Glad you got refunded but the book was right. Lines on Novak were better than they should have been due to the risk of him not playing. You get a better line because he might not play. Do you think the book should adjust your payout down if it turns out he does play? I’m guessing the answer is no.
A Pennsylvania Sportsbook Is Arguing my Futures Bet on Djokovic Shouldn't be Refunded
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PharaohUBSBR MVP
- 01-23-07
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#71Comment -
thomorinoRestricted User
- 06-01-17
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#72Glad you got refunded but the book was right. Lines on Novak were better than they should have been due to the risk of him not playing. You get a better line because he might not play. Do you think the book should adjust your payout down if it turns out he does play? I’m guessing the answer is no.Comment -
TommieGunshotSBR MVP
- 03-27-12
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#73They should follow house rules, which is almost certainly "all bets are action".
The reason they can refunding bets, is because they want the nice gesture to convince people to continue betting into their 30% hold. Are they also paying out everyone who bet Djokovic not to win? Of course not, because they won't even offer fair bets like that.
I would much rather bet at the places that have 10% hold on futures and stick to the rules.Comment -
unlearnSBR Hall of Famer
- 03-22-14
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#75Surprised they caved. Glad you got your $5 bsckComment -
CanuckGSBR Posting Legend
- 12-23-10
- 21978
#76Why would a book adjust the price on Joker? He either plays or he doesn't. That's why the rules cover their ass regardless. Some book isn't going to offer him at +900 and bury themselves on the best player incase he somehow is allowed to play.Comment -
PharaohUBSBR MVP
- 01-23-07
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#77I’ve seen books that refund all bets if the favorite doesn’t play. This is to protect the books not you. Why you would want to change a rule that benefits players is beyond me. I got in +800 on zverev and +250 on medvedev when news started coming out Novak was being quarantined in a hotel. You made a poor decision betting on a guy at risk of not being allowed to play in Aussie open. That’s on you. They can’t just change rules because one person doesn’t like the outcome.Comment -
thomorinoRestricted User
- 06-01-17
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#78I’ve seen books that refund all bets if the favorite doesn’t play. This is to protect the books not you. Why you would want to change a rule that benefits players is beyond me. I got in +800 on zverev and +250 on medvedev when news started coming out Novak was being quarantined in a hotel. You made a poor decision betting on a guy at risk of not being allowed to play in Aussie open. That’s on you. They can’t just change rules because one person doesn’t like the outcome.Comment -
OptionalAdministrator
- 06-10-10
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#79
He got the same V1sa that you would apply for if coming here. You fill out an online form and make a declaration that you will meet the conditions when checked on arrival.
The real stuff up was that the local state govt told Tennis Australia that their local rules would allow him to cross their state border with proof of a previous infection. Which was true for inter-state visitors (all they control) but was opposite of what the Federal Govt had already told Tennis Australia.
The tourney director convinced himself that it would be ok based on that and told Djoko he was clear to come.
In no way shape or form did the federal govt, responsible for border rules, ever approve a v1sa or say anything but that there was no exemption possible for previous infected people at the time.
Let's see if you accept that now that you know, or repeat your claim again....Comment -
DontTailMeSBR MVP
- 03-24-19
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#80Nope. In the case of murder, the correct outcome would be to follow their rules and grade Djokovic a loss. Now, in a case like that, sportsbooks might very well refund the losing side of that future, but that would purely be a goodwill gesture done for customer relations / PR purposes.Comment -
ConquerorSBR Posting Legend
- 12-08-13
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#81Don't know where things stand now as per this subject, but you're owed a refund. Djokovic isn't participating in the tournament so how can a future on him still stand as a bet?Comment -
mjsuax13Moderator
- 03-14-15
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WrongsideSBR MVP
- 09-26-15
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#86So, as a rule, you think this should always be the case, or just when you are holding a ticket on the guy? Or, just if it is the top guy? What about if it was Medvedev--same? Or the 5th ranked player, he matters a lot, no? So now you think all these people holding tickets (whether it be on. a 'favorite' or a long shot should have their tickets cancelled?Comment -
DontTailMeSBR MVP
- 03-24-19
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This entire thread is stupid.Comment -
mjsuax13Moderator
- 03-14-15
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#88
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KS1986SBR Wise Guy
- 05-20-17
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#89All in futures mean you are placing a wager and regardless of what happens your bet stands. If a book refunds you it's only out of good will they are doing this. If you can't comprehend this you should probably gamble more.Comment -
thomorinoRestricted User
- 06-01-17
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#90Wrong, these bets did not account for a third party intervening to stop Djokovic from playing. Learn to read.Comment -
thomorinoRestricted User
- 06-01-17
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#91No they didn't. v1sas to come here, or to the USA, cannot be pre-approved by anyone. Says on the forms subject to Homeland Security checks on arrival.
He got the same V1sa that you would apply for if coming here. You fill out an online form and make a declaration that you will meet the conditions when checked on arrival.
The real stuff up was that the local state govt told Tennis Australia that their local rules would allow him to cross their state border with proof of a previous infection. Which was true for inter-state visitors (all they control) but was opposite of what the Federal Govt had already told Tennis Australia.
The tourney director convinced himself that it would be ok based on that and told Djoko he was clear to come.
In no way shape or form did the federal govt, responsible for border rules, ever approve a v1sa or say anything but that there was no exemption possible for previous infected people at the time.
Let's see if you accept that now that you know, or repeat your claim again...
What I'm saying is that the local government and the tennis association clearly approved of Djokavic's **** application and informed him that he would be able to play.
The local Australian government and the Tennis association - which obviously doesn't control the country's border, made clear that Djokavic's **** would be accepted.
The national government intervened for political reasons, there isn't a single remotely scientific based reason for not allowing a healthy young man with natural immunity in your country, the mistake Djokavic made on his **** was minor and not in bad faith.Comment -
thomorinoRestricted User
- 06-01-17
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DontTailMeSBR MVP
- 03-24-19
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#94
I'm actually beginning to think that you recognize how you were wrong and are now just committed to trolling everyone in this thread.Last edited by DontTailMe; 01-22-22, 06:59 AM.Comment -
OptionalAdministrator
- 06-10-10
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#95Why not put your opinion to the Gaming Control Board Thomorino?
Nothing will change if people just bluster about stuff like this on forums and don't bother telling the people who can change it what you think.
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ThanksForTheFadeSBR MVP
- 04-05-21
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#96Nothing more heart warming than optional shilling for his coworkers and banning innocentsComment -
big joe 1212SBR Posting Legend
- 06-01-08
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#97Morino bullied in every one of his threadsComment -
pavyracerSBR Aristocracy
- 04-12-07
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#98Arguing with morino is like arguing what came first..the chicken or the egg? The guy is lucky they refunded his $10 bet. Off course he doesn't post a screenshot of the refund because it is so small.Comment -
mjsuax13Moderator
- 03-14-15
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#99Why not put your opinion to the Gaming Control Board Thomorino?
Nothing will change if people just bluster about stuff like this on forums and don't bother telling the people who can change it what you think.
https://gamingcontrolboard.pa.gov/?p=106Comment -
jjgoldSBR Aristocracy
- 07-20-05
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#100But that was only $20 I throw that out the windowComment -
Smokey McPotSBR High Roller
- 07-18-21
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#101It doesn’t matter how or why he didn’t play the tournament. Someone could’ve shot him walking into the stadium and the result is still the same, it’s an action play and unfortunately is graded as a loss. If you start debating different situations where a player was unable to start the tournament you open yourself up to all kinds of issues if you are a book.Comment -
thomorinoRestricted User
- 06-01-17
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#102Comment -
thomorinoRestricted User
- 06-01-17
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#103Why not put your opinion to the Gaming Control Board Thomorino?
Nothing will change if people just bluster about stuff like this on forums and don't bother telling the people who can change it what you think.
https://gamingcontrolboard.pa.gov/?p=106Comment -
thomorinoRestricted User
- 06-01-17
- 45842
#104Not when you have a contract between two parties. The exceptions have to be spelled out. I am amazed that someone who has seemingly been betting as long as you have believes that there are unwritten rules which must be abided by. That goes against everything which we preach here. The rules are the rules.
I'm actually beginning to think that you recognize how you were wrong and are now just committed to trolling everyone in this thread.
Not refunding my bet would have violated the spirit of the rule.Comment -
playersonly69SBR Posting Legend
- 01-04-08
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#105Am I the only one who thinks that this original poster didnt actually make the bet in question???
I am mean in NO WAY should all bets on Joker be refunded! That would effect the odds on all of the other players. Now maybe Morino bet $5 and since he bitched about it for a few days they got tired of him and gave him back his $5. But REST ASSURED that they did not offer anyone a refund with a bet over $100 on Joker or anyone elseComment
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