer in the main event - co main event slot within the past year, are 4, 5 or 6 fights deep on the card. You get to see so many top level fights on an MMA card. Fighters arnt pampered the same way.

People call boxing the sweet science. In my opinion, BJJ is the sweet science. Boxing is not fighting, it is boxing. They shouldnt call it fight night, it is a match. In a fight you can hold, wrestle, implement measures to stop the opponent from hitting you.

I will also address the fact that people think MMA is too barbaric. In fact it is Boxing that is barbaric. Two guys stand in front of each other and punch each other, without being able to use all their available (reasonable) self defense resources. If they get hurt, the ref gives them 10 seconds to recover, just enough time so they can go on taking more trauma to the head. Then the round ends in a shorter 3 minutes, giving the half concussed person more time to recover and take more head trauma.

Is this really a science? More people have died due to boxing sustained injuries than people care to count anymore. There a virtually no deaths associated with MMA.

Anyway, i went off subject here. But figure I would address more of the boxing/mma debate.

IMO more and more wrestlers are going to see MMA as their professional outlet and you will continue to see more college educated, intelligent athletes in the sport. Boxing will continue to be a popular outlet for inner city and less fortunate youths and will continue to maintain a presense in the country. However, I believe the MMA fanbase is much younger and will continue to grow. Just because the UFC peaked with a few unusually high PPV events over the past year, does not mean that it is a fad.

wow, great post. that should be the official close of this thread

[bookie]

I was a casual boxing fan throughout my youth and into college. However, I have been completely consumed by MMA since early 06. I fight the contrasting fighting styles fasinating. The beauty of MMA too me is the fact that you know so many of the up and coming fighters. I felt like you would buy a PPV boxing event strictly for the main event, if you were extremely lucky, you would know one guy on the undercard and he would usually be fighting a can. Maybe this was doue to the fact that I was not a big enough fan. But on MMA cards, you typically know 15-20 of the fighters well.

That is well said. It's hard to follow boxing as a sport because of how messed up all its governing bodies and multiple belts are. If you want to be a fan of the UFC you can watch Spike TV and watch replays to get a sense of guys career, and then watch PPV's and be involved in the whole card.

As for Hispanic people not being a part of MMA, that's not true. There are many, especially at the lighter weight classes. Miquel Torres and Dominc Cruz come to mind, but there are many on the rise who the most casual fan will come to know.

Finally I'll add that MMA is huge in Japan. The whole country watches it on New Year's Day--so it's very much a part of the culture. Muy Thai comes from Thailand, so it's not just Brazil that has contributed a style. So the idea that boxing is global and MMA is provincial is backwards.

[36mafia]

wow, great post. that should be the official close of this thread

no kidding.

[hoopster42]

It is pretty popular but will fall very quickly just like Nascar. Nascar was on top for a long time. Money flowing and many sponsors.

Boxing will always be a constant that is why I don't buy into the UFC fad.

agree completely. boxing is still where it's at