A Pennsylvania Sportsbook Is Arguing my Futures Bet on Djokovic Shouldn't be Refunded

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  • PharaohUB
    SBR MVP
    • 01-23-07
    • 4865

    #71
    Glad you got refunded but the book was right. Lines on Novak were better than they should have been due to the risk of him not playing. You get a better line because he might not play. Do you think the book should adjust your payout down if it turns out he does play? I’m guessing the answer is no.
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    • thomorino
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      • 06-01-17
      • 45842

      #72
      Originally posted by PharaohUB
      Glad you got refunded but the book was right. Lines on Novak were better than they should have been due to the risk of him not playing. You get a better line because he might not play. Do you think the book should adjust your payout down if it turns out he does play? I’m guessing the answer is no.
      That's an absurd argument. Many Books were dealing Djokavic at +115 to win the tournament, they were not pricing in the probability he wouldn't play at all.
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      • TommieGunshot
        SBR MVP
        • 03-27-12
        • 1596

        #73
        They should follow house rules, which is almost certainly "all bets are action".

        The reason they can refunding bets, is because they want the nice gesture to convince people to continue betting into their 30% hold. Are they also paying out everyone who bet Djokovic not to win? Of course not, because they won't even offer fair bets like that.

        I would much rather bet at the places that have 10% hold on futures and stick to the rules.
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        • WireWire
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 02-02-21
          • 942

          #74
          Originally posted by jjgold
          No case but bad pr

          Unibet is a tiny player in pa
          VERY tiny
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          • unlearn
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 03-22-14
            • 9031

            #75
            Surprised they caved. Glad you got your $5 bsck
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            • CanuckG
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 12-23-10
              • 21978

              #76
              Originally posted by thomorino
              That's an absurd argument. Many Books were dealing Djokavic at +115 to win the tournament, they were not pricing in the probability he wouldn't play at all.
              Why would a book adjust the price on Joker? He either plays or he doesn't. That's why the rules cover their ass regardless. Some book isn't going to offer him at +900 and bury themselves on the best player incase he somehow is allowed to play.
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              • PharaohUB
                SBR MVP
                • 01-23-07
                • 4865

                #77
                I’ve seen books that refund all bets if the favorite doesn’t play. This is to protect the books not you. Why you would want to change a rule that benefits players is beyond me. I got in +800 on zverev and +250 on medvedev when news started coming out Novak was being quarantined in a hotel. You made a poor decision betting on a guy at risk of not being allowed to play in Aussie open. That’s on you. They can’t just change rules because one person doesn’t like the outcome.
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                • thomorino
                  Restricted User
                  • 06-01-17
                  • 45842

                  #78
                  Originally posted by PharaohUB
                  I’ve seen books that refund all bets if the favorite doesn’t play. This is to protect the books not you. Why you would want to change a rule that benefits players is beyond me. I got in +800 on zverev and +250 on medvedev when news started coming out Novak was being quarantined in a hotel. You made a poor decision betting on a guy at risk of not being allowed to play in Aussie open. That’s on you. They can’t just change rules because one person doesn’t like the outcome.
                  The Australian government approved his ****, what happened was not foreseeable.
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                  • Optional
                    Administrator
                    • 06-10-10
                    • 61115

                    #79
                    Originally posted by thomorino

                    The Australian government approved his v1sas, what happened was not foreseeable.
                    No they didn't. v1sas to come here, or to the USA, cannot be pre-approved by anyone. Says on the forms subject to Homeland Security checks on arrival.

                    He got the same V1sa that you would apply for if coming here. You fill out an online form and make a declaration that you will meet the conditions when checked on arrival.


                    The real stuff up was that the local state govt told Tennis Australia that their local rules would allow him to cross their state border with proof of a previous infection. Which was true for inter-state visitors (all they control) but was opposite of what the Federal Govt had already told Tennis Australia.

                    The tourney director convinced himself that it would be ok based on that and told Djoko he was clear to come.

                    In no way shape or form did the federal govt, responsible for border rules, ever approve a v1sa or say anything but that there was no exemption possible for previous infected people at the time.




                    Let's see if you accept that now that you know, or repeat your claim again...
                    .
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                    • DontTailMe
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-24-19
                      • 2897

                      #80
                      Originally posted by thomorino
                      No it is relevant. If someone murders a player or the tournament keeps him from playing, bets should be refunded. There are exceptions to every rule. Your attitude is weak.
                      Nope. In the case of murder, the correct outcome would be to follow their rules and grade Djokovic a loss. Now, in a case like that, sportsbooks might very well refund the losing side of that future, but that would purely be a goodwill gesture done for customer relations / PR purposes.
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                      • Conqueror
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 12-08-13
                        • 16778

                        #81
                        Don't know where things stand now as per this subject, but you're owed a refund. Djokovic isn't participating in the tournament so how can a future on him still stand as a bet?
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                        • mjsuax13
                          Moderator
                          • 03-14-15
                          • 25051

                          #82
                          Originally posted by Conqueror
                          Don't know where things stand now as per this subject, but you're owed a refund. Djokovic isn't participating in the tournament so how can a future on him still stand as a bet?
                          We have confirmed they refunded his $4.50 parlay bet.
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                          • captrobey
                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                            • 09-02-10
                            • 34355

                            #83
                            Originally posted by mjsuax13
                            We have confirmed they refunded his $4.50 parlay bet.
                            Do not laugh that is a value meal DELICIOUS
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                            • mjsuax13
                              Moderator
                              • 03-14-15
                              • 25051

                              #84
                              Originally posted by captrobey
                              Do not laugh that is a value meal DELICIOUS
                              Good point. True.
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                              • captrobey
                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                • 09-02-10
                                • 34355

                                #85
                                Originally posted by mjsuax13
                                Good point. True.
                                I know i always have a good point not just on my head . I got a value meal at Sonic today i got a large iced coffee too and i added chocolate when i got home and made it into a Mocha.
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                                • Wrongside
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 09-26-15
                                  • 3579

                                  #86
                                  Originally posted by thomorino
                                  I said I agree that all futures bets should be cancelled and refunded, not just mine. I've said that multiple times.
                                  So, as a rule, you think this should always be the case, or just when you are holding a ticket on the guy? Or, just if it is the top guy? What about if it was Medvedev--same? Or the 5th ranked player, he matters a lot, no? So now you think all these people holding tickets (whether it be on. a 'favorite' or a long shot should have their tickets cancelled?
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                                  • DontTailMe
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 03-24-19
                                    • 2897

                                    #87
                                    Originally posted by Conqueror
                                    Don't know where things stand now as per this subject, but you're owed a refund. Djokovic isn't participating in the tournament so how can a future on him still stand as a bet?
                                    Jesus Christ, you couldn't be more wrong. Maybe next time read the thread. Rules are rules.

                                    This entire thread is stupid.
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                                    • mjsuax13
                                      Moderator
                                      • 03-14-15
                                      • 25051

                                      #88
                                      Originally posted by DontTailMe
                                      Jesus Christ, you couldn't be more wrong. Maybe next time read the thread. Rules are rules.

                                      This entire thread is stupid.
                                      Imagine what they do when they see his -150 bets…

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                                      • KS1986
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 05-20-17
                                        • 558

                                        #89
                                        All in futures mean you are placing a wager and regardless of what happens your bet stands. If a book refunds you it's only out of good will they are doing this. If you can't comprehend this you should probably gamble more.
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                                        • thomorino
                                          Restricted User
                                          • 06-01-17
                                          • 45842

                                          #90
                                          Originally posted by KS1986
                                          All in futures mean you are placing a wager and regardless of what happens your bet stands. If a book refunds you it's only out of good will they are doing this. If you can't comprehend this you should probably gamble more.
                                          Wrong, these bets did not account for a third party intervening to stop Djokovic from playing. Learn to read.
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                                          • thomorino
                                            Restricted User
                                            • 06-01-17
                                            • 45842

                                            #91
                                            Originally posted by Optional
                                            No they didn't. v1sas to come here, or to the USA, cannot be pre-approved by anyone. Says on the forms subject to Homeland Security checks on arrival.

                                            He got the same V1sa that you would apply for if coming here. You fill out an online form and make a declaration that you will meet the conditions when checked on arrival.


                                            The real stuff up was that the local state govt told Tennis Australia that their local rules would allow him to cross their state border with proof of a previous infection. Which was true for inter-state visitors (all they control) but was opposite of what the Federal Govt had already told Tennis Australia.

                                            The tourney director convinced himself that it would be ok based on that and told Djoko he was clear to come.

                                            In no way shape or form did the federal govt, responsible for border rules, ever approve a v1sa or say anything but that there was no exemption possible for previous infected people at the time.




                                            Let's see if you accept that now that you know, or repeat your claim again...
                                            You don't understand what I said. Obviously the national government did not approve Djokavic's **** - governments don't do that in advance of people entering the country usually anyways.

                                            What I'm saying is that the local government and the tennis association clearly approved of Djokavic's **** application and informed him that he would be able to play.

                                            The local Australian government and the Tennis association - which obviously doesn't control the country's border, made clear that Djokavic's **** would be accepted.

                                            The national government intervened for political reasons, there isn't a single remotely scientific based reason for not allowing a healthy young man with natural immunity in your country, the mistake Djokavic made on his **** was minor and not in bad faith.
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                                            • DontTailMe
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 03-24-19
                                              • 2897

                                              #92
                                              Originally posted by thomorino
                                              Wrong, these bets did not account for a third party intervening to stop Djokovic from playing. Learn to read.
                                              Please show this stipulation in the rules or the terms of the bet.
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                                              • thomorino
                                                Restricted User
                                                • 06-01-17
                                                • 45842

                                                #93
                                                Originally posted by DontTailMe
                                                Please show this stipulation in the rules or the terms of the bet.
                                                Again, there are exceptions to every rule. If someone killed a player before a tournament, if the tournament was cancelled - which happened multiple times in 2020.
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                                                • DontTailMe
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 03-24-19
                                                  • 2897

                                                  #94
                                                  Originally posted by thomorino
                                                  Again, there are exceptions to every rule. If someone killed a player before a tournament, if the tournament was cancelled - which happened multiple times in 2020.
                                                  Not when you have a contract between two parties. The exceptions have to be spelled out. I am amazed that someone who has seemingly been betting as long as you have believes that there are unwritten rules which must be abided by. That goes against everything which we preach here. The rules are the rules.

                                                  I'm actually beginning to think that you recognize how you were wrong and are now just committed to trolling everyone in this thread.
                                                  Last edited by DontTailMe; 01-22-22, 06:59 AM.
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                                                  • Optional
                                                    Administrator
                                                    • 06-10-10
                                                    • 61115

                                                    #95
                                                    Why not put your opinion to the Gaming Control Board Thomorino?

                                                    Nothing will change if people just bluster about stuff like this on forums and don't bother telling the people who can change it what you think.

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                                                    • ThanksForTheFade
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 04-05-21
                                                      • 1240

                                                      #96
                                                      Nothing more heart warming than optional shilling for his coworkers and banning innocents
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                                                      • big joe 1212
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 06-01-08
                                                        • 19380

                                                        #97
                                                        Morino bullied in every one of his threads
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                                                        • pavyracer
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 04-12-07
                                                          • 82626

                                                          #98
                                                          Arguing with morino is like arguing what came first..the chicken or the egg? The guy is lucky they refunded his $10 bet. Off course he doesn't post a screenshot of the refund because it is so small.
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                                                          • mjsuax13
                                                            Moderator
                                                            • 03-14-15
                                                            • 25051

                                                            #99
                                                            Originally posted by Optional
                                                            Why not put your opinion to the Gaming Control Board Thomorino?

                                                            Nothing will change if people just bluster about stuff like this on forums and don't bother telling the people who can change it what you think.

                                                            https://gamingcontrolboard.pa.gov/?p=106
                                                            He’s not going to do all that. He created this thread to argue with people. Books don’t give a rats shit about his opinion otherwise. Just another guy placing -160 bets with an “edge”
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                                                            • jjgold
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 07-20-05
                                                              • 388179

                                                              #100
                                                              But that was only $20 I throw that out the window
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                                                              • Smokey McPot
                                                                SBR High Roller
                                                                • 07-18-21
                                                                • 190

                                                                #101
                                                                It doesn’t matter how or why he didn’t play the tournament. Someone could’ve shot him walking into the stadium and the result is still the same, it’s an action play and unfortunately is graded as a loss. If you start debating different situations where a player was unable to start the tournament you open yourself up to all kinds of issues if you are a book.
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                                                                • thomorino
                                                                  Restricted User
                                                                  • 06-01-17
                                                                  • 45842

                                                                  #102
                                                                  Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                                  Arguing with morino is like arguing what came first..the chicken or the egg? The guy is lucky they refunded his $10 bet. Off course he doesn't post a screenshot of the refund because it is so small.
                                                                  Originally posted by mjsuax13

                                                                  He’s not going to do all that. He created this thread to argue with people. Books don’t give a rats shit about his opinion otherwise. Just another guy placing -160 bets with an “edge”
                                                                  2 unintelligent posters
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                                                                  • thomorino
                                                                    Restricted User
                                                                    • 06-01-17
                                                                    • 45842

                                                                    #103
                                                                    Originally posted by Optional
                                                                    Why not put your opinion to the Gaming Control Board Thomorino?

                                                                    Nothing will change if people just bluster about stuff like this on forums and don't bother telling the people who can change it what you think.

                                                                    https://gamingcontrolboard.pa.gov/?p=106
                                                                    These gaming boards are all political hacks, they don't know anything about gambling.
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                                                                    • thomorino
                                                                      Restricted User
                                                                      • 06-01-17
                                                                      • 45842

                                                                      #104
                                                                      Originally posted by DontTailMe
                                                                      Not when you have a contract between two parties. The exceptions have to be spelled out. I am amazed that someone who has seemingly been betting as long as you have believes that there are unwritten rules which must be abided by. That goes against everything which we preach here. The rules are the rules.

                                                                      I'm actually beginning to think that you recognize how you were wrong and are now just committed to trolling everyone in this thread.
                                                                      Every rule has an exception. If Djokavic died Ina nuclear attack bets should be refunded.

                                                                      Not refunding my bet would have violated the spirit of the rule.
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                                                                      • playersonly69
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 01-04-08
                                                                        • 12827

                                                                        #105
                                                                        Am I the only one who thinks that this original poster didnt actually make the bet in question???



                                                                        I am mean in NO WAY should all bets on Joker be refunded! That would effect the odds on all of the other players. Now maybe Morino bet $5 and since he bitched about it for a few days they got tired of him and gave him back his $5. But REST ASSURED that they did not offer anyone a refund with a bet over $100 on Joker or anyone else
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