Originally posted by nasaki
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Nasaki...click on your own posts...you are one of the top SBR bomb throwers there are...
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The IPCC's consensus "is at best peculiar if not outright false" according to IPCC lead author.Comment -
The facts are in. The data was falsified about global warming & Al Gore is nothing but a politician spewing propaganda.
The "inconvenient Truth" was also found to be full of fallacies in a London court.
The biggest scam in the history of the world. It almost succeeded.Comment -
Hi,
It is time to protect nature otherwise our survival will become difficult. Nature is a strict teacher if we will keep disobeying the law of nature and create imbalance in our environment we have to pay it in one form or other.
Regards,
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Think we can move most people living in NY, NJ, Pa, etc into the camp of skeptics.
And even some southerners, "By the way...record cold expected in the Southeast, including Florida, Monday AM:"
Keep the faith sheepComment -
Originally posted by statnerds
Great, another person that doesn't know the difference between weather and climate.
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What gets me about the vast majority of global warming proponents is that they seem to know nothing about the myriad of factors which heavily impact the earth which have nothing to do with chemicals being put into the atmosphere by man or natural forces (most of these people blame man for everything and ignore what nature does).
I will list just a few of these factors.
1. Earth's elliptical orbit. perihelion = 91 million miles, aphelion = 94.5 million miles
2. Precession - the earth wobbles as it spins, this wobble is completed every 23,000 years.
3. Tilt - earth's axis changes as it spins, over thousands of years the earth's axis moves significantly. The angle of the Earth's axis relative to the plane of its orbit changes about three degrees every 41,000 years.
4. Milankovitch Cycles - all of the first 3 effects cause changes in the amount of solar radiation that the earth receives. The combined impact of the first 3 effects cause cycles of global heating and global cooling. Nothing that man does can affect this.
There are another dozen or so factors that are significant. Sirius B affects Earth's climate. Understanding how this is possible requires extensive reading and research, I leave it to you to do that research. Some scientists think that the effect that Sirius B has on Earth's climate is the biggest factor of all the factors outside the Sun itself. I am not saying that they are correct, but it is an interesting theory.
I could go on discussing this for a few hundred pages, but it is obvious to me that man's is far down the list of climate factors.Comment -
that poll has to be one of the stupidest I've seen.Comment -
It's cold in December so global warming is a scam, thank goodness the collective voices of reason in here have saved us from communism once again.
Next liberal hoax to tackle: gravity! Get it boys!Comment -
What I want to know is what asshole has been driving his SUV around on Mars:
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Jupiter
A new storm and a new red spot on Jupiter hints at climate change, USA TODAY and dozens of other sources explained yesterday. The temperatures are expected to change by as much as 10 Fahrenheit degrees at different places of the globe. At least close to the new spot and to the equator, nothing less than global warming is expected.
New observations of Jupiter's climate change were released in 2008
Neptune
The climate of Neptune - more precisely its reflectivity - was recently changing. Lockwood and Hammel argue in Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 34 (2007) that the trends on Neptune reveal suggestive correlations of brightness of Neptune with the temperature trends on Earth, indicating their common solar origin - although I am not quite sure whether the sign is as expected.
Buy Czech President Václav Klaus' amazing book, "Blue Planet in Green Shackles".
Triton
Triton is Neptune's largest Moon. Some people believe that it used to be an asteroid. Global warming was detected on Triton. Between 1989 and 1998, the temperature jumped by 5 percent on the absolute (Kelvin) scale. The same relative increase would raise the Earth's temperature by 22 degrees Fahrenheit in 9 years. See thousands of other pages about the global warming on Triton.
Enceladus
Another moon of Saturn's, Enceladus, would be also expected to be frozen and cold. Suddenly, Cassini has informed us that Enceladus generates its own heat. Its high temperatures seem to be incompatible with calculations based on solar energy itself, according to existing models.
Saturn
Saturn itself has a rather warm southern pole, and the temperatures in that region suddenly jumped by 3-5 Kelvin degrees. Well, it's warm because it's been exposed to sunshine for quite some time but the magnitude of the temperature jumps is not trivial to calculate.
Pluto
What's going on with Pluto? Well, yes, your guess is right. There is global warming on Pluto. Pluto's atmospheric pressure has tripled in 14 years, and the associated increase of temperature is estimated to be around 3.5 Fahrenheit degrees, despite the motion of Pluto away from the Sun.
Mars
Of course, the global warming on Mars is a well-known story. Between 1975 and 2000, Mars warmed up by 0.65 Celsius degrees, much faster than Earth: see Nature 2007. The warming has been used by this blog to discover the Martians. More seriously, we have explained that the dramatic and speedy melting of the Martian icecaps is caused by the greenhouse effect. 95% of "their" atmosphere is made of carbon dioxide; that's slightly more than 0.038% of our atmosphere.
The warming trend on Mars is undeniable. Some people have tried to blame the global warming on NASA's rovers. Such accusations are pretty serious because NASA is already preparing plans to occupy Mars using the greenhouse effect.Comment -
I believe the weather has been crazy and I also believe its has nothing to do with humans. I just want to know how do we go from global cooling on the cover of time magazine 30 years ago to global warming today. Does not compute.Comment -
Originally posted by alling
I wasn't aware Time Magazine was a proponent of the scientific community.Comment -
Originally posted by Turd Ferguson
Somehow, someone will release a balloon and use it as proof gravity doesn't exist. It's about as rational as using weather to prove we aren't currently experiencing climate change.Comment -
pik-potsdam.de/news/press-releases/global-warming-could-cool-down-temperatures-in-winter
Global Warming could cool down temperatures in winter
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11/16/2010 – The overall warming of the earth's northern half could result in cold winters. The shrinking of sea-ice in the eastern Arctic causes some regional heating of the lower levels of air – which may lead to strong anomalies in atmospheric airstreams, triggering an overall cooling of the northern continents, a study recently published in the Journal of Geophysical Research shows. “These anomalies could triple the probability of cold winter extremes in Europe and northern Asia,” says Vladimir Petoukhov, lead author of the study and climate scientist at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research. “Recent severe winters like last year’s or the one of 2005-06 do not conflict with the global warming picture, but rather supplement it.”
Location of the Barents Sea. Source: NormanEinstein
The researchers base their assumptions on simulations with an elaborate computer model of general circulation, ECHAM5, focusing on the Barents-Kara Sea north of Norway and Russia where a drastic reduction of ice was observed in the cold European winter of 2005-06. Those surfaces of the sea lacking the ice cover lose a lot of warmth to the normally cold and windy arctic atmosphere. What the researchers did was to feed the computer with data, gradually reducing the sea ice cover in the eastern Arctic from 100 percent to 1 percent in order to analyse the relative sensitivity of wintertime atmospheric circulation.
“Our simulations reveal a rather pronounced nonlinear response of air temperatures and winds to the changes of sea-ice cover,” Petoukhov, a physicist, says. “It ranges from warming to cooling to warming again, as sea ice decreases.” An abrupt transition between different regimes of the atmospheric circulation in the sub-polar and polar regions may be very likely. Warming of the air over the Barents-Kara Sea seems to bring cold winter winds to Europe. “This is not what one would expect,” Petoukhov says. “Whoever thinks that the shrinking of some far away sea-ice won't bother him could be wrong. There are complex teleconnections in the climate system, and in the Barents-Kara Sea we might have discovered a powerful feedback mechanism.”
Other approaches to the issue of cold winters and global warming referring to reduced sun activity or most recently the gulf stream “tend to exaggerate the effects,” Petoukhov says. The correlation between these phenomena and cold winters is relatively weak, compared to the new findings referring to the processes in the Barents-Kara Sea. Petoukhov also points out that during the cold winter of 2005-06 with temperatures of ten degrees below the normal level in Siberia, no anomalies in the north Atlantic oscillation have been observed. These are fluctuations in the difference of atmospheric pressure between the Icelandic low and the Azores high which are commonly associated with temperature anomalies over Europe. But temperatures in the eastern arctic were up to 14 degrees above normal level. However, distinct anomalies in the north Atlantic oscillation could interact with sea-ice decrease, the study concludes. One could amplify the other and more anomalies would be the result.
Petoukhov’s study is not about tomorrow's weather forecast but about longtime probabilities of climate change. “I suppose nobody knows,” he says, “how harsh this year's winter will be.”
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I guess it's just a matter of cherry picking the explanations to match what ever current weather patterns are occurring:Originally posted by pavyracer
According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".
"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.
The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.Comment -
Was temperatures of like 60-65 degrees here in South Carolina during the afternoon in the entire month of November....
No legitimate scientist will ever tell you Global Warming doesn't exist........the debate is if it's man made or natural.Comment -
Anyone who debates the issue of whether the Earth warms and cools over time is an idiot. Of course it does this. Saying that the Earth does not warm and cool over time is akin to saying that the Sun does not rise and set.Originally posted by Naz18
The only thing that can be "debated" is whether or not humans are adding chemicals which are greatly accelerating or decelerating this warm up/cool down to such a degree that extreme harm is being caused. The idiots of course will argue that humans are doing that to such a degree that the existence of life on Earth is in doubt. The "evidence" that these idiots use is so laughable that I am surprised that they can even get anyone with any intelligence to debate them.Comment -
Originally posted by Naz18
The worst part are the people who don't think we are currently experiencing warming climate change at all, regardless of whether man contributes to it. Often by using random examples of weather. Quite scary to see such ignorance.Comment -
The only constant in global warming theory is carbon taxes. And while paying these taxes will do jack shit for the environment, they will fill the coffers of the global elites that concocted and implemented the scam.Comment -
you Americans are not yet hit with carbon taxes like some American Colonies in Europe are. In some European Colonies you can end up paying $3000 "poluttion tax" when buying a car...the older the car is, the more you pay...and of course, you won't pay taxes if you buy a new hybrid. Is a very clever way to force people into buying newer cars and exploit the ones who cannot afford one.
In the end the carbon tax meaning is to force people into buying new things so the big corporations will keep going...you will be forced every 5 years to buy a newer TV, refrigerator, washing machines..."Green Police" will "visit"every home and tax you for having older appliances in the name of Saving the Planet.Comment -
Not unless they have bigger guns than I have. Those hippie assholes aren't coming on my property. No ******* way.Originally posted by maersksealandComment -
If the above guys believe our climate is controlled by Sirius A, B or Neptune, you guys belong
in outer space. Curious's earth axis/ wobble would be more believable. The suns 11 year cycle
would be even more believable. So would the El-Nina or La-Nina weather patterns.
Looking at Los Angels 20 yrs ago compared to today, you can see what human effect had
on that city. So yes, humans do affect the climate around us.Comment -
Originally posted by rkelly110...please tell how people affect the climate ? why don't you tell new yorkers to start their cars to melt the snow ?
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When you compare Los Angeles weather 20 years ago to today are you talking about how this summer was one of the coolest summers on record, comparing to 1938, 1939, 1944, and 1976? So, are you saying that Los Angeles' climate is cooling? This drop in Los Angeles summer temperature has nothing to do with humans, it has instead to do with low pressure systems allowing colder air to drop into Los Angeles from further north.Originally posted by rkelly110
The Earth's climate is affected by Sirius B. The important cycles for the Earth's climate are the 41,000 year cycle in the tilt of the earth's axis and the 100,000 year cycle in the eccentricity of the orbit of the Earth around the Sun. The orbit either becomes flatter or more elongated. This flattening and elongation affects the climate.
The effect that human activity can have on the Earth's climate is minuscule compared to the effects of the Sun, the shape of the Earth's orbit around the sun, the tilt of the Earth's axis, radiation impacting Earth from Sirius B and other factors.
People who spout off this "humans are drastically affecting the earth's climate" nonsense need to stop spouting off and pick up some books and know what they are talking about the next time they spout off.Comment -
it doesnt matter
none of this bullshit matters. the simple fact is we are too dependent on oil and coal. its amazing to me that the U.S a country of "free men" would allow themselves to be controlled so easily. If the grid goes down, guess what? your ******. all your calls to independence were lost with your forefathers, the corporations of the world own your "american dream" now.Comment -
it's not impossible but it's no reason for a 'Carbon Tax'
This is the big thing the global government is going to try to slap on us, not cuz they give a shat about the environment, just because they need more private trains and helicopters...etc.
It's also no excuse for any sort of forced population control. Although having 4 kids if your house isn't paid off is kinda stupid.blog '09-'10: 37-16: +$31,900
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sbrblows, not everybody allows themselves to be enslaved so easily.. The feds don't allow you to grow your own food though, they destroy small farms... They make you.
Also, they don't allow you to be free, you get persecuted heavy for speaking out in America. Eventually you can't take the stalking and the torture.blog '09-'10: 37-16: +$31,900
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I love how the global warming psychos have altered their spin, since it is getting colder out they now say
there is a "climate shift"
thirty years ago these same wackos who lives depends on these grants said we are heading to next ice age soon, then we were going to boil from the sun baking us, now it is "climate shift."
this is the best spin yet, cause they can say ANY event is due to "climate shift", my hat is off to their spin doctors.Comment -
Burning a lot of shit cannot be good....just common sense, it's probably effecting something, worth a shot giving up greedy American habits then potentially destroying the earth.
Better be safe then sorry, unless your an oil company or a country like Iran you shouldn't really care about the small changes you have to make.Comment -
Whether you agree with man made global warming or not, anyone who thinks that the shit we've been pumping into the air and water over the last 100 years will have positive results listens to way too much radio that dishes out oil funded think tank talking points.Comment -
people makes money on this global warming shit, its a way to raise taxes and control the society.S Al gore has his agenda and his bank account is getting fat.trutv.com/video/conspiracy-theory/full-episodes/global-warming.htmlComment -
And you would have us use what instead to power our automobiles and heat our homes?Originally posted by sbrblowsComment -
So, what should we do instead? For powering automobiles for instance? Or for heating our homes?Originally posted by Naz18Comment -
And those of us who don't listen to the radio or watch TV news get our information where? Comic books?Originally posted by Turd FergusonComment -
The best way for the use of oil to be limited is to let the market take care of it. If the public is "gung-ho" about saving the environment, they'll decide to buy more of the green vehicles out there. I have no problem with cleaner technology. I would kind of like to power my car with a Mr. Fusion like they had in Back To The Future. The thing is you just can't cut oil and coal out to fix the problem. Not only do you have to integrate these new technologies into the system, but you have to make them affordable also. Its easy to say you want to save the world, but when it starts coming out of your own pocket significantly, it can change a lot of opinions quick.Comment
