Big ben or Drew Brees

[ipickwinners]

guess u got tired of losing this discussion

[ZBOIZ]

The defense won 90% of all his games

[ipickwinners]

why do u keep deflecting???? is 15 comeback drives in the 4th quarter in 5 years any good? is he a good QB?

[ZBOIZ]

He ok

[DeluxeLiner]

Big Ben is very good no doubt... but he doesn't turn no name receivers into great players.

Big Ben is good for the Steelers, he would not be so good on the Saints though. Brees would be good on the Steelers, but that system and players wouldn't showcase his insane skill. Brees is GREAT on the Saints.

Iono I thought that, that is a way of comparing them...Food for thought

[Shortstop]

The guy who wears Black and Gold.

[Scorpion]

Math is not your best subject? I had 14 straight winning seasons at SBR before this MLB season, so yeah, 75% losers sounds about right.

Fact is, Brees has not yet had the postseason opportunities Ben has had, so let's have this conversation again in a few years. It looks like Brees may get his chance this year.

lol, the guy has been in the league 9 years and no postseason opportunities and this guy thinks he is better than the QB who has won 2 super bowls, you have no clue

lol

[Scorpion]

drew brees is a midget

[ZBOIZ]

Ben is not the reason why the Steelers have had success. They could have won those without him. But can the Saints be the saints without Brees. Hell no!

[ipickwinners]

Big Ben is very good no doubt... but he doesn't turn no name receivers into great players.

Big Ben is good for the Steelers, he would not be so good on the Saints though. Brees would be good on the Steelers, but that system and players wouldn't showcase his insane skill. Brees is GREAT on the Saints.

Iono I thought that, that is a way of comparing them...Food for thought

we are comparing them as QBs on the teams they are one, there is no way to tell who would be better if they were on opposite teams, sure u can speculate....but thats all it is, speculation...maybe brees gets a career ending injury in year 2 if he is in pittsburgh as he is hampered in the dome 8 times a year in new orleans....ya, brees would def have a career ending injury in pittsburgh if he was with the steelers.....see its all mute points...no1 will know

[Scorpion]

brees sure played like shit yesterday 4 turnovers

he is not the reason they won

if the midget was so good SD would not get rid of him

brees is a turnover machine in games that matter

[ipickwinners]

Ben is not the reason why the Steelers have had success. They could have won those without him. But can the Saints be the saints without Brees. Hell no!

how do u know the steelers could have won the superbowls without ben?? they had the same team basically two years before with tommy maddox at QB....why didnt the steelers win superbowls then?

[ZBOIZ]

Brees bottom line

[ipickwinners]

Brees bottom line

why though? guy has been in the league for 9 years and no playoff success....like the other guy said.....whats taking so long? how much longer does he have in the league? if he needs another 9 years he is in trouble

[Scorpion]

punch brees 2 times in the stomach and he will give up

[Scorpion]

brees is too short

[Scorpion]

brees = Marc Bulger

[Scorpion]

Scorpion give me some points

sent u 30 pal

[WINGZ]

Brees

[PureGuava]

brees

[DeluxeLiner]

we are comparing them as QBs on the teams they are one, there is no way to tell who would be better if they were on opposite teams, sure u can speculate....but thats all it is, speculation...maybe brees gets a career ending injury in year 2 if he is in pittsburgh as he is hampered in the dome 8 times a year in new orleans....ya, brees would def have a career ending injury in pittsburgh if he was with the steelers.....see its all mute points...no1 will know

Brees might be MVP of the league. Big Ben...maybe MVP of his team, maybe. We are talking about who is a better qb right now, so this injury talk does not pertain to this argument. No doubt Brees is better at quarterbacking.

Oh and Scorpion...

give me some points!

[Dave ATS]

Big Ben, 2 Superbowls, Drew Brees, 0 Superbowls. End of discussion. By the way, he is just starting to come into his prime as is Brees. Ben could end up with 4 by the time he is done. How are the fantasy stats so far this year by the way, just curious.

[bapelsin]

Big Ben, 2 Superbowls, Drew Brees, 0 Superbowls. End of discussion. By the way, he is just starting to come into his prime as is Brees. Ben could end up with 4 by the time he is done. How are the fantasy stats so far this year by the way, just curious.

That's not a very good argument though. Take Trent Dilfer for example, no one in their right mind would argue that he was better than Marino or as good as Manning and Favre. It doesn't matter how good the QB isif he doesn't have a team to back him up. There are tons of examples like this Eli Manning wasn't really better than Tom Brady in 2007, was he? To draw a comparison from baseball, a pitcher with 20 wins, but an ERA of 4,5 is not a better pitcher than a guy with 14 wins and an ERA of 2,5, it's just that the first guy is fortunate enough to have a good team around him. Just as in football with the best defense in the league a mediocre QB could take that team very deep in to the playoffs.

And about the stats the QB's put up. Absolutely that's a great way to compare how good they are, after all that's how you help your team win, by putting up points on the board. A QB that has thrown for say 4,000 YDS and 35 TD's with 10 INT's is pretty much by default helping his team win more than a QB with 3,000 YDS 20 TD's and 15 picks.

As for 4th quarter comebacks, the reason Roethlisberger has so many already compared to greats like Manning or Marino is probably because those guys rarely fell behind to even have a deficit to make up in the 4th, as is the case when you routinely blow out other teams.

So, Brees as of today is quite a bit better than Ben.

[Chi_archie]

Dolphins lost 93 times with marino as a starter, or almost roughly 6 straight years of 0-16 detroit type years put in another way.


so yeah, he had lots of chances to come from behind. prob why he is the career leader in that category

[Dave ATS]

Ben vs. Brees

That's not a very good argument though. Take Trent Dilfer for example, no one in their right mind would argue that he was better than Marino or as good as Manning and Favre. It doesn't matter how good the QB isif he doesn't have a team to back him up. There are tons of examples like this Eli Manning wasn't really better than Tom Brady in 2007, was he? To draw a comparison from baseball, a pitcher with 20 wins, but an ERA of 4,5 is not a better pitcher than a guy with 14 wins and an ERA of 2,5, it's just that the first guy is fortunate enough to have a good team around him. Just as in football with the best defense in the league a mediocre QB could take that team very deep in to the playoffs.

And about the stats the QB's put up. Absolutely that's a great way to compare how good they are, after all that's how you help your team win, by putting up points on the board. A QB that has thrown for say 4,000 YDS and 35 TD's with 10 INT's is pretty much by default helping his team win more than a QB with 3,000 YDS 20 TD's and 15 picks.

As for 4th quarter comebacks, the reason Roethlisberger has so many already compared to greats like Manning or Marino is probably because those guys rarely fell behind to even have a deficit to make up in the 4th, as is the case when you routinely blow out other teams.

So, Brees as of today is quite a bit better than Ben.

By mentioning Dilfer, I see that you may cast Ben in the same light as him. Two very different animals. By the way, a little tounge in cheek about Brees coming into his prime....he has been there for quite a while with zero results. You have seen a very steady, impressive climb by Ben from year 1. As far as stats go, very hard to compare unless you play the exact same teams under the same conditions so I do not put too much credence to this type of comparison. Too many other variables to consider as well, like weather.
What I do know is that right now, if I had to chose between the two, who would I want leading my team down the field on Sunday's.....It's a no brainer. Once is great, twice is a trend, three times...you are in very select company. If you consider Tom Brady as the standard, these two guy's careers, as far as winning goes are very similiar. I want the quarterback that delivers the wins..... everytime.

[RichardMoss]

hard to make a selection here, both excellent QB's, but still this isn't a 1 player game. 56 players' roster

[Dave ATS]

My point exactly.

[poker_dummy101]

Ben is not the reason why the Steelers have had success. They could have won those without him.

[Chi_archie]

By mentioning Dilfer, I see that you may cast Ben in the same light as him. Two very different animals. By the way, a little tounge in cheek about Brees coming into his prime....he has been there for quite a while with zero results. You have seen a very steady, impressive climb by Ben from year 1. As far as stats go, very hard to compare unless you play the exact same teams under the same conditions so I do not put too much credence to this type of comparison. Too many other variables to consider as well, like weather.
What I do know is that right now, if I had to chose between the two, who would I want leading my team down the field on Sunday's.....It's a no brainer. Once is great, twice is a trend, three times...you are in very select company. If you consider Tom Brady as the standard, these two guy's careers, as far as winning goes are very similiar. I want the quarterback that delivers the wins..... everytime.

great post

[jsmithj88]

here are some points to consider:
one of the reasons ben has a lot of sacks is because he often holds onto the ball for a long time,
which is also why hes prolly the most sacked QB since hes been in the league
both QBs have basically the same completion % but brees has averaged about 100 more attempts a year

i dunno if it is fair to compare these 2 QBs since their teams offensive styles are so different
pitt is a running team, and the saints are a passing team
of course breees would have better numbers, hes gonna have more opportunities

a better comparison would be ben vs eli

[MJFtheGenius]

Are you kidding me? this thread is a joke...

obviously Brees...

The steelers defense, running game has carried them over the years...and the refs have helped him too.

[MJFtheGenius]

jackass

[Scorpion]

Brees cannot win big games because he is too short

When was the last time this wannabe won a big game? Turned the ball over 5 times last week

The Saint may go undeafeted but they will lose in the playoffs
Its sad

[brooks85]

you can't go against the steelers in playoffs, the calls they were getting in the superbowl were just unreal

[Chateaugay]

brees anyday