I think UFC is the NEW Nascar

[illmatick]

Kurt angle was an olympic champion wrestler is he gonna be fighting for a title next?????

True any wrestler could beat a boxer on the ground but not a single one of them could stand up like a man to them!!!!!!! what would people rather watch 2 men stand up and duke it out or 2 men roll around on the ground half naked???? every time I go to watch a UFC PPV every body is hooting and hollering and than as soon as the guys end up on the ground its snack time, nobody cares to watch that part of UFC.

I admit I find UFC entertaining but its not a respected olympic sport where guys earn their way to the top it is more of a mix between boxing and WWE and it is not about putting the 2 best fighters in the world against each other it is about entertainment, who do the people want to see fight???? well these 2 guys both made their opponents bleed last time so that is our championship match.

UFC is great and entertaining but is no where near as professional as boxing, it is a crap shoot get caught in one arm bar and you lose and for this it is foolish to bet on this sport unless you are getting a -110 line. A record of 8-3 is to small of a sample size to decide if a fighter is great and deserves a title shot.

Mike Tyson won 26 of his first 28 pro fights by KO/TKO 28-0 16 of them in the first round and did not get a title shot till his 28th fight where he won the championship by knocking the world champ Trevor Berbick down 3 times with 1 freaking punch in the second round and it took him 27 fights not counting his olympic and amateur fights before he got a title shot. You tube that if you want to see impressive!!!!!

you just lost all credibility with that statement, I guess its just a coincidence that most of the guys in the mma forum just happen to consistently turn a profit event after event

[sharpcat]

you just lost all credibility with that statement, I guess its just a coincidence that most of the guys in the mma forum just happen to consistently turn a profit event after event

what are you talking about most of the guys on this forum win money on every bet they make

[JohnGalt2341]

Don't need to YouTube any Tyson fights. I've seen them all. And most of them ARE damn impressive. I use to be a HUGE boxing fan believe it or not. But those days are over. The reason is, aside from Pac-Man and Mayweather and a handful of others there are hardly any fighters worth watching anymore. If you truly believe that MMA(or UFC as you put it) is a crap shoot my advice to you is to bet on ALL underdogs. If the fights are truly coin flips as you seem to think they are then could make a very nice living just betting on MMA underdogs. Btw, I should mention that I bet on more underdogs than favorites myself. However, knowing WHEN to bet on underdogs is the key. Also, when I'm watching an MMA fight I'm not thinking about them being half naked. It never even crosses my mind. If that's what you're focusing on then you are probably watching it for the wrong reasons. It's true, most people love seeing a stand up war in MMA, especially the uneducated fans. Which is what you'll mostly find at your local Hooters(I watch them there too, most people there don't even know who Fedor is). The more popular MMA becomes the more the ground game will become appreciated. I think most educated fans appreciate a good submission as much as a good knockout. I know I do. I admit there are some boring MMA fights but there are 10 times more boring boxing matches.

[sharpcat]

besides the UFC lost all credibility when they awarded Brock Lessnar a title shot after 1 year of training and 3 fights against nobodies, I don't care if he won or not he did not deserve that fight he did not earn that fight!!!!!!!!

[sharpcat]

Don't need to YouTube any Tyson fights. I've seen them all. And most of them ARE damn impressive. I use to be a HUGE boxing fan believe it or not. But those days are over. The reason is, aside from Pac-Man and Mayweather and a handful of others there are hardly any fighters worth watching anymore. If you truly believe that MMA(or UFC as you put it) is a crap shoot my advice to you is to bet on ALL underdogs. If the fights are truly coin flips as you seem to think they are then could make a very nice living just betting on MMA underdogs. Btw, I should mention that I bet on more underdogs than favorites myself. However, knowing WHEN to bet on underdogs is the key. Also, when I'm watching an MMA fight I'm not thinking about them being half naked. It never even crosses my mind. If that's what you're focusing on then you are probably watching it for the wrong reasons. It's true, most people love seeing a stand up war in MMA, especially the uneducated fans. Which is what you'll mostly find at your local Hooters(I watch them there too, most people there don't even know who Fedor is). The more popular MMA becomes the more the ground game will become appreciated. I think most educated fans appreciate a good submission as much as a good knockout. I know I do. I admit there are some boring MMA fights but there are 10 times more boring boxing matches.

One could easily argue that the WWE is more entertaining than the UFC but that is not my argument, if you read posts you would realize the I see UFC as entertainment but nothing more. It is not a professional sport it is entertainment you call me when Griffin or lidell get to a hundred fights and tell me what their win % is than.

UFC lost their chance to be professional when they gave an unproven fighter a title shot not because he earned it but for ratings, the same reason they tried to get mayweather to fight for ratings. UFS is whoring for ratings and ignoring the competitive nature of the sport.

The fact that I simply came to this thread and posted my side and you and Tree were so quick to argue with me about my opinion shows your insecurities in the sense that you know it is not the better sport therefore have a need to defend it. Not sure why me posting my opinion needs to get bombarded with responses to why I am wrong and you guys are right!!!!!!!

People have a right to have an opinion I accept the fact that you guys like UFC not sure why you guys felt the need to try and sway my opinion but you will not change my mind.

[JohnGalt2341]

Brock was no more an unproven fighter than Lebron was an unproven Basketball player. If you or any of your friends or anyone you have ever met is a Collegiate National Wrestling Champion then I will give you all of my SBR points and never post again and tell you that all of your statements are correct. Until then, you are EXTREMELY uneducated about MMA. By the way Fedor is my favorite fighter and he's never had a fight in the UFC. I'm not arguing for the UFC. I'm arguing for MMA. I used to love boxing. Now it sucks.

[sharpcat]

Brock was no more an unproven fighter than Lebron was an unproven Basketball player. If you or any of your friends or anyone you have ever met is a Collegiate National Wrestling Champion then I will give you all of my SBR points and never post again and tell you that all of your statements are correct. Until then, you are EXTREMELY uneducated about MMA. By the way Fedor is my favorite fighter and he's never had a fight in the UFC. I'm not arguing for the UFC. I'm arguing for MMA. I used to love boxing. Now it sucks.

I do not know a collegiate wrestler but I do know that there is a champion every year so does this mean that if you have not accomplished this goal as a ufc fighter than you will always be over looked for a championship match?????

To the best of my memory some nobody submitted Brock with an arm bar in his first fight and made him look like the amateur he was......BTW collegiate wrestlers do not use arm bars, leg locks, guilotines, etc. same principal totally different game.

You gotta pay the cost to be the boss and Brock did not pay his dues, more importantly he won all of his fights due to his shear size and strength and if you are such an educated fan you would know that he did not out wrestle anybody in any of his fights.

[illmatick]

I do not know a collegiate wrestler but I do know that there is a champion every year so does this mean that if you have not accomplished this goal as a ufc fighter than you will always be over looked for a championship match?????
you not
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To the best of my memory some nobody submitted Brock with an arm bar in his first fight and made him look like the amateur he was......BTW collegiate wrestlers do not use arm bars, leg locks, guilotines, etc. same principal totally different game.

You gotta pay the cost to be the boss and Brock did not pay his dues, more importantly he won all of his fights due to his shear size and strength and if you are such an educated fan you would know that he did not out wrestle anybody in any of his fights.

do you not know how easy it is to look this type of information up?

[sharpcat]

It's just different strokes for different folks man neither of us are going to change each others mind so we will just go ahead and say the 2 sports are equal!

[sharpcat]

do you not know how easy it is to look this type of information up?

Sorry my fault it was a knee bar that made the collegiate wrestler tap out

His second fight his opponent did back down and he fought a bum who had no time to prepare for the fight and I remember this one he damn near knocked the guy out cold and finished him off on the ground.

And than he fought an old washed up randy couture and won by TKO.

yep 2 wins 1 loss we got a championship contender already

Did you look it up?????

[Tree Rollins]

Sorry my fault it was a knee bar that made the collegiate wrestler tap out

His second fight his opponent did back down and he fought a bum who had no time to prepare for the fight and I remember this one he damn near knocked the guy out cold and finished him off on the ground.

And than he fought an old washed up randy couture and won by TKO.

yep 2 wins 1 loss we got a championship contender already

Did you look it up?????

Relax man. you've already lost. Take a deep breath and enjoy the rest of your night.

[terpkeg]

I gotta side with boxing on this one these guys in boxing have trained to box their entire lifes and have fought damn near 100 fights in their life to get where they are at. MMA fighterst train to fight for 3 years get a couple of wins and next thing you know are fighting for a UFC title, and than 2 years later you never hear about 95% of them again.

Boxers will fight well over 100 fights, when you include amateur fight, before getting his title shot in many instances. However, you cannot look at an MMA fighters 7-1 record the same way. A typical MMA fighter may have had up 100 collegiate wrestling matches, 50-100 Jiu Jitsu Fights and several amatuer MMA fights before he takes his first pro fight.

Im not really sure who you are talking about that you never here of again. Most of the MMA fighters that have came up in the past 5-7 years are still fighting. Yeah, some have faded, but that is because 1) the started fighting in the thirties, possibly after a full career in another combat sport such as International Wrestling, Greco Roman Wrestling or Kick Boxing; 2) It is much harder to protect your body training for MMA, especially in Jiu Jitsu and the amount of training related injuries far out number the boxing.

I am not saying that MMA is not entertaining (except for when they roll around on the ground for 5 minutes) but just that its a one hit wonder sport a few big punches and your the man and as fast as the fighters come they come they disappear. I just feel that boxings selection process singles out far more superior athletes, fighters who go undefeated for 30+ fight not even counting their amateur records.

If you dont like ground fighting, then maybe MMA is not for you. That is fine, you can hold that opinion. Many people do enjoy it. I think as people learn the intricrasies of BJJ, they really start to enjoy it more. It is a very sophisticated fighting style. There is a lot going on when they "roll on the gorund." But, it is not for everybody.

As for better athletes, not sure what basis you have to compare the two. They are just completely different sports. We have golden glove boxerswith wrestling backgrounds come in to my BJJ gym and when they start rolling, white belts are choking them out. But, if they sparred in a ring, the outcome would be different.

Fighters go 30-0 because they are pampered early in their careers. MMA fighters dont get sheltered the same way. That is just a fact, not an opinion.

Everybody knows that brock lesnar got a free walk into the UFC because of his celebrity status and the same with kimbo slice. And Griffin trained for 5 years prior to "the ultimate fighter" and now holds a professional record of 17-6.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forrest_Griffin

I challenge you to name 1 Professional boxer who was awarded a championship match with less than 20 fights both amateur and professional.

I did not come here and quote one of your posts to argue why your opinion is wrong, I was simply stating my opinion!!!!!!!!

Many people think that LEsnar and Griffin did not deserve their title shots. But in MMA, the best are always fighting the best,so fighters rack up losses faster.

Griffin fought Dan Severn in his MMA debut. He fought Jeff Monson, an ADCC champion a year into his pro career. You cannot make this comparison.

As for Lesner, this was clearly a ratings grab and it appeared to work. But, my understanding is the guy was one of the greatest collegiant wrestlers ever. He didnt just say, uh, I wanna cage fight. Wrestling is a component of MMA. Plus, he trained bjjand stand up for several years before fighting in the UFC.

And the guy is clearly a freak of nature. Didnt he make the Minnesota Vikings Practice Squad about 5 years ago. He hadnt played football since high school,if he became an All Pro would that be embarrasing? No. But he was a better fighter than football player. Honestly, I am not completely sold on the guy and think Carwin/Cain or MIr 111 will be tough fights for him.

Furthermore Griffin has a professional record of 17-6, Mike Tyson had a professional record of 50-6-2.

Clearly you can see the difference here if I told you I hit 74% of my sports picks out of 23 would you be as impressed as if I told you I hit 89% out of 56, obviously you would agree that the larger win % on a much larger sample size holds far more value.

MIke Tyson was one of the greatest boxers ever. Why even make that comparison.

That is like comparing Fedor to Bruce Seldon.

lol........freaking lessnar losses his first fight and than wins his next 2 and is awarded a championship match what a joke. but he is the greatest UFC fighter ever..........

If Lesner deserved the shot is debatable. I dont think he did but he made the most of it.

But, i mean, if you are coming off a loss, and decide to fight 6 cans with a combined record of 85-50, then you get a heavyweight title shot right. Or, is that just Brice Seldon. And, i am sure there are worse out there in boxing.
85-50.

Quantity over Quality, the boxing way clearly.

You can have your opinions, that is fine. You dont need to like it. You can love boxing. They dont ahve anything to do with MMA being a fad though.

[terpkeg]

Kurt angle was an olympic champion wrestler is he gonna be fighting for a title next?????

True any wrestler could beat a boxer on the ground but not a single one of them could stand up like a man to them!!!!!!! what would people rather watch 2 men stand up and duke it out or 2 men roll around on the ground half naked???? every time I go to watch a UFC PPV every body is hooting and hollering and than as soon as the guys end up on the ground its snack time, nobody cares to watch that part of UFC.

How does standing and fighting equal being a man? Most fights end up on the ground.

I admit I find UFC entertaining but its not a respected olympic sport where guys earn their way to the top it is more of a mix between boxing and WWE and it is not about putting the 2 best fighters in the world against each other it is about entertainment, who do the people want to see fight???? well these 2 guys both made their opponents bleed last time so that is our championship match.

Judo is an olympic sport, many Judo guys transition to MMA. Jiu Jitsu should be. The fact that the USA does not have a National BJJ Federation is one of the main problems holding it back.

All combat sports are about entertainment. When was the last time boxing put the two best in the sport against each other. PBF v, Paq anyone?

UFC is great and entertaining but is no where near as professional as boxing, it is a crap shoot get caught in one arm bar and you lose and for this it is foolish to bet on this sport unless you are getting a -110 line. A record of 8-3 is to small of a sample size to decide if a fighter is great and deserves a title shot.

This one takes the cake. Crap shoot to arm bar someone. It takes years of training to successfully pull of an armbar in an actual fight. Most mma upsets come when people are striking.

Mike Tyson won 26 of his first 28 pro fights by KO/TKO 28-0 16 of them in the first round and did not get a title shot till his 28th fight where he won the championship by knocking the world champ Trevor Berbick down 3 times with 1 freaking punch in the second round and it took him 27 fights not counting his olympic and amateur fights before he got a title shot. You tube that if you want to see impressive!!!!!

Mike Tyson was great.

[terpkeg]

It's just different strokes for different folks man neither of us are going to change each others mind so we will just go ahead and say the 2 sports are equal!

Exactly, but there is some real soft MMA lines out there imo and this is a gambling forum. Not up on the boxing. If you got some winners, fire away.

[sharpcat]

I think you guys are missing a key part of this

I never said I did not like MMA only said I prefer boxing because my opinion is it is a more professional sport with more proven opponents!!!!!!

You can verify this in post #85 followed by post #86 where Tree rollins came out and attacked "MY OPINION" and next thing you know I am arguing with a bunch of MMA groupies about 2 sports that I enjoy but simply "IN MY OPINION" prefer boxing of the 2.

And the Tyson comparison was only meant to show "MY OPINION" that impressively winning 27 fights without a loss is necessary before giving somebody a title shot, of course I would expect a UFC fighter to lose more fights than a boxer and also not to have as many fights but once you go "PRO" you should have at least ten solid fights before being considered the next big thing!!!!!!!!!!!! which UFC only cares to sell PPV tickets and not about finding the true best fighter.

I out for the evening boys so you will have to find somebody else to try to convert over to the UFC, I watch it but if I had to choose I am going with boxing and thats not gonna be changing.

[JohnGalt2341]

Once again, terpkeg makes the point much better than I ever could. Thanks!

[Tree Rollins]

I think you guys are missing a key part of this

I never said I did not like MMA only said I prefer boxing because my opinion is it is a more professional sport with more proven opponents!!!!!!

You can verify this in post #85 followed by post #86 where Tree rollins came out and attacked "MY OPINION" and next thing you know I am arguing with a bunch of MMA groupies about 2 sports that I enjoy but simply "IN MY OPINION" prefer boxing of the 2.

And the Tyson comparison was only meant to show "MY OPINION" that impressively winning 27 fights without a loss is necessary before giving somebody a title shot, of course I would expect a UFC fighter to lose more fights than a boxer and also not to have as many fights but once you go "PRO" you should have at least ten solid fights before being considered the next big thing!!!!!!!!!!!! which UFC only cares to sell PPV tickets and not about finding the true best fighter.

I out for the evening boys so you will have to find somebody else to try to convert over to the UFC, I watch it but if I had to choose I am going with boxing and thats not gonna be changing.

All i did was take parts of your opinion that were proven wrong by fact, and let you know about it. I wasn't trying to attack your opinion. you were trying to back up parts your opinion with facts that were untrue. I don't care what you like and what you don't like. I'm a fight fan and so are you. Best of luck to you man.

[Pride>UFC]

yeah because so many people care about boxing right? lol

[BigdaddyQH]

MMA is a joke. It is gaining in popularity with the goon platoon who follows it because boxing has become such a crooked sport that no one takes it seriously. If you guys get a kick out of watching Kurt Angle, Brock Lesner, and others kicking the crap out of each other, you lead very narrow lives. If you think that the MMA is as popular as NASCAR, you are totally out of your mind. But then again, I can understand that, because all of you wanna-be macho men out there are such big losers that you have nothing else to dream about. How many of you have had the caca kicked out of them at least once in your lives? Is that why you like MMA so much? Dreams of what could have been?

[illmatick]

MMA is a joke. It is gaining in popularity with the goon platoon who follows it because boxing has become such a crooked sport that no one takes it seriously. If you guys get a kick out of watching Kurt Angle, Brock Lesner, and others kicking the crap out of each other, you lead very narrow lives. If you think that the MMA is as popular as NASCAR, you are totally out of your mind. But then again, I can understand that, because all of you wanna-be macho men out there are such big losers that you have nothing else to dream about. How many of you have had the caca kicked out of them at least once in your lives? Is that why you like MMA so much? Dreams of what could have been?

this guy learned early on to grab life by the balls

[JohnGalt2341]

MMA is a joke. It is gaining in popularity with the goon platoon who follows it because boxing has become such a crooked sport that no one takes it seriously. If you guys get a kick out of watching Kurt Angle, Brock Lesner, and others kicking the crap out of each other, you lead very narrow lives.

Kurt Angle? Just how many MMA fights have you seen? Also, what is the Goon Platoon? Is that the name of your Pit Crew?

[Grandmaster B]

all it will take is one good heavyweight and boxing could go back on top...right now I say its about even

I do know for a fact though that guys in the UFC have taken dives before...I seen with my own eyes

nobody can defeat Klitschko...the last guy quit...so sad



Russia/Ukraine has a strangle hold on American boxing...Ironic isnt it?

[terpkeg]

MMA is a joke. It is gaining in popularity with the goon platoon who follows it because boxing has become such a crooked sport that no one takes it seriously. If you guys get a kick out of watching Kurt Angle, Brock Lesner, and others kicking the crap out of each other, you lead very narrow lives. If you think that the MMA is as popular as NASCAR, you are totally out of your mind. But then again, I can understand that, because all of you wanna-be macho men out there are such big losers that you have nothing else to dream about. How many of you have had the caca kicked out of them at least once in your lives? Is that why you like MMA so much? Dreams of what could have been?

Damn BigDaddy, someone piss in your Wheaties?

Speaking of wanna-be internet tough guys, a qoute from the Big Daddy just yesterday:

"I made a living out of putting assholes like you away. You think you are tough s**t boy? It would take me about 5 seconds to rap your a** around your shoulders. I've put hundreds of people like you away, one way or another. Bring it on boy. If not, take your trash talk to the gutter, where you and it belong. Don't give me any B.S. about the hood, Mr. Tough Guy. You think you are some big gangster? Hell, we have a whole cemetary full of you punks."

But, then again, obviously you have been backing this shit up all your years. I assume that you were involved in some form of law enforcement for your career which makes a statement like this all the more pathetic.

[Grandmaster B]

u mad bro?

[BurtRapp]

How come I haven't heard of one UFC event coming up? Where is the marketing. There are 300K tight shirt wearing Affliction puzzies that watch this stuff. Same phucks that talk about 1 on 1 fights and use the term "Real Men". UFC is great if you lead the most boring life in the world. If the wal-mart in your town is whats happening you probably like UFC. Iowa and Greco roman wrestling turn you on you probably like UFC.
Big Cities and places to be we prefer Mike Tyson and Steak Houses and whores and phuckkin all night underground poker games. It is a difference in lifestyle between UFC fans and Boxing guys.
NYC -Chicago - Vegas -That is Boxing
kentucky - Iowa - kansas - UFC
It's just how it is.

[Pride>UFC]

MMA is a joke. It is gaining in popularity with the goon platoon who follows it because boxing has become such a crooked sport that no one takes it seriously. If you guys get a kick out of watching Kurt Angle, Brock Lesner, and others kicking the crap out of each other, you lead very narrow lives. If you think that the MMA is as popular as NASCAR, you are totally out of your mind. But then again, I can understand that, because all of you wanna-be macho men out there are such big losers that you have nothing else to dream about. How many of you have had the caca kicked out of them at least once in your lives? Is that why you like MMA so much? Dreams of what could have been?

I train MMA and would kick ur ass but too bad ur just a fat boy in Chicago who eats bratwursts all day and gambles his life away

[Pride>UFC]

MMA is a joke. It is gaining in popularity with the goon platoon who follows it because boxing has become such a crooked sport that no one takes it seriously. If you guys get a kick out of watching Kurt Angle, Brock Lesner, and others kicking the crap out of each other, you lead very narrow lives. If you think that the MMA is as popular as NASCAR, you are totally out of your mind. But then again, I can understand that, because all of you wanna-be macho men out there are such big losers that you have nothing else to dream about. How many of you have had the caca kicked out of them at least once in your lives? Is that why you like MMA so much? Dreams of what could have been?

Bigdaddy threatened to put me in jail..he's just a fat boy who lives in his mom's basement...guess what fat boy? I'm still here...are you still working on getting me arrested? i'm right here pusy

[Grandmaster B]

ya..you mad

anyhow..who is this dude?

[JohnGalt2341]

Bodog's current odds of Pride>UFC vs BigdaddyQH are Pride>UFC -800 and BigdaddyQH +500. Place your bets now! I got my money on Pride>UFC. Predictions anyone?

[Tree Rollins]

Burt. You're a tough guy wanna be who gives out a fake address on the internet and tells people to come challenge you. You make me laugh.