Who still believes in Global Warming?

[rthoughton]

please watch this link. it is very funny. around the 3:45 mark is a good place to start if you are in a time crunch.

[rthoughton]

"whatever is happening right now....is the only thing that is happening. Ask any peek-a-boo-ologist."

[falconticket]

Earth temparatures are directly affected by solar activity. Which we cannot control. It is an up and down cycle indefinately. Remember the Coming ice age back in the 70s? Man cannot alter climate.

[losturmarbles]

If you are talking about Climategate, you are a little behind. Investigations showed no wrong doing. Pretty poor excuse to feign ignorance when I ask you a pretty basic question too.

Oh my bad. Their internal investigations cleared themselves. Didn't realize that. (Oops there I go feigning ignorance, again?)

Think again, No need to argue Climategate when you can quote public statements from lead authors and chairmen of the IPCC.


Richard Tol: "This assertion of the co-chair of Working Group III of the IPCC is at best peculiar if not outright false. In the following, I will back this statement in some detail, by demonstrating how specific conclusions from white publications, known to the IPCC lead authors, have been filtered out in support of a (false) claim of consensus in the Summary for Policymakers. At the time of his interview, Dr. Edenhofer was aware of these inconsistencies."


The Times of India
Question:
"Stifling politics out of science, does that make it devoid of its real social purpose?"

Pachauri, Chairman of IPCC
Answer:
"Let's face it, we are an intergovernmental body and our strength and acceptability of what we produce is largely because we are owned by governments. If that was not the case, then we would be like any other scientific body that maybe producing first-rate reports but don't see the light of the day because they don't matter in policy-making. Now clearly, if it's an inter-governmental body and we want governments' ownership of what we produce, obviously they will give us guidance of what direction to follow..."

Connect the dots.
Government creates fake problem: Global warming.
Government creates fake solution: Global taxes.

And you ignorant fukks cheer them on.

[pavyracer]

Global warming from carbon emissions is a fact. What people don't understand is the consequences of global warming. If it's too cold in the winter or too hot in the summer has nothing to do with global warming. The rising of the seas is the #1 effect of global warming.

[losturmarbles]

Global warming from carbon emissions is a fact.

proof?

[statnerds]

The funniest part, okay there are many, is that you are arguing that global warming exists and is man-made, while the people pushing the scam already changed the name to Climate Change.



Hope you also realize that your "hottest summer on record" relies on data taken from about 180 data points from the ~ 20,000 available. We call that cherry-picking data.

And I told you last February that it would be a real hot summer. Happens every time there is a strong El Nino in the winter.

[Chuck Sims]

"The rising of the seas is the #1 effect of global warming." True. But the seas are not rising.

If you don't believe me, ask Al Gore. He just bought a multi million dollar home on ocean front property.

Man made Global warming was the biggest fraud in the history of the world.

[losturmarbles]

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[losturmarbles]

Global warming from carbon emissions is a fact.

And you're married to Ms South Dakota.

Get the fuk outta here

[Richards]

There won't be any technology for operating automobiles at a "little higher price" for many years, if it ever happens. All of the alternatives have been analyzed from a cost perspective and none of them come close.

Unless someone discovers some totally new science or unless the US lifts the secrecy veils off of the NAZI technology that they stole at the end of WWII and then wrapped in secrecy its not happening in our lifetime.

One thing that would help a lot, if the US would allow the European diesel engine that runs most of the cars in Europe at >50 MPG to be sold in the US. Oh, I forgot the lobbyists keep our diesel fuel dirty so the EPA won't allow the diesel cars to be sold here.

Ok I should elaborate, a little higher price invested over a long period of time. I realize this won't happen tomorrow. I don't believe because something will be expensive or long term should be a good reason to throw up our hands. Of course it will be incremental. Hybrid cars are a tiny increment.

Totally agree with you on the diesel engine. There have been huge advances in auto engines in the past XX years and in many cases the advance can be applied toward more engine horsepower per size (power to weight) or higher efficiency (mpg). I don't think it's a stretch that 75% of the autos in the USA could trade off size and power for fuel economy and I'm guessing they would still fill the NEEDS of the user, i.e. jimmy would still get to soccer practice. The extra power and size of most autos in the USA fills the purpose of hedonism, not utility.

[Richards]

Earth temparatures are directly affected by solar activity. Which we cannot control. It is an up and down cycle indefinately. Remember the Coming ice age back in the 70s? Man cannot alter climate.

So you are contending that if humanity came together in a grand experiment to prove once and for all whether man can have any impact on climate, we simultaneously detonate the entire worlds nuclear arsenal, all ground bursts or just below ground level, that (ignoring radiation effects) next years crops would grow up just fine in the pristine sunlight of the unaffected climate?

[curious]

Totally agree with you on the diesel engine. There have been huge advances in auto engines in the past XX years and in many cases the advance can be applied toward more engine horsepower per size (power to weight) or higher efficiency (mpg). I don't think it's a stretch that 75% of the autos in the USA could trade off size and power for fuel economy and I'm guessing they would still fill the NEEDS of the user, i.e. jimmy would still get to soccer practice. The extra power and size of most autos in the USA fills the purpose of hedonism, not utility.

The European diesel engines are not low power, they are high power. If you go to Europe you should drive one of these cars. It is FUN.

The reason that the diesel is not big in the United States is our screwed up government. The trucking companies, oil companies, and US auto companies lobbied to keep diesel gas dirty and keep the taxes much higher on diesel than on unleaded gas. Gotta love our government.

If the environmental wackos really cared about our environment they would be lobbying to clean up our diesel fuel and change the regulations to allow the manufacture and sale of these engines that get >50 miles to the gallon in the United States.

But, they don't really care about the environment so that isn't going to happen.

[subs]

curious did u really drive a diesel? maybe it was a brand new turbo because they are slow man. so many are turbos for a reason

anyway sorry to be picky about ur otherwise good post.

it is a little unfair to say that they do not care about the enviroment - maybe they care too much in ur eyes?

[pavyracer]

When the sea rises people is only by several feet. If it rises by 100 feet then all of us will be living in the mountains.

[curious]

curious did u really drive a diesel? maybe it was a brand new turbo because they are slow man. so many are turbos for a reason

anyway sorry to be picky about ur otherwise good post.

it is a little unfair to say that they do not care about the enviroment - maybe they care too much in ur eyes?

No, they don't care. I need to differentiate here between "environmentalists" and people like me who really care about the environment and who understand technology and have thought through how to address all these issues using off the shelf technology or something that could become off the shelf in a few years. "Environmentalists" never talk about technologies like that, most of them couldn't because they don't study these things, they just parrot what some self anointed "expert" is brainwashing them with.

There are many technologies which are ON THE SHELF, which will achieve amazing things in cleaning up our planet. One issue I have with the "environmentalists" is that they NEVER want to talk about using these technologies. They only want to talk about this puristic world that they run where everything is done using technologies which are pie in the sky theoretical 'technologies'.

The other issue that I have with the "environmentalists" is that most of them don't know how to discuss these issues at a technical level, they only parrot the preachings of their leaders.

We could use existing technologies, and set up programs to put large numbers of people to work, and completely change our society to use far less electricity, far less gasoline, far less natural gas, and create far less pollutant discharges that damage the atmosphere. See, I am all for having a clean planet, I just want to use realistic facts to achieve this, not pie in the sky emotion (which is how every "environmentalist" I have ever spoken with talks).

One thing that REALLY bothers me is how we could have millions of people working full time in actually doing all these things and the programs would pay for themselves because energy bills would be reduced very deeply and the savings could pay the workers. And in the process we would change our country over from a petro-chemical based society to an organic based society. But no one cares about this and no one talks about it. It makes me extremely angry.

The federal government and all of their agencies could fix this problem with a few simple regulations. For example, I designed and built houses in a previous lifetime which heated and cooled themselves and generated their own hot water. The cost was slightly more than "normal" but people loved these houses and Congress helped the mortgage industry set up a program where energy savings can be applied to mortgage payment qualification. So, in other words, if a "normal" house will have a $200 utility bill, and you qualify for an $800 payment, you can qualify for a $1000 payment for a house which will have a $0 utility bill. Or, $950 for a house with a $50 utility bill, or whatever other combination you might have.

This is a great program but the building codes were not changed to help builders and home buyers understand how to accomplish vast reductions in the energy consumption and thus the energy bill. A few ridiculous programs like LEEDS were proffered by the people who would benefit from LEEDS but the building codes were not revamped to use the correct technologies and building methods to achieve ultra high energy savings and ultra low utility bills.

If the building codes were revamped and if the energy efficient mortgage program was changed to require the use of these ultra energy efficient technologies then this would mean that all new houses constructed would use from 70% to 100% less energy than they use under current building methods. Existing houses could be revamped in the same way. A program could be set up so that the home owner continues to pay the pre-existing normal utility bill but all the savings go to pay off the upgrades. After the upgrades are paid off the utility bill goes to what it actually is, 70% to 100% less than before.

I could go on and on with this. For example, why aren't all car washes required to use solar hot water heaters? Why aren't all malls required to use solar lighting?

Anyway, I'm not an expert in this but I could draw up plans for many different aspects of modern life using existing, off the shelf technologies, and easy to do building methods that would greatly reduce energy usage. And the payback would be less than 7 years in all cases. And, no one will care, and no one will do it.

It is despicable.

[Cap dat 4ss]

Global warming is an indisputable fact. What is disputable is the means by which is causing this, whether or not it will continue and what Earth will be like if it does continue.

[Chuck Sims]

The U.S. govt. screwed the people big time. Diesel fuel used to be much cheaper than regular gas. Then, the auto makers started making diesel cars and pick-up trucks. And like overnight, diesel fuel skyrocketed.

[Chuck Sims]

This from University of Alabama at Huntsville climatologist John Christy, a climate expert:

"The warmest years on record in the Arctic were 1937 and 1938....

Furthermore, those same records show that the Arctic warmed twice as fast between 1917 and 1937 as it has in the past 20 years. After 1940, the Arctic saw a big cool-down and climatologists noted sea ice expanding in the northern Atlantic."

[curious]

Global warming is an indisputable fact. What is disputable is the means by which is causing this, whether or not it will continue and what Earth will be like if it does continue.

Prove it to us. What has the global atmospheric temperature increased by over what time period and how did this compare to earlier time periods, say 100 years ago, 1000 years ago, 10,000 years ago....etc?

And how do you discount for the effect on global temperature of things like the elliptic of the earth's orbit around the sun? The wobble of the earth's axis? The effect of the dog star on the earth's atmosphere? There are many other effects. How does your model account for all of these?

[subs]

totally agree that simple cost effective things should be mandatory: all roofs in hot places should be white, solar water heating, all new houses should be well insulated. petrol should cost MORE.

ethanol should be banned because it costs too much in CO2 to produce from corn and drives food prices up which means more people starve and are in abject poverty for no possitive effect except make big agro richer.

nuclear power is not the answer either.

offer green power to the consumer like in australia (at a premium) so people have the choice and force power companies to BUY green power from producers at the current green power prices.

some things to debate: factor in the cost of pollution into taxes, especially for health. offer incentives for local production. label everything "Local" or "inter-state" or "international". label everything that is flown in.

people should have a choice and that means having the information to do so.

[losturmarbles]

totally agree that simple cost effective things should be mandatory: all roofs in hot places should be white, solar water heating, all new houses should be well insulated. petrol should cost MORE.

ethanol should be banned because it costs too much in CO2 to produce from corn and drives food prices up which means more people starve and are in abject poverty for no possitive effect except make big agro richer.

nuclear power is not the answer either.

offer green power to the consumer like in australia (at a premium) so people have the choice and force power companies to BUY green power from producers at the current green power prices.

some things to debate: factor in the cost of pollution into taxes, especially for health. offer incentives for local production. label everything "Local" or "inter-state" or "international". label everything that is flown in.

people should have a choice and that means having the information to do so.

What kind of fukin Orwellian doublespeak is this shit? mandatory... force... choice.

Just stick to getting high pal.

[losturmarbles]

i believe this may help

curious - do u believe that it is possible for the human species to continue as is - or do u believe that we will damage the earth so badly that it will come back and bite us in the ass. BTW that is another A N A L O G Y. or perhaps the continuous greed of our societies will somehow lead to the near extinction of our species? obviously 2 extremes. which 1 curious?

just wondering, if u had to predict the future, would it be rosy-cheeked children, abundant with consumables, playing in penthouses. or something a little more austere?

just wondering if u think this level of living is sustainable for future generations or not?

If you're really worried about the human species then you need to wake up to fact that the only threat to mankind is the tyrants that want to control your life. Throughout history the end game is always the same, population reduction. And you can stop believing their propaganda too, like CO2 is a pollutant, human beings are a virus, mandatory "choices", etc.

[pavyracer]

Another factor for man made global warming is methane gas produced by the trillions of livestock humans use for food.

[losturmarbles]

Another factor for man made global warming is methane gas produced by the trillions of livestock humans use for food.

Thanks Mr. Peabody

[pavyracer]

Thanks Mr. Peabody

You are welcome.

[subs]

What kind of fukin Orwellian doublespeak is this shit? mandatory... force... choice.

Just stick to getting high pal.

its doublegood that thinkcrime be severely punished... have u even read orwell ?

i used these words in different paragraphs to help u to separate the issues.... but i'll help u out: yes some things in building codes should be/are mandatory; power companies should be forced to by available green electricity; and normal people should have the information to make choices.

.... ummm stick to being drunk, i hear it a real brain opener. i haven't done propper drugs in a while - doesn't go with being a parent, and no a little puff every now and again is no biggie.

but thanks for the constructive input bro.

If you're really worried about the human species then you need to wake up to fact that the only threat to mankind is the tyrants that want to control your life. Throughout history the end game is always the same, population reduction. And you can stop believing their propaganda too, like CO2 is a pollutant, human beings are a virus, mandatory "choices", etc.

i agree with most of this although i believe the "end game" is perhaps more complex. don't know what these #%^$$ believe but it anint the tooth fairy. human beings r not a virus but we r "infecting the earth" as a virus would infect a living organism - sort of, well loosely speaking. loved the matrix probably because it has so many great analogies in it.

don't think either of us r shallow...

i believe the warming, or at least the refusal to do anything about it, is part of this end-game? could it be?

[craig4nr]

Global warming from carbon emissions is a fact. What people don't understand is the consequences of global warming. If it's too cold in the winter or too hot in the summer has nothing to do with global warming. The rising of the seas is the #1 effect of global warming.

Exactly. It always makes me laugh when people say "it's cold where I am today, so the gradual overall warming of the temperatures around the world must not exist."

[polskboy]

there is no global warming .

[statnerds]

Another factor for man made global warming is methane gas produced by the trillions of livestock humans use for food.

So when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, how much methane gas did they produce?

[statnerds]

Global warming is an indisputable fact.

Ummm, I hate spoon feeding you people information, so go find it for yourself.

Global Warming was the phrase and we should all be dead by now.

However, the globe has been cooling since 2003...FACT

Unable to explain or account for it.

Name changed to Climate Change.

If you search hard enough you will find Global Warming 'scientists' lamenting the fact that temps have fallen and they can't prove the warming part anymore.

[Kindred]

which are clearly caused by the human impact of the last 50 years and what will eventually lead to mass species extinction..

Any proof of that? Didn't think so

[rkelly110]

Another factor for man made global warming is methane gas produced by the trillions of livestock humans use for food.

Not to mention our own human asses. Speaking of which....whew!

[pavyracer]

So when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, how much methane gas did they produce?

Not as much as the gazillion of cows humans raise for food. When the dinosaurs roamed the earth there was balance in the ecosystem because the dinosaurs where not raising their own livestock to sell to other dinosaurs for profit.

[DwightShrute]

did man-made global warming cause all the ice to melt and thus ending the ice-age?