Who still believes in Global Warming?

[wtf]

[PittsburghPlayer]

Global warming is a farce. Any human being that thinks that actions of what they do can influence mother nature is a complete moron. The world has been around a lot longer than human existence.

I have read some dumb shit here in the past. This is by far dumbest of them all. To influence nature can be as simple a re-routing a stream so that man can build a highway, A forest fire. There are millions of ways we influence nature. This debate is stupid as well...for every action a reaction. If denying man has something to do with it is your gig matters little, either way we are through, too many selfish retards around.

[Dark Horse]

I have read some dumb shit here in the past. This is by far dumbest of them all. To influence nature can be as simple a re-routing a stream so that man can build a highway, A forest fire. There are millions of ways we influence nature. This debate is stupid as well...for every action a reaction. If denying man has something to do with it is your gig matters little, either way we are through, too many selfish retards around.

There are two types of beliefs. One is the hypothesis; the belief that something is indeed possible and therefore worth investigating. The other is the 'religious' variety that doesn't ask questions. Only the second offers a seamless fit with utter mental laziness.

It is, of course, not possible to investigate every single hypothesis. So thankfully there are three answers to every question: affirmative, negative, and neutral. Neutral being 'I don't know'.

Strangely, it may be as rare to find a neutral position on a complex issue as it is to find someone willing to research it.

[BigdaddyQH]

The fact of the matter is this. Global Warming believers have caused a major amount of damage to their cause by using statistics that have proven to be misleading, incorrect, and flat out lies. Their leaders are amongst the most Liberal liars in the world. They have painted themselves into a corner and right now, there is no way out. This "Save the Planet" movement sounds more and more like B.S. every day. Before I will give these people a second thought, I want to see some statistics from reliable sources, not Al Gore's goon squad. Show me where the proof is. I will be judge and jury. I am perfectly willing to rule for the Global Warming activist if they can produce evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that their position is correct. So far, they have failed to do so. The more they talk, the worse it gets for them.

[PittsburghPlayer]

I don`t think that it is any stretch that the planet is over crowded and getting worse daily. We can not sustain this growth for MANY reasons. Therefore I think it is safest to assume that there is man made climate change happening. What is the worst that happens if assholes like me are wrong? A cleaner planet with less retards? That would suck. To me it is about sacrifice. I believe we have an obligation to leave this place no worse than we found it. However, what if the assholes that think climate change is not man made and it turns out to be?

[DARKBAY]

Shouldn`t we be talking about how much we won on the Celtics game last night?

[Dark Horse]

I don`t think that it is any stretch that the planet is over crowded and getting worse daily. We can not sustain this growth for MANY reasons. Therefore I think it is safest to assume that there is man made climate change happening. What is the worst that happens if assholes like me are wrong? A cleaner planet with less retards? That would suck. To me it is about sacrifice. I believe we have an obligation to leave this place no worse than we found it. However, what if the assholes that think climate change is not man made and it turns out to be?

Yes, it is much better to err on the side of caution in this case. Cleaner energies can only benefit. The sooner the era of fossil fuels is left behind, the better.

But I thought the question was about global warming.

[Andy117]

Shouldn`t we be talking about how much we won on the Celtics game last night?

I lost, I'd rather not think about it.

[man3645]

Trust in Al gore,

[ACoochy]

Show me where the proof is. I will be judge and jury. I am perfectly willing to rule for the Global Warming activist if they can produce evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that their position is correct. So far, they have failed to do so. The more they talk, the worse it gets for them.

Go look at haiti and costa rica for recent validity. 9.0 magnitude earthquakes are fu**in crazy and unheard of until very recently....Bring on 2012 i say

[Mini19]

As the earth continues to heat up.. Call it "global warming" or whatever, it is melting the polar ice caps and that is a fact. No one can argue the fact that these ice caps, especially in places like greenland are melting at rates much quicker then first predicted by scientist.
This leads to a significant increase to fresh water bein released into the oceans around the world, specifically the atlantic. The problem with this is that it slows the process of the gulf stream. As many may know, the gulf stream moves up from the gulf of Mexico across the Atlantic ocean and towards western Europe. This process works as a "conveyer belt" as heavier salt water and warmer fresh water rise and fall over eachother which consititues for the movement of the gulf stream. Now if the ice caps melt and a significant increase in fresh water melted into the Atlantic, then this will slow down and stop the gulf stream since it dilutes the salt in the ocean and stops the continous cylce of fresh and salt water which propells the gulf stream. Without the movement of the gulf stream, which transports warm weather, western Europe and the eastern united states would plunge into sudden decreases in temperature in which some scientists think will be the second coming of the younger dryas r
era.

So basically global warming will just lead us right into another ice age

[DOMINATER]

all computer models are trending that way , professer golkyhi deriutzky of the SOVIET COSMONAUTS ORGANIZATION, stated in his review on tidal waves cause and effect with the moons craters has stated with some doubt the resources and demand study. he stated on some level he found out the 3.14 p2 expired apielement could be used. with the determination of breaking several codes could cause vascular treatments bringing A possible 12 ft splurdge minus all the details so overstating this element . causing no reflux. inreater oders caused no change.

[Facepunch]

Go look at haiti and costa rica for recent validity. 9.0 magnitude earthquakes are fu**in crazy and unheard of until very recently....Bring on 2012 i say

Unheard of?

What about Pangaea, and the breaking of the Super Continent, What about glaciers melting in North America 14,000 years ago creating the Great Lakes (before the advent of the SUV).

We really cant look at such a small swath of time, and believe that we can understand everything that is going on.

While 200 years of data may seem like enough to make an educated decision on whether the Global warming trend is man made, it is a mere blip or micro blip in the grand scheme of things.

[Facepunch]

As the earth continues to heat up.. Call it "global warming" or whatever, it is melting the polar ice caps and that is a fact. No one can argue the fact that these ice caps, especially in places like greenland are melting at rates much quicker then first predicted by scientist.
This leads to a significant increase to fresh water bein released into the oceans around the world, specifically the atlantic. The problem with this is that it slows the process of the gulf stream. As many may know, the gulf stream moves up from the gulf of Mexico across the Atlantic ocean and towards western Europe. This process works as a "conveyer belt" as heavier salt water and warmer fresh water rise and fall over eachother which consititues for the movement of the gulf stream. Now if the ice caps melt and a significant increase in fresh water melted into the Atlantic, then this will slow down and stop the gulf stream since it dilutes the salt in the ocean and stops the continous cylce of fresh and salt water which propells the gulf stream. Without the movement of the gulf stream, which transports warm weather, western Europe and the eastern united states would plunge into sudden decreases in temperature in which some scientists think will be the second coming of the younger dryas r
era.

So basically global warming will just lead us right into another ice age

I think that the only dispute is really:

Group A :

-Man is the cause of this
-we have the ability to do something about it
-We must act quickly


Vs.

Group B:

-Man's role is not proven
-we probably can not do anything about this.
-Before we spend trillions we should be sure of the science.

[Dark Horse]

I think that the only dispute is really:

Group A :

-Man is the cause of this
-we have the ability to do something about it
-We must act quickly


Vs.

Group B:

-Man's role is not proven
-we probably can not do anything about this.
-Before we spend trillions we should be sure of the science.

The wise decision would be not to take the risk. To err on the side of caution. But political decisions are not driven by wisdom but by greed.

As long as there were no economic incentives, it didn't matter what science said. But show people there's a buck to be made, and they'll rapidly change their tone (along with the media coverage). The move to clean energy and away from fossil fuels is already under way. The debate about global warming has already been decided by this shift, in the only non-theoretical sense that matters. Why would anyone be opposed to that? Anyone here prefers breathing black fumes over crisp, clean air?

[Igetp2s]

The wise decision would be not to take the risk. To err on the side of caution. But political decisions are not driven by wisdom but by greed.

As long as there were no economic incentives, it didn't matter what science said. But show people there's a buck to be made, and they'll rapidly change their tone (along with the media coverage). The move to clean energy and away from fossil fuels is already under way. The debate about global warming has already been decided by this shift, in the only non-theoretical sense that matters. Why would anyone be opposed to that? Anyone here prefers breathing black fumes over crisp, clean air?

It's only moving in that direction because people thought that the government would give them economic benefits for doing so. Without the gov't subsidies, there's no question people wouldn't change.

[whatsgood5]

I'm kinda on the fence about this now, don't really care either way though.

[statnerds]

As the earth continues to heat up.. Call it "global warming" or whatever, it is melting the polar ice caps and that is a fact.

i will only call this misinformed information. the only place in the world ice caps are melting are the ones that sit atop under sea volcanoes.

you can read here about, surprise surprise, yet another mistake made by the IPCC underestimating the growth rate of ice. why is every mistake in favor of global warming? statistically improbable.

i mean how to reconcile these two items:

2007 : Scientist: Global warming could melt ice caps, eliminate half of Earth's species

2010: According to the Arctic sea ice has increased by 19 percent since its minimum in 2007.

funniest shit is people never question what the hear or what they are told. feel free to question this: Polar Bear population is up 400% in the last few decades. Polar bears can swim 60 miles, so when you see them on ice floats, use your fukkin brain, they ain't gonna drown. Polar bears are fukkin killers that eat everything, put we never see those pics, or do we?



they are huge, vicious and eat whatever the fukk they want:



question everything you hear people, especially from anyone saying the science is settled.

[Facepunch]

The wise decision would be not to take the risk. To err on the side of caution. But political decisions are not driven by wisdom but by greed.

As long as there were no economic incentives, it didn't matter what science said. But show people there's a buck to be made, and they'll rapidly change their tone (along with the media coverage). The move to clean energy and away from fossil fuels is already under way. The debate about global warming has already been decided by this shift, in the only non-theoretical sense that matters. Why would anyone be opposed to that? Anyone here prefers breathing black fumes over crisp, clean air?

The funny thing is, is that most people do not see this new carbon market that is forming as another derivative that people like Goldman Sachs are going to exploit the only real loser will be the common people who have to pay for the increased overhead of energy.

Because the credits will be bought and sold, there is no real incentive to curb emissions as scrubbers and emission control are the most expensive liability facing the Coal industry, as opposed to improving the situation they will just buy credits, and pass the overhead over to the consumer.

A lot of people think that Cap and Trader will be a good thing, but it is clearly just another way to get the public to pay for corporations.

It is brilliant (I mean in the corporate kill your mother for a penny and club a baby seal for fun sense of the word)

Corporations have teamed up with financial to find a way to get the tree huggers to shut up while increasing profit, and passing huge liabilities off of their sheets and into the public's lap.

Beautiful, freaking evil, but beautiful.

All while not having conclusive data to prove the carbon link ..

At the end of the day , I think that we all want clean air, clean water and clean energy, but it will take decades to shift to viable options, it is not an overnight fix.

We should move incentives to funding those alternative energies (like we are doing) and focus on building instead of stealing.

There is no model I have seen where we will be able to completely stop burning fossil fuels in our lifetime, so we should be focused on supplementing coal with increasing alternative energies, and slowly over time to make progress.

We need to act like Facepunch more, by thinking with our heads and not our hearts, ( I mean, I am still betting on WVU tonight) Just sayin...

[Facepunch]

PS. I am a WVU fan

[Andy117]

Cap and Trade is a nonsense idea.

[Duchous]

I think that humans cannot compare to the power of sun, if sun gives us a lot of heat, then its warm, if not, then its cold, humans are nothing compared to the power of nature

[DwightShrute]

I think that humans cannot compare to the power of sun, if sun gives us a lot of heat, then its warm, if not, then its cold, humans are nothing compared to the power of nature

well said

[Facepunch]

Cap and Trade is a nonsense idea.

If it were not for Cap and Trade I think there would be a lot more consensus on funding cleaner more efficient energy.

How about limiting our dependence on foreign oil for one, that is somehting that is literally a threat to our national security.

[Indecent]

So now that "climategate" has pretty much been refuted by clearing the researchers involved of any wrong doing (from a stats/scientific method point of view) and having their research verified by independent scientists in the US and overseas, has anyone's opinion changed?

[maersksealand]

As the earth continues to heat up.. Call it "global warming" or whatever, it is melting the polar ice caps and that is a fact. No one can argue the fact that these ice caps, especially in places like greenland are melting at rates much quicker then first predicted by scientist.
This leads to a significant increase to fresh water bein released into the oceans around the world, specifically the atlantic. The problem with this is that it slows the process of the gulf stream. As many may know, the gulf stream moves up from the gulf of Mexico across the Atlantic ocean and towards western Europe. This process works as a "conveyer belt" as heavier salt water and warmer fresh water rise and fall over eachother which consititues for the movement of the gulf stream. Now if the ice caps melt and a significant increase in fresh water melted into the Atlantic, then this will slow down and stop the gulf stream since it dilutes the salt in the ocean and stops the continous cylce of fresh and salt water which propells the gulf stream. Without the movement of the gulf stream, which transports warm weather, western Europe and the eastern united states would plunge into sudden decreases in temperature in which some scientists think will be the second coming of the younger dryas r
era.

So basically global warming will just lead us right into another ice age

how the puck do you know the north pole is melting ? You've been there or you just believe AlGore's propaganda ? Google CLIMATEGATE, get your facts straight dumbazz

[FreeFall]

If you deny global warming then you might as we'll try to convince me that gravity doesn't exist and our world is flat.

[iifold]

its all a big hustle..

no one cares about the fukkin "planet"..

If you jackfukks cant see this, you have no fukkin chance in hell of beating the books..

[Carseller4]

I heard it snowed in New Hampshire yesterday.

[statnerds]

this scam is dying a slow death, and a well deserved one. just like the hole in the ozone layer, just like CFCs. 5 years from now the only fukkin idiots talking about global warming will be tree hugging liberal dikes and butt pirates. but those same idiots will also be joining whatever cause is pushed by the libs in charge in the UN, the US and the MSM. same shit over and over again, just the crisis gets a new name, but always with humans as the driving force behind the end of the world.

if you don't know you are being controlled and used, then as iifold said, you deserve to lose your money. it is the same thing. if you cannot properly digest the information presented to you, you are a danger to yourself and others.

question everything and trust no one.

[Z_Wipf]

My favorite is when idiots say "So much for global warming....It's snowing"

facepalm

[BWest]

Global warming is a complete fabrication by liberals and communist sympathizers. We (the human race) have been dumping billions of tons of shit into streams, rivers and oceans for years now and it all just disappears. So do fish, but they can't vote so screw them. I believe there is a giant filter in the bottom of the ocean (probably built by the Russians) that captures all of the bad stuff and makes it disappear. I also believe that in order to supply mankind with more fresh water, we should set the polar ice caps on fire and send big ships to catch all the freshly melted water. I have done extensive experiments in my back yard to determine the effects of pollution on the atmosphere. I set lots of old things on fire and watch to see what happens. ALL of the smoke disappears almost instantly in to thin air almost like magic. I even set off fireworks and they also disappear into the air. This is proof positive that all this bullshit about global warming, CO2 ( have you ever seen CO2 huh?) is totally fabricated. My experiments are proof positive. It's like people who say "the wind knocked over your sign". I do not know anyone who has actually seen the wind. I went to the hardware store and asked for a can of wind. The guy looked at me like I was retarted. It's the same thing as Global Warming, if it don't come in a can at Walmart it doesn't exist. I'm not a scientist (I know, I know I sound like one) but we should just keep doing what were doing...my grampa says.. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Until the day I see a cloud of Global Warming near my house, I ain't gonna believe all that "liberal bullshit". You shouldn't either, do experiments like I did. Try dumping your trash in a river, I bet the next day it's all gone. Well, I gotta go now and do more experiments. Some dude told me he heard about some guy walking on the moon. I'm gonna check it out and let you know what the deal is.

[Carseller4]

My favorite is when idiots say "So much for global warming....It's snowing"

facepalm

My favorite is when idiots get together to protest Global Warming and a freak winter storm cancels the event. Happens almost every time.

Global Warming was an excuse for higher taxes, less freedom, and more government control.

Scientist had a field day trying to get more grant money and government favor by manipulating, distoring, and deleting data to prove its existence, and it turned out to debunk Global Warming forever! Thank God for irony!

[Bencuri]

Global warming is present. A good evidence for it is the melting of glaciers in mountains and the polar ice. Some people think when the weather becomes cooler in their place that global warming is fake, but it is also part of the game, the global warming brings weather changes, but overally the whole thing is pointing towards warming. Moreover some local climate cooling will be just a minor aspect in determining whether there is warming or not when the polar ice is melting, and the sea level rises. Maybe somewhere the local climate will be cooler, but in big cities the people will walk in water. That is more significant sign then some local cooling.

[Carseller4]