Big ben or Drew Brees

[ipickwinners]

For fantasy football: Brees

For real football: Ben

exactly....everyone gets their dicks hard once they hear the word fantasy football.....give me some real football

[statsjohnson]

Breez for sheez!

[element1286]

numbers are not the end all be all to deciding who is better.....if you want to use numbers to see who is better, we shall....what is the big picture goal of every team at the start of the season? win the superbowl.....how many does ben have - 2.....how many does brees have - 0...be is better


thats basically what u guys are doing....u are just looking at the numbers and not taking anything else into consideration....ben has had one of the worst offensive lines since he has been QB for the steelers, except for his 1st two years, they were pretty good.....other than those two years, his line had to be 20th-25th bes in the league

I do agree about the offensive line in the past. It isn't a problem this year, and the Steelers offense is thriving because of it. Ben is putting up MVP numbers.

[LT Profits]

I live in pittsburgh and ben for sure not even close. Ben can do things that brees could only dream of doing like winning 2 superbowl rings and on his way to number 3. Watch out cause that defense is coming!

Winning Super Bowls means nothing when doing these comparisons because that is more a function of a team than any individual. I repeat, if Brees played on the same teams Ben did, the Steelers still would have won those Super Bowls and he would have put up better numbers than Ben did.

So what can Ben do physically that Brees can't do? Their accuracy percentages are the same but Brees has the stronger arm. Also, Ben has had better receivers to work woithm which goes back to my point that we would not even be having this conversation of Brees and Ben each had the same team to work with.

[Chi_archie]

I'm not sure that you can say the steelers have the better receivers.

what can ben do better physically than Brees? before you answer that question..... it begs another question really.... is PHYSICAL all you want in a qb?


I think pretty much every 1st and 2nd round drafted QB is gifted physically right? what sets them apart?

Ben has loads of what separates the men from the boys when it comes to QB's... you can call it what you want.... but Roethlisberger HAS IT, and that's a big part of why he wins, and why he can bring a team that is down, back to win....

[element1286]

Winning Super Bowls means nothing when doing these comparisons because that is more a function of a team than any individual. I repeat, if Brees played on the same teams Ben did, the Steelers still would have won those Super Bowls and he would have put up better numbers than Ben did.

So what can Ben do physically that Brees can't do? Their accuracy percentages are the same but Brees has the stronger arm. Also, Ben has had better receivers to work woithm which goes back to my point that we would not even be having this conversation of Brees and Ben each had the same team to work with.

1. I don't know if you can say for sure the Steelers would have won the Super Bowls, but they wouldn't have been in that much worse of shape.

2. I do think Super Bowls should be taken into consideration, or at least winning something in the playoffs. As when it gets to playoff time, teams with mediocre qb's usually don't beat teams with great ones. QB is the most important position on the field, and thus has the most impact on the game.

3. I'm not sure if I agree with the receiver arguement. Colston is a better receiver than Hines Ward or Santonio Holmes has ever been.

4. Brees has had a far superior offensive line in his time with the Saints.

[Scorpion]

if Brees played on the same teams Ben did, the Steelers still would have won those Super Bowls and he would have put up better numbers than Ben did.
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lol, what makes you think you are so right? 75% of your picks here are LOSERS, now I know why

lol

[ipickwinners]

Winning Super Bowls means nothing when doing these comparisons because that is more a function of a team than any individual. I repeat, if Brees played on the same teams Ben did, the Steelers still would have won those Super Bowls and he would have put up better numbers than Ben did.

So what can Ben do physically that Brees can't do? Their accuracy percentages are the same but Brees has the stronger arm. Also, Ben has had better receivers to work woithm which goes back to my point that we would not even be having this conversation of Brees and Ben each had the same team to work with.

big ben can throw the ball 65-70 yards...guy is 6'5" 255....ben is much stronger than brees and eludes a ton of sacks every game and has way better pocket presence....ben should be getting sacked 8-10 times a game every game but he keeps the play alive by his strength, agility and pocket presence

[Chi_archie]

Roethlisberger and Peyton are the top 2 Qb's you want with the ball down by 7 or less with 2 mins left in the fourth Quarter on your own 12 yard line

[ipickwinners]

i know ben didnt win the 1st superbowl for them, but he sure did carry them on his back to get them there....if anyone missed a post i made earlier in this thread, and are interested in numbers, here are some for u...


[COLOR=#000000 !important]in the 3 playoff games that the steelers played to get to the superbowl in 2005 here are big bens numbers .....49 out of 72 = 68%...680 yards....226 yards per game....7 TDS 1 INT....if that isnt doing it for u for the guys 2nd year in the league, i dont know what to tell u[/COLOR]

[ipickwinners]

Roethlisberger and Peyton are the top 2 Qb's you want with the ball down by 7 or less with 2 mins left in the fourth Quarter on your own 12 yard line

i think i would go with peyton, brady and then ben.....ben JUUUUST behind brady though...brady is pretty amazing

[Chi_archie]

another interesting factoid on the road to the steelers superbowl win in 05.... beyond Ipick's stats of how superlative Roethlisberger played in the 3 ROAD playoff games leading up to the super bowl (remember they were a wild card)


Ben led the Steelers to SIX come from behind victories in the fourth quarter that year

[ipickwinners]

im telling u....im not sure, and not about to look up this stat....but i think ben either has the most, or is in 2nd in 4th quarter come from behind wins or tieing the ball game up drives since he came into the league. id be interested if someone could find that stat, it would suprise a lot of these big ben haters

[LT Profits]

lol, what makes you think you are so right? 75% of your picks here are LOSERS, now I know why

lol

Math is not your best subject? I had 14 straight winning seasons at SBR before this MLB season, so yeah, 75% losers sounds about right.

Fact is, Brees has not yet had the postseason opportunities Ben has had, so let's have this conversation again in a few years. It looks like Brees may get his chance this year.

[element1286]

Math is not your best subject? I had 14 straight winning seasons at SBR before this MLB season, so yeah, 75% losers sounds about right.

Fact is, Brees has not yet had the postseason opportunities Ben has had, so let's have this conversation again in a few years. It looks like Brees may get his chance this year.

Fair enough.

[Chi_archie]

he has 15 4th quarter come from behind victories in his first 5 seasons


by comparison Elway had 34 and Marino had 36 in their career

Peyton has had 28 in 11 seasons, so Ben actually does it more often than Manning

[ipickwinners]

brees has two more full seasons more than ben, and yet ben has two more rings and more playoff wins that brees...interesting


lets let ben get two more years under his belt and then lets see who the better QB is, seeing as brees has way more playing time than ben

[ipickwinners]

he has 15 4th quarter come from behind victories in his first 5 seasons


by comparison Elway had 34 and Marino had 36 in their career

Peyton has had 28 in 11 seasons, so Ben actually does it more often than Manning

wow...im glad you were able to find that stat.....wowwwwwww...thats a huge stat....if that doest tell u guys what kind of a QB ben is and the fact that he has that 'it' factor...just wow...some guys have it, and some dont....ben has it

[xxxvince]

drew breese no contest

[DeluxeLiner]

brees has two more full seasons more than ben, and yet ben has two more rings and more playoff wins that brees...interesting


lets let ben get two more years under his belt and then lets see who the better QB is, seeing as brees has way more playing time than ben

Steelers are a defense team...Brees (until this year, sort of) has had some of the weakest defensive support in the league.

I would take Brees for sure.

[ipickwinners]

Steelers are a defense team...Brees (until this year, sort of) has had some of the weakest defensive support in the league.

I would take Brees for sure.

do any of these stats make ben any good?


in the 3 playoff games that the steelers played to get to the superbowl in 2005 here are big bens numbers .....49 out of 72 = 68%...680 yards....226 yards per game....7 TDS 1 INT....if that isnt doing it for u for the guys 2nd year in the league, i dont know what to tell u

big ben has 15 4th quarter come from behind victories in his first 5 seasons


by comparison Elway had 34 and Marino had 36 in their career

Peyton has had 28 in 11 seasons, so Ben actually does it more often than Manning

[ipickwinners]

also remember those stats from the 3 road games that big ben took them to the superbowl was only his 2nd year.....2nd year play...wow...

[ipickwinners]

remember....big ben holds the record for most consecutive wins as a starting QB as a rookie, at 15 wins, including 1 playoff game

[ZBOIZ]

Ben won those Superbowls off of defense. If Ben played for the Saints no way they would have came back and beat the Dolphins. Ben came into this league with a great supporting cast and a strong franchise! If he played anywere else his ass wouldn't have won nothing. If Brees played for the Steelers he would of had 2 rings also!

[ipickwinners]

a lot of woulda shoulda couldavs....lets forget about all the woulda shoulda couldavs for once second and see which player has more rings, ben, the end.

[ZBOIZ]

Ben is not the reason they won 15 in a row. They ran the ball and played conservative. All Ben did was said "hike"

[ZBOIZ]

Ben is not better than Brees!

Pull out the accuracy boards and I bet Brees kills him with accuracy

[RaisyDaisy]

I would take Brees as his accuracy is unmatched. For a shorter guy he gets the job done very well.

[ipickwinners]

in his 1st season where they won 15 in a row....ben had a QB rating of 98....66% completion percentage and threw for 187 yards a game in a 65-35 run/offense... 17 TDs and 11 INTs

ill agree ben didnt win all those games for the steelers, but he sure as hell didnt lose them for them....guy is a stud, bottom line

zboiz how are u deflecting the come from behind victories ben has put up in his career? how do u explain those? he is on pace to shatter the record (that is if he stays healthy and continue to pay well and has the opportunities)

[ipickwinners]

Ben is not better than Brees!

Pull out the accuracy boards and I bet Brees kills him with accuracy

why do u brees supports keep bring up this accuracy shit??? his completiong percentage is 1% more than ben...its bascially the same

[LT Profits]

a lot of woulda shoulda couldavs....lets forget about all the woulda shoulda couldavs for once second and see which player has more rings, ben, the end.

That's not a fair conclusion because Brees has not yet had the postseason opportunities. What happens this year may go a long way toward settling this argument. Again, this debate needs a few more years to reach any valid conclusions.

[ipickwinners]

That's not a fair conclusion because Brees has not yet had the postseason opportunities. What happens this year may go a long way toward settling this argument. Again, this debate needs a few more years to reach any valid conclusions.

so you are saying if saints win superbowl brees is def better QB because he finally has a good D? but still would have 1 less ring than ben.....but if he doesnt win this years superbowl ben is def better

[ipickwinners]

lets not forget steelers won their 2nd superbowl with ben with the hardest schedule in NFL history

[ZBOIZ]

So ipickwinners in so many words you are saying Ben is better than Dan Marino. Marino has no rings!

[ipickwinners]

So ipickwinners in so many words you are saying Ben is better than Dan Marino. Marino has no rings!

i never said that

but would u like to comment on his come from behind victories? did the defense win those games for him?