What's up with the western union option being gone? To many transfers?
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I don't have a grudge against online gaming at all. I do it myself from time to time.
I know Calvin Ayre better than his own Mammy. He is a sociopathically dishonest man and his craving for personal attention has been the principal cause of all of the problems the DOJ is visiting on other gaming operators.
If you want to learn more about Calvin, google "The Personification of the American Dream" and "Cold Eye"
That's just the beginning. All of these Bodog businesses have one common trait. Although there may be some talented individuals in functional departments such as marketing, Calvin himself is not a talented individual or even a person of any remarkable intellect. His primary distinguishing feature is his passionate love affair with Calvin Ayre and his relentless pursuit of self promotion, with your money.
I'm all for online gaming. I hope the US regulated it. I hope Canada regulates it and that we accept each others licensees as we accept each others certification of aircraft and many other things.
The standard for regulation such that the safety of bettors and the fairness of games would be that Calvin Ayre could not be licensed. He has been described in a major Canadian newspaper as not being fit to run a bingo game.
No matter how many of these posts SBR shifts to the BetUS and Bodog thread, that fundamental truth will never change.
Removal of the ban on online gaming and its replacement by a regulated scheme in which adults are free to spend their money as they see fit on this type of recreation is something I fully support. And it would have one other advantage. Your cheques wouldn't bounce and you'd have your payouts within minutes, just like you do when you walk up to the cage in Vegas.Comment -
Just googled the terms and they are too vague it brings up tons of things.Comment -
ColdEye when I attempt to google the piece it takes me to blocbc.com/coldeye, but upon clicking it it says "server not found." Are there any alternate ways to find it?Comment -
Sorry lads. I used to have that article on an older political site that is now changing. It is on the Cold Eye at:
You'll have to cut and paste that as I understand the SBR doesn't like links in threads.
Oops. It came up as a link anyways. I thought you had to use the Insert Link thingy.
And sorry about that bit at the end of Comments. That's the reason we stopped letting people comment until we got the registration thing set up, which it now is. I'll try and get that crap out of there when I have a minute.Last edited by ColdEyeMe; 06-05-07, 09:25 PM.Comment -
No More Western Union For U.s. Players
I received a phone call from an extremely nice guy today from the service department at Bodog.
He advised I would receive my check next Friday and if I didn't to phone him personally.
The bad new is they discontinued WESTERN UNION TODAY TO U.S.A.
and therefore could not expedite my payment via that method as I requested.
He also gave me a small bonus in my account for the delay and problem with my payout being processed incorrectly from the beginning.
I think they know players are upset and are going to do their best to correct the situation.
I think the posts and emails got the their attention, really.
Also think "Bodog employee" may really be an employee. He mentioned Western Union (maybe not discontinuing but maybe what he is said about **, is why discontinued).
NOT SURE IF IT APPLIES TO EVERYONE, DIDN'T ASK, SORRY.Comment -
I'm serious, where's my money, Calvin Ayre?
My name is Dave Loudon. I have known Calvin for almost thirty years. Recently, I was made aware of this forum. I was previously aware of Calvin's high profile through various news articles up here in Canada, and I was aware of his Forbes Nagazine appearance. Not too sure how to say this, but I trusted Calvin with money once. A lot of money, One Hundred Thousand Dollars, to be precise. It was in 92, or 93, I forget. He had come to me with a deal to buy some stock in a heart-valve company, he said it was called Bicer Medical. I was skeptical, because I knew Calvin through my sons, who were the same age, and I knew his father had recently been released from prison. I also knew that Calvin had brought his Dad into the drug-smuggling scheme which ended in the arrests of Cal's father and several other men. The last thing I wanted to do was buy stock from him, but he persisted, and he persisted. He was almost begging me, and on the verge of tears. He claimed Bicer was being promoted by some well-connected German guy, and it was a sure thing. I had recently sold a mobile home park in the BC Interior, and had some money to play with. Calvin had been hanging around my sons a lot at the time, and I had been friends with his Dad, so I finally said, OK. But not before I got his personal guarantee that if things started going south, he would alert me and I would be able to sell my stock. I know what you may be thinking, no guarantees in the stock market. But we had also structured the agreement, to protect myself, that he was personally liable for any losses incurred by me. I made it clear to him that I considered the money more as a loan than as an investment. He told me we had to proceed quickly, as the money had to be paid immediately to some stock-brokers who had been hired to promote Bicer. Long story short, that was the last I ever saw of that money, and that SOB knew, he knew, that I would suffer financial hardship if I didn't get that money back. For the first few months, he kept giving me excuses, and promises of a pending payment. Then he started telling me the money had been put into a different venture, Gazootek or something. I begged him, Calvin, I need that money, you promised me, our families are friends; all the while my sons were telling me he was living high on the hog, buying two penthouses and having them made into one, partying with prostitutes and drug dealers and the Howe St. stock market crowd. I tracked him down, finally, at an office on Burrard St. I pretty much started crying to the guy, how my wife was going to leave me, my kids needed help, I had given him the money to help him keep his business going, on and on. He said, Dave, I'm late for a meeting, I'll have a cheque for you tomorrow, for 100.000, and another one for 25 grand, and I'm really sorry it took so long. He said it was the banks fault, not his. I was so happy. The next morning, I practically flew down the seawall to meet Cal and get my money. You cannot begin to understand the anger and shame I felt when the secretary informed me that Calvin had left for Costa Rica the night before. After several months, I located a phone number for him in Costa Rica. Every time I phoned, some secretary would inform me that Calvin was in Thailand, or Cambodia, or Russia, or the Phillipines, or Saskatchewan. She always said, yes, I'll be sure to give Mr Ayre your message. I could talk all night about the excuses I got, but to this day have never seen a penny of the money I put up. I had pretty well put it in the back of my mind until one of the Roberts boys contacted me to say a reporter was tracking down people who had invested in Bicer Medical, and wanted me to tell my story. I thought, no, I don't feel the need to share my shame with the whole province, so I said no. Now I wish I had. But I have been following Cal's recent troubles on this forum that a friend put me onto, and I see history repeating itself. Calvin living high on the hog, other people footing the bill, him blaming the processors and the govt. for people not being paid. Now I hear he is living in Antigua, a place he has boasted to mutual friends about where he is untouchable. I still keep in touch with some of his family, and hear they are doing real well. His Dad lives on 160 acre farm 30 minutes from downtown Vancouver, gotta be worth mega-millions. I heard from his Mom's hair-dresser in Vernon that Cal bought her a five million dollar house not far away. I wasn't going to write in, but then I read the article by ColdEyeMe as to how Calvin brags about being well on his way to becoming a billionaire twice over, and yet he knows where I live and I have heard nothing from him. Frankly, folks, I;ve never gotten over the loss of that 100 grand, and my wife did leave me, and my liver is pretty well pickled, and I'm a bit of a laughing-stock for being the guy who helped get Cal to where he is, and haven't seen a dime back. Good luck to Bodog bettors. ****, I'm stupid. I don't have a mean bone in my body, but I think Calvin should be in prison, at least til he learns a bit of decency, and humility. Thanks for reading this. Dave.Comment -
a) Utah sucks
b) 2+2 sucks
c) Bodog sucks
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What a load of bullshit. I live across the border in Washington State just south of Bellingham which puts me about 30-40 minutes away from the Canadian border.
Since I've been waiting 3+ weeks for my payout I decided to take a trip up after reading this post to that office mentioned and here is what I found:
This customer service department isn't anything but an outsourced CS department for some tiny VoIP company. They're one of these "full service" startups that deal with those cheap phone cards you find at a corner store that you can phone Mexico to for 2c a minute as well as dealing with re-selling a larger provider's VoIP access. Edit: Bodog was nowhere to be found!
I had a brief conversation with the receptionist who was very polite as I'd expect most Canadians to be. She told me that I was likely mis-led by an employee who was recently fired. Due to the high turnover rate the place seems to be a revolving door of Vancouver stoners too lazy to go to college.
Thanks for wasting my time, asshole. I'll stick to reading posts that are relevant to my situation from those who know, not pissed off little children. You owe me $20 in gas money.Comment -
I think the mods need to start deleting this stalker crapola.
A few regular players may not know that this is one guy who lost his twins in a custody suit to bodogs owner sister 20 years ago. Its amusing to read but someone might be mislead.
Can a mod please start a thread in the Private Forum where this guy can have the ability to post all he wants?Comment -
Boy, that stalker seems to be going to a lot of trouble if you're right, SBR John. He's set up a complete website for Triple Crown Customer Services, done some elaborate photo sessions with models, and is paying the cost of maintaining a website.
http://www.triplecrowncs.com is the link.
Here's an excerpt from the site:
Triple Crown Customer Service (TCCS) is an inbound call centre that provides services to one of the biggest players in the online gaming industry. If you’re interested in sports and online gaming or looking for a fun and rewarding experience check out what Triple Crown Customer Service is all about.
And yes, this stalker has even gone to the expense of renting an office just so he could appear on these forums as SoYouHateMe. Here's the address.
Our Burnaby office is located close to the Millennium SkyTrain line just paces away from the Gilmore Station.
Triple Crown Customer Service
4190 Still Creek Drive,
West Lobby, 4th Floor
Burnaby, BC V6Z 2H3
Tel: 604-639-3423
Fax: 604-484-0400
Personally, I'd bet a lot more on the credibility of SYHM than this Faint guy who shows up to try and demolish this thread.
Any posters live in Vancouver who could go and check out this address and enquire about what went on there a couple of months ago?Comment -
There is some decent discussion in this thread. I talk to a lot of people in the business. Sure they are pretty disappointed about the current environment. But they mention two names to blame more than any US government agency. Calvin and Kaplan. Whether you believe the stories that either one took some kids as collateral on gambling debts and then sold them into black market slavery is not the point. These clowns became too visible, too high of profile, too famous. It is just like Meyer Lansky said to Ben Seigel, famous is not good for you or us Benny. When you operate in a gray area it is best to remain in the low profile mode. Not the self promoting look at me limelight.Comment -
Really? Anyone can say that.
You came on here to say SoYouHateMe was a liar when he said he was a CS rep for Triple Crown Customer Services, a Bodog operation based in Burnaby, B.C. SYHM gave a fairly detailed and informational post and a few follow ups that I think quite a few people here found quite helpful in understanding the Bodog collapse. Your schtick was that you went up to Canada and found that Triple Crown was just a contracted CS for some internet phone company and there was no sign of Bodog at all.
SBR John then jumps in with the observation that SYHM must be one of those two brothers who have pretty well cut Calvin Ayre's head off on the forums and with the media and then tries to dismiss the whole thread.
Calvin Ayre would likely have sucked your and SBR John's dick for your and his post. It would have served the purpose of defusing the explosive content of this thread. There were some problems though.
A couple of Bodog plants came on and did not deny that SYHM worked at Triple Crown or that it was a Bodog operation. The story they started to spread was that SYHM was dismissed from Triple Crown for, get this, sexual harrassment. Yes, sexual harrassment. At a Bodog operation.
Then there is the website there now, and it is exactly as it was when SYHM was posting. It says that the only thing it does is customer service for a major online gambling operation.
Now your story is that SYHM could never have worked at Bodog/Triple Crown because you have found him out by driving up from Bellingham to Canada to personally investigate. You say that there is no Bodog at Triple Crown offices, only some CS shop for nothing related to gaming. SBR John says that SYHM is a "stalker", ironically the same term Calvin uses to describe those two guys who've been pushing his face into the toilet for the last year or two.
Somehow that all sounds like a conspiracy theory too far to me. Like Arabs with boxcutters took over four airplanes and flew them into the World Trade Center and the heat of jet fuel melted beams in the towers and caused them to collapse and tower 7 just fell down because, well, it was tired.
Oddly enough, you're not the first poster with Bodog stamped all over him to say "Long time lurker, first time poster" on the forums. I've seen it before.
Yep, I'd say I think I'll get my facts from SYHM rather than you, if you don't mind. Although I do wonder where SYHM has gone to. And I wonder why Bodog has never denied he worked there or that Triple Crown provided it with customer service.
I guess I wonder about a lot of things.Comment -
From the cover of Forbes to the toilet. Calvin's face sure used to get around. This guy has the unofficial DOJ's #1 wanted, a place I would never want my face to be. Awesome thread.Comment -
Where is your precious "So You Hate Me" now?
And great 9/11 tie-in. Thanks for bringing up the completely irrelevant. The next thing we know you'll be talking about "Zionist conspiracy" and "Mayan Pyramids"
I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just trying to tell you what I found and didn't find up there.Comment -
He's not precious to me, but where he is is a good question. Paid to shut up, would be my guess. In the clay would be a close second.
I didn't say you were trying to start a flame war. And it is possible that Triple Crown has fled. SYHM did say people were worried about rumours of all their jobs being shifted to Costa Rica, which seems weird now that Bodog is in Antigua.
But the website remains up, saying that TCS provides customer service to a major online gambling site.
Still waiting for someone from Vancouver to go and check it out. Sure you went to the same address as posted above from the website?Comment -
Triple Crown is still operating in Burnaby BC CANADA close to the skytrain station. They have not closed or moved this operation as yet and in fact from what I understand are still constantly advertising for "help wanted", which would indicate no real intention of moving or closing anytime soon.Comment -
the bottom line is...is Bodog Slow paying?Comment -
No, there aren't any open complaints at SBR and they have added new payout methods since the delays.
We have concerns that with so many players funneling into the remaining powerhouse gaming companies who accept US players that there will be a bottle neck effect on transfers. There are less books with less processing handling more action.
Bodog has had processing issues causing delays but everyone has been paid and they are still one of the best for financial stability. Players have never been cheated or stiffed. Having said that, the new envirornment may not be suitable for all gamblers that took part last football season.Comment -
Just keep the withdrawals to a minimum if you can. Plan to have to wait a little while when you do withdraw. I'm not saying there will definately be a delay but its possible nowadays. If you can't wait then don't play.
Having said that, a friend of mine cashed out recently at matchbook using FedEx and had the check in his hands in 34 hours.Comment -
Calvin is the cause of most of the heat on the books at this time. That is just a FACT. Other than the fact that he used to make his money from Securities scams he ran in Canada, I can only speak to the truth. His smart a ss comments- his above the law mentality has only brought a lot of troubles to the business. Not about being a hater for his success(good for him) it is about his stupidity!Comment
