Indianapolis Colts +8

[asiagambler]

https://pressboxonline.com/2023/09/2...-to-the-colts/

I'm just repeating myself over and over again at this point. Nothing you say or post has any substance. You just repost articles written by no names that say nothing in particular except make broad generalizations like you. Ravens had a lot of injuries. They lost. So that must be the reason

Stanley isn't missed at all. Do you not get it ??? Stanley is HORRIBLE. He is NOTHING like his 2019 form. There's a 50/50 chance Ravens move on from his this offseason. He's never healthy and is average at best when he does play. Anything Mekari did against a VERY GOOD Colts' DL was almost certainly better than what Stanley would have done.

Mustipher didn't even play a bad game. I don't know how many times I can say this. The evidence is right there if you watched the game or know what you're even looking at. One bad snap IN WET CONDITIONS THAT ANY CENTER CAN BE PRONE TO doesn't nullify that

Oweh is a complete ZERO. I don't know how many times I can keep repeating this. He is not a factor at all. Zero. Does nothing well. And for the 100th time, Ojabo was his replacement, NOT Moon. Ojabo got hurt DURING the game. Moon was pretty bad, so yeah, he filled in for Oweh perfectly

And yes bring up Humphrey who hasn't played at all this season. Nevermind that Stephens (the guy you think is a safety) has played excellently in his place. What kind of edge is in injury information that's from training camp ???

Say something meaningful instead of just parroting this nonsense. Tell me why Mustipher played badly (he didn't). Tell me why Mekari was a downgrade from Stanley (he wasn't). But you can't because you have nothing of substance

[asiagambler]

I was going to ignore this but had a change of heart. VORP? We aren't talking baseball, basketball or fantasy. Outside of a QB, most players aren't even worth a point unless it's a player such as TJWatt. Injuries in the NFL should be looked at exponentially, not linearly. If one player on the OL is OUT, the line may not move at all. If 5 players are OUT on the OL, then it should be considered.

Isn't that kind of the point ?

If most players don't matter (they don't) then why are you acting like these injuries matter ?

If 5 players were out on the OL then it should be considered. Agreed, the first point you made that I agree with

So what does that have to do with this game ?

5 players weren't out on the OL.

2 players were.

Both players have been out since WEEK 1. Both replacements have played as good if not better than them. So why are you making a point adjustment there? Because one was a 1st round pick and the other was undrafted ?

I must have said some version of this about 10 times in this thread

The replacements have been "more than adequate."

"Some of those injuries are really stale, like months old."

Every single time, it went over your head for some reason but now you say you get it lol

[raiders72001]

Isn't that kind of the point ?

If most players don't matter (they don't) then why are you acting like these injuries matter ?

If 5 players were out on the OL then it should be considered. Agreed, the first point you made that I agree with

So what does that have to do with this game ?

5 players weren't out on the OL.

2 players were.

Both players have been out since WEEK 1. Both replacements have played as good if not better than them. So why are you making a point adjustment there? Because one was a 1st round pick and the other was undrafted ?

I must have said some version of this about 10 times in this thread

The replacements have been "more than adequate."

"Some of those injuries are really stale, like months old."

Every single time, it went over your head for some reason but now you say you get it lol

I'm not going to go over every one of your edits or waste time with everything above that you've said wrong. There's a reason for your edits.

I have no idea what game you watched. The sole reason for the loss were replacement players, including the two off the practice squad Moon and Drake.

1. Mustipher many bad snaps.
2. Moon off the practice squad didn't jump on a fumble.
3. Drake off the practice squad lost a fumble.
4. Beckham out didn't allow Balt to spread out the field, no deep threat.

[raiders72001]

Sacks and bad snaps

SThe Ravens’ offensive line fill-ins, Patrick Mekari at left tackle and Sam Mustipher at center, performed extremely well at Cincinnati last week but had their hands full in this game. Mekari was beaten by Samson Ebukam on a sack that forced a fumble, though Jackson recovered it. Colts defensive tackle Taven Bryan also forced a fumble, and Mustipher sent an ankle-high snap to Jackson that proved to be the team’s third fumble on three second-quarter possessions.,

AG- only in your world can a team play with 20 backups and it wouldn't make a difference. Bringing up guys from the practice squad is bottom of the barrel. Practice squad players aren't as good as starters.

The problem is you had your mind made up before the game and can't admit that you were wrong.

[asiagambler]

I'm not going to go over everyone of your edits or waste time with everything above that you've said wrong. There's a reason for your edits.

I have no idea what game you watched. The sole reason for the loss were replacement players, including the two off the practice squad Moon and Drake.

1. Mustipher many bad snaps.
2. Moon off the practice squad didn't jump on a fumble.
3. Drake off the practice squad lost a fumble.
4. Beckham out didn't allow Balt to spread out the field, no deep threat.

1. Mustipher had 1 bad snap. You're just making things up now. You clearly didn't watch the game. You clearly don't know anything about these teams. Mustipher has played fine since Week 1. WEEK 1!! He didn't just start playing this game. He's BEEN PLAYING and BEEN PLAYING GOOD. You refuse to respond to this because you know you're wrong so you just make things up

2. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA you're turning into a joke now. Moon wasn't even supposed to play much and the only reason he did was because Ojabo got hurt during the game. Even so, didn't jump on a fumble???? You clearly know nothing about the DL or their rotation. I've told you this many times that Oweh --> Moon is literally zero difference. You refuse to respond to this because you don't know anything except Oweh was starting (only because Bowser was hurt) and Moon was a practice squad guy

3. Drake lost a fumble and that was a factor in why they didn't cover and didn't win, sure. But Hill/Edwards/Gordon to Edwards/Drake/Gordon is literally zero difference. So what are you saying, you knew the backup would fumble but the starter wouldn't?? The fumble had MUCH MORE to do with the wet conditions than that Drake was a backup. Why don't you actually compare the players that played with the players they replaced. That's the whole point of finding value in the number. Just pointing out a high variance play that happened doesn't do anything

4. HAHAHHAHAHHAHA x2 I said this already in my second or third post. Beckham is not that guy anymore. Are you still living in 2016?? Beckham has barely done anything as a Raven. He's a shell of himself. His knee is completely wrecked and he's nowhere close to the player he once was. Get real

The sole reason they lost ????

You're either trolling or you've completely lost it

There were many reasons why they lost. The replacement players weren't perfect, of course not. Why would they be? They made a few mistakes here and there, just like starters and backups on both teams throughout the course of the game. Sole reason they lost???? You're just sunk cost fallacy at this point. Continuing to double and triple down on your nonsense and you refuse to actually say anything of substance

[raiders72001]

Why do you think practice squad players are as good as starters? Those 2 alone were a big cause of the loss. If 20 backups played in the game, would it change the outcome? Everyone but Lamar.

[asiagambler]

Sacks and bad snaps

AG- only in your world can a team play with 20 backups and it wouldn't make a difference. Bringing up guys from the practice squad is bottom of the barrel.

The problem is you had your mind made up before the game and can't admit that you were wrong.

So now it's 20 backups ????

You can't admit you didn't know anything about either team. I said NOTHING about your bet

You said Baltimore has too many injuries. I simply told you to look deeper, it's not really that bad. Then I proceeded to give you many reasons why

You ignored all of it because you're clueless and had no response

Literally EVERYTHING I said in this thread was correct. Everything. Right down to Jackson struggling with ball security in the rain. Rain was your biggest ally exactly as I said

Now you just making things up to support your theory

Furthermore, I know this will go over your head too and you won't respond to this either but I'll say it anyway. Furthermore, you said NOTHING about why these backup players would perform badly. NOTHING. Forget that they didn't and you're making things up. You couldn't tell me one good reason why these replacement players would play badly. Because you didn't have one. All you kept saying was "one guy was undrafted, he's a bum" or "practice squad guys can't play at the level of a starter"

I mean you have to be able to tell how ridiculous you sound. Or maybe not

[raiders72001]

OL problems

Patrick Mekari allowed a sack to Samon Ebukam, Kevin Zeitler was beaten clean by Taven Bryan for a strip, and Sam Mustipher had a bad snap that cost the team a drive.

[raiders72001]

AG- How many backups matter? Very little of what you say is correct. You think practice squad players are as good as backups?

The Ravens offensive line has some issues. Mekari and Mustipher are short-term placeholders. They can hold up here and there but are not consistent enough to last for long periods of time. That showed as they got up for the Bengals but could not string it together in a big game against the Colts.

[asiagambler]

Why do you think practice squad players are as good as starters? Those 2 alone were a big cause of the loss. If 20 backups played in the game, would it change the outcome? Everyone but Lamar.

Did I say all practice squad guys are as good as starters? Are you really this dense?

Mustipher - technically a practice squad guy at the beginning of the year but started all last year for Chicago. Despite looking bad (mostly because of Fields), he was rated as a solid middle of the pack center by PFF last year. He came in DURING WEEK 1! He's PLAYED ABSOLUTELY FINE SINCE THEN. This is like the 100th time I've said this. That's why I think "practice squad guy is good as a starter" Because he's shown it all season !! Do you get it now ???

Brandon Stephens - filling in for Humphrey. Go look up his PFF grade. Go watch him on film. He's been EXCELLENT in coverage and been more than adequate

Who else Moon ???

For the 1000th time Moon was NEVER SUPPOSED TO START. Moon was NEVER EVEN SUPPOSED TO PLAY THAT MUCH. He only did because Ojabo got hurt. Moon was depth plain and simple. But the guy he's replacing??? Oweh??? Complete trash. So even IF Moon was pressed into service, his level of play (poor) would at WORST match Oweh's level of play (poor). Do you get it now??? I've only said this about 1000 times already

Who else???? Maulet??

The guy he's replacing Washington was HORRIBLE last week. Gave up two touchdowns. I said all this. Maulet has plenty of experience. Started plenty of times for Pittsburgh. He's easily an adequate replacement for Washington. He came off the practice squad and played as well as a starter. You getting this yet???

Who else ???

[raiders72001]

Things may have gotten worse

5 more Ravens players injured coming out of Week 3 loss to Colts

https://ebonybird.com/posts/5-more-r...s-01hb6y970ak8

[asiagambler]

AG- How many backups matter? Very little of what you say is correct.

EVERYTHING I said was correct. No matter how many no-name publications you post doesn't make YOU correct. I can show an actual legitimate source that showed Mustipher played fine and I did earlier in the thread. Aside from ONE bad snap, he was excellent. Zero pressures allowed, key block on Lamar's touchdown. He was the definition of holding up here

Mekari sure. He wasn't that great. Gave up a sack. And I'll say again, the player he was replacing (Stanley) has been HORRIBLE. Never healthy, average at best. Mekari against the Colts wasn't any kind of meaningful downgrade from Stanley.

[raiders72001]

Did I say all practice squad guys are as good as starters? Are you really this dense?

Mustipher - technically a practice squad guy at the beginning of the year but started all last year for Chicago. Despite looking bad (mostly because of Fields), he was rated as a solid middle of the pack center by PFF last year. He came in DURING WEEK 1! He's PLAYED ABSOLUTELY FINE SINCE THEN. This is like the 100th time I've said this. That's why I think "practice squad guy is good as a starter" Because he's shown it all season !! Do you get it now ???

Brandon Stephens - filling in for Humphrey. Go look up his PFF grade. Go watch him on film. He's been EXCELLENT in coverage and been more than adequate

Who else Moon ???

For the 1000th time Moon was NEVER SUPPOSED TO START. Moon was NEVER EVEN SUPPOSED TO PLAY THAT MUCH. He only did because Ojabo got hurt. Moon was depth plain and simple. But the guy he's replacing??? Oweh??? Complete trash. So even IF Moon was pressed into service, his level of play (poor) would at WORST match Oweh's level of play (poor). Do you get it now??? I've only said this about 1000 times already

Who else???? Maulet??

The guy he's replacing Washington was HORRIBLE last week. Gave up two touchdowns. I said all this. Maulet has plenty of experience. Started plenty of times for Pittsburgh. He's easily an adequate replacement for Washington. He came off the practice squad and played as well as a starter. You getting this yet???

Who else ???

Moon and Drake came off the practice squad too.

So a team can't withstand 20 injuries but 10 is no problem? It shouldn't change the line?

[raiders72001]

The backups lost the game. That's fact. Let's worry about next week since it may get worse depending on how many come back.

5 more Ravens players injured coming out of Week 3 loss to Colts

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...ts-8-a-p3.html

[asiagambler]

Things may have gotten worse https://ebonybird.com/posts/5-more-r...s-01hb6y970ak8

LMAO didn't I say that to you ???

Didn't you watch the game? Gus Edwards out with a concussion. Ojabo hurt early, Stone nicked up. Bateman injured (foot?)

So that's now what 15 starters by your count right ?

LMAO you keep going back and forth between 7 and 10 starters out, which is it ?

How is it "up to 10" if "counting IR"

A starter is a starter I mean why are you counting players that replaced starters as starters???

[raiders72001]

EVERYTHING I said was correct. No matter how many no-name publications you post doesn't make YOU correct. I can show an actual legitimate source that showed Mustipher played fine and I did earlier in the thread. Aside from ONE bad snap, he was excellent. Zero pressures allowed, key block on Lamar's touchdown. He was the definition of holding up here

Mekari sure. He wasn't that great. Gave up a sack. And I'll say again, the player he was replacing (Stanley) has been HORRIBLE. Never healthy, average at best. Mekari against the Colts wasn't any kind of meaningful downgrade from Stanley.

You said practice squad player Moon was as good as the starter. Then deleted it.

[raiders72001]

Don't be afraid to answer. Give me 5 reasons for the loss.

[asiagambler]

Moon and Drake came off the practice squad too.

So a team can't withstand 20 injuries but 10 is no problem? It shouldn't change the line?

Because it was NEVER 10

Name the 10 starters out. You can't. Because it was NEVER 10. You don't know this team's depth chart so how are you going to keep saying 10 starters out as if it was fact??

[asiagambler]

You said practice squad player Moon was as good as the starter. Then deleted it.

I said Moon was as good as Oweh because Oweh is complete trash yes. And you disagree ???

Tell me why you disagree. You don't know Oweh. You don't watch Oweh. You don't know anything about this team. So how are you going to have an opinion on these players?

[raiders72001]

My mistake, you said practice player that didn't jump on a fumble was better than the starter.

Moon > Oweh there you go

[asiagambler]

Don't be afraid to answer. Give me 5 reasons for the loss.

LMAO I already told you why they lost.

Fumbling the ball 4 times, mostly because of the RAIN. -2 turnover differential I'm pretty sure has a low win-loss rate, agree ?

Colts DL played excellent. They got the better of the Ravens' OL. NOT because of injuries. Mustipher and Mekari played at the level of the starters. They just got beat that day. Simple as that

Terrible in game decisions from Harbaugh

Lamar played subpar as he's apt to do when it's wet outside. I literally said this. You can't honestly tell me you watched the game and you don't think what I said was true

[raiders72001]

7 starters OUT and 3 on IR.

How many starters can a team play without and it will not affect the line?

[asiagambler]

My mistake, you said practice player that didn't jump on a fumble was better than the starter.

I mean that's all you can come up with ??? Didn't jump on a fumble???? LMAO

I mean you do realize the whole point I was making was that Oweh has been a complete zero on the field. Yes I made some sarcastic comments about how "the pass rush may now get better with Oweh out." Or is that too nuanced for you?

Are you saying you disagree that Oweh is complete trash and his lackluster play can't be replicated by his backup, practice squad or otherwise?

I mean players are never busts?? Oweh is only playing because he's a high draft pick. He's been a disaster on the field. If you knew anything about him, you'd agree. That's the point I was making but apparently I made it too nuanced for you. You still can't actually tell me why I'm wrong though because you don't know either player

And so when it comes down to it, the line is never moving because Oweh gets replaced by Moon (even though that's not even what happened!). So what's the difference exactly???

[asiagambler]

7 starters OUT and 3 on IR.

How many starters can a team play without and it will not affect the line?

This isn't rocket science. There's no universal answer or number here. You look at WHO is out. You look at HOW LONG they've been out. You look at their REPLACEMENT and how they compare to the player that's out

That's all I did with my initial posts. I went a bit in detail about the players that are out, who's replacing them, who HAS ALREADY replaced them and played well and told you that "7 starters out" sounds bad sure, but isn't as bad as it sounds when you take a deeper look

[raiders72001]

I'll post this stuff again.

The injuries were noticeable this week.The Ravens took the field today minus seven projected starters, including wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. (ankle), tackle Ronnie Stanley (knee), center Tyler Linderbaum (ankle) and cornerback Marlon Humphrey, who has yet to play this season after undergoing foot surgery in August. Gus Edwards left the game to be evaluated for a concussion, and outside linebacker David Ojabo (ankle) also left the game with an injury.
The Ravens’ offensive line fill-ins, Patrick Mekari at left tackle and Sam Mustipher at center, performed extremely well at Cincinnati last week but had their hands full in this game. Mekari was beaten by Samson Ebukam on a sack that forced a fumble, though Jackson recovered it. Colts defensive tackle Taven Bryan also forced a fumble, and Mustipher sent an ankle-high snap to Jackson that proved to be the team’s third fumble on three second-quarter possessions.
The Ravens also were missing starting outside linebacker Odafe Oweh (ankle), and lost David Ojabo (ankle) during the game, leaving rookie Tavius Robinson and practice squad callup Jeremiah Moon, playing the first regular-season game of his two-year career, on the field for major minutes.

[asiagambler]

LMAO I already told you why they lost.

Fumbling the ball 4 times, mostly because of the RAIN. -2 turnover differential I'm pretty sure has a low win-loss rate, agree ?

Colts DL played excellent. They got the better of the Ravens' OL. NOT because of injuries. Mustipher and Mekari played at the level of the starters. They just got beat that day. Simple as that

Terrible in game decisions from Harbaugh

Lamar played subpar as he's apt to do when it's wet outside. I literally said this. You can't honestly tell me you watched the game and you don't think what I said was true

No reply to this ??

Do you really think Moon not jumping on a fumble was a bigger factor lmao. I mean be serious

[raiders72001]

Do you agree?

1. The Baltimore Ravens needed Tyler Linderbaum Sunday

If you could point to one player from the game that you wish Baltimore had back in their lineup, it has to be Tyler Linderbaum. This is for two seperate reasons. First, we all saw the bad snaps. Lamar Jackson made it work once or twice, but it cost the team a drive at point. These are small consistency issues that you do not get with a first-round starter.
Beyond that, Mustipher was not getting the drive in the run game. We knew that

2. Losing Justice Hill and Gus Edwards cost the Baltimore Ravens
The Baltimore Ravens' running back core has seen a lot of shuffling in the early weeks of the season. This is another case where they could withstand the issues for a bit, but eventually, it became too much. The first big loss was Justice Hill.
The Ravens specifically were using Justice Hill as the backup for J.K. Dobbins, and they made sure to get Hill more experience this year than any others because they saw his role in the offense as valuable. Dobbins went down, and the team went to Hill, but it did not take long for Hill to end up on the IR. We are not sure when or if he will return.
So, the team went into the game expecting to split things up between Melvin Gordon and Gus Edwards, although they also added Kenyan Drake into the mix. Drake brings the speed element that Hill and Dobbins bring, but Gordon and Edwards do not.
The issue is that Drake fumbled early in the game when the Ravens had all of the momentum, and then Edwards left the game with a concussion. It put the Ravens in a tough spot. They had to trust Drake, despite just signing and fumbling, and had to role with Melvin Gordon.
When you consider Keaton Mitchel is on the IR, the Ravens are down to their fourth speed back behind Dobbins, Mitchell, and Hill. Then, Gordon is behind Edwards as the power back. They are onto their fifth and sixth running backs, and we are only three weeks into the season. That is going to cost this team

3. Odell Beckham's injury hurt the Baltimore Ravens

The Baltimore Ravens lost Odell Beckham in week two, and while they do not see him missing significant time, they also sat him out for the week three matchup with the Indianapolis Colts. Beckham has not been a huge impact player in the box score, but he has been a game-changer on the field.
Beckham is the deep threat on this roster. Lamar Jackson makes sure to take a chance or two every week to keep the defense honest. Beckham has drawn a few penalties and grabbed a few deep balls as well.
The key for this is that he opens up space for the rest of the roster. Beckham keeps safeties from creeping to one side, and it keeps defenders ticking their steps back so that Beckham does not burn them. Without Beckham, there was less of a threat for the ball to go down the field. First, it had defenses creeping up in general.
More than that, it brought attention to Zay Flowers.

[asiagambler]

I'll post this stuff again.

I already replied to this. Beckham is a name only at this point. If you don't realize that then you've fallen behind. Plain and simple. Stanley? He's just a name too. He's average at best and never healthy. Humphrey has been out since training camp. His replacement Stephens has been fantastic in coverage. Mustipher has been fine. All these guys have been fine. You want to nit-pick a couple errors they made during the game? Sure, they made some mistakes. Just like some starters did too. They weren't the reason they lost. Lamar made some REALLY BAD mistakes. His mistakes were just as much a factor if not more.

[asiagambler]

Do you agree?

I already replied to this.

Mustipher has played fine in place of Linderbaum. Has played since Week 1. What value are you getting betting on injury from week 1?

Gus Edwards got injured during the game!! Same as Ojabo!! You're just posting the same nonsense drivel

[raiders72001]

I already replied to this. Beckham is a name only at this point. If you don't realize that then you've fallen behind. Plain and simple. Stanley? He's just a name too. He's average at best and never healthy. Humphrey has been out since training camp. His replacement Stephens has been fantastic in coverage. Mustipher has been fine. All these guys have been fine. You want to nit-pick a couple errors they made during the game? Sure, they made some mistakes. Just like some starters did too. They weren't the reason they lost. Lamar made some REALLY BAD mistakes. His mistakes were just as much a factor if not more.

Like I said. You're wrong on almost everything. Beckham spreads the field and the backups blew the game.

[asiagambler]

No I don't agree. Beckham is not a top receiver anymore

His knee is toast. The only reason Ravens gave him 15m was because it helped get Lamar to sign a long term deal

[raiders72001]

I already replied to this.

Mustipher has played fine in place of Linderbaum. Has played since Week 1. What value are you getting betting on injury from week 1?

Gus Edwards got injured during the game!! Same as Ojabo!! You're just posting the same nonsense drivel

And if Dobbins wasn't injured the Edwards injury wouldn't matter. Dobbins is a starter that's OUT.

[asiagambler]

Like I said. You're wrong on almost everything. Beckham spreads the field and the backups blew the game.

As usual, you say nothing of subtance. "BaCkUPs blEw ThE GamE"

Say it again with nothing to back you up. Beckham is not that guy anymore. You're delusional if you think so

[asiagambler]

And if Dobbins wasn't injured the Edwards injury wouldn't matter. Dobbins is a starter that's OUT.

Dobbins has been out since Week 1. What are you even trying to say here??

You were betting because Dobbins AND Hill were out? 2 starters right?

[raiders72001]

As usual, you say nothing of subtance. "BaCkUPs blEw ThE GamE"

Say it again with nothing to back you up. Beckham is not that guy anymore. You're delusional if you think so

again

3. Odell Beckham's injury hurt the Baltimore Ravens

The Baltimore Ravens lost Odell Beckham in week two, and while they do not see him missing significant time, they also sat him out for the week three matchup with the Indianapolis Colts. Beckham has not been a huge impact player in the box score, but he has been a game-changer on the field.
Beckham is the deep threat on this roster. Lamar Jackson makes sure to take a chance or two every week to keep the defense honest. Beckham has drawn a few penalties and grabbed a few deep balls as well.
The key for this is that he opens up space for the rest of the roster. Beckham keeps safeties from creeping to one side, and it keeps defenders ticking their steps back so that Beckham does not burn them. Without Beckham, there was less of a threat for the ball to go down the field. First, it had defenses creeping up in general.
More than that, it brought attention to Zay Flowers.