A Pennsylvania Sportsbook Is Arguing my Futures Bet on Djokovic Shouldn't be Refunded

[thomorino]

Am I the only one who thinks that this original poster didnt actually make the bet in question???



I am mean in NO WAY should all bets on Joker be refunded! That would effect the odds on all of the other players. Now maybe Morino bet $5 and since he bitched about it for a few days they got tired of him and gave him back his $5. But REST ASSURED that they did not offer anyone a refund with a bet over $100 on Joker or anyone else

Find activities. This is the second borderline retarded post I've read just today. Unibet made public they refunded all bets on Djokavic for the tournament as I have said multiple times.

[CanuckG]

Every rule has an exception. If Djokavic died Ina nuclear attack bets should be refunded.

Not refunding my bet would have violated the spirit of the rule.

But the rule doesn't have an exception. You're just saying it should. Books refunding these wagers are doing it for good PR, thats it.

[chargers4222]

Find activities. This is the second borderline retarded post I've read just today. Unibet made public they refunded all bets on Djokavic for the tournament as I have said multiple times.

Djokovic*

[pavyracer]

You can't refund futures ths is common sense. For example if Russia invades Ukraine and it is banned from the World Cup you are not getting a refund if you bet them today to win it all.

[thomorino]

But the rule doesn't have an exception. You're just saying it should. Books refunding these wagers are doing it for good PR, thats it.

Every rule has exceptions, that's the way the world works.

[thomorino]

You can't refund futures ths is common sense. For example if Russia invades Ukraine and it is banned from the World Cup you are not getting a refund if you bet them today to win it all.

Yes you are, and your argument that the poor books are stuck with all their other mispriced futures isn't persuasive anyways, books almost never offer fair value on top players or teams in the futures market.

[thomorino]

I got my refund, this debate is just going in circles.

Thread closed.

[kursonik]

This debate is going in circles, because only one person in this thread doesn't understand how futures works. In addition, this person is conceited, insolent and offensive to other people who understand how futures work. Period.

[chargers4222]

This thread is officially reopened, guys. Post away.

[mjsuax13]

they don't know anything about gambling.

So, you have a lot in common with them?

[thomorino]

This debate is going in circles, because only one person in this thread doesn't understand how futures works. In addition, this person is conceited, insolent and offensive to other people who understand how futures work. Period.

This thread is officially reopened, guys. Post away.

So, you have a lot in common with them?

3 unintelligent posters.

Thread is closed.

[DontTailMe]

Every rule has exceptions, that's the way the world works.

Weren't you the one who was citing bro contract law in a prior thread? And now you're trying to argue that the words written down on paper and implicitly agreed to by both parties don't matter here? LOLOLOL

At this point it's clear that you're just trolling us. Everyone should refrain from posting and let this nonsense die on the vine.

[thomorino]

Weren't you the one who was citing bro contract law in a prior thread? And now you're trying to argue that the words written down on paper and implicitly agreed to by both parties don't matter here? LOLOLOL

At this point it's clear that you're just trolling us. Everyone should refrain from posting and let this nonsense die on the vine.

Contract law does not apply here, there's no signed document. Stop talking. You don't know anything about anything, you are unintelligent.

[DontTailMe]

Contract law does not apply here, there's no signed document. Stop talking. You don't know anything about anything, you are unintelligent.

You don't need signatures to have a contract. You don't even need words written down on paper. They didn't teach you that at bro legal school?

Troll.

[thomorino]

You don't need signatures to have a contract. You don't even need words written down on paper. They didn't teach you that at bro legal school?

Troll.

Contact law is applicable for several reasons. First there is nothing in writing, second the exceptions to the statute of frauds wouldn't apply here, and third there is no consideration.

Legal books have to abide by state and federal law, but contract law is not applicable, gaming laws govern the legal books and those laws obviously vary by state.

Shut up.

[Steamroller]

Bookmakers have different rules. fe bet365 clearly have a rule "If you have placed a bet on To Win Outright, bets on the player who retires will be settled as lost where they have played at least one point in the tournament; if they have not played one point in the tournament, bets on the retired player will be made void and a Rule 4 Deduction may be made to bets on other players.

"The Rule 4 deduction is an Industry standard where a quoted deduction is applied for every 1.00 unit of currency won."

Industry standard boys. No idea what kind of bookmakers the NA folks are using

[thomorino]

Contact law is applicable for several reasons. First there is nothing in writing, second the exceptions to the statute of frauds wouldn't apply here, and third there is no consideration.

Legal books have to abide by state and federal law, but contract law is not applicable, gaming laws govern the legal books and those laws obviously vary by state.

Shut up.

I obviously meant contract law is not applicable.

[Barrakuda]

It doesn't matter if the player dies before the tournament. If it's an action wager, it should count.

[CanuckG]

Every rule has exceptions, that's the way the world works.

That’s not how sportsbook rules work. If there are exceptions they add it to the rules. If you can find a legal book that states if a player is not granted a **** or is murdered before playing a tournament then your wager is refunded I’d be shocked…..because you cant. You cant argue “all in is not persuasive enough” that is literally what all in means. You cant argue that.

Legal books have to make their T&C’s as clear as possible or else they open themselves up to numerous complaints and the last thing they want is their compliance team dealing with state regulators and risking their license.

The rule here is so cut & dry it isnt even up for debate. Now there are books who have rules where if the player doesn’t play at least one point futures are void. If Unibet had that rule there wouldn’t even be a thread. Like I said before these legal books are all about good PR. Pointsbet literally has a promo around refunding bad beats. It is smart to deal with it how they did as it likely cost them nothing because Unibet is a small time book with little handle.

[Steamroller]

It is smart to deal with it how they did as it likely cost them nothing because Unibet is a small time book with little handle.

Unibet is one of the biggest online bookmakers.

[thomorino]

This issue is over, this thread is closed.

[thomorino]

That’s not how sportsbook rules work. If there are exceptions they add it to the rules. If you can find a legal book that states if a player is not granted a **** or is murdered before playing a tournament then your wager is refunded I’d be shocked…..because you cant. You cant argue “all in is not persuasive enough” that is literally what all in means. You cant argue that.

Legal books have to make their T&C’s as clear as possible or else they open themselves up to numerous complaints and the last thing they want is their compliance team dealing with state regulators and risking their license.

The rule here is so cut & dry it isnt even up for debate. Now there are books who have rules where if the player doesn’t play at least one point futures are void. If Unibet had that rule there wouldn’t even be a thread. Like I said before these legal books are all about good PR. Pointsbet literally has a promo around refunding bad beats. It is smart to deal with it how they did as it likely cost them nothing because Unibet is a small time book with little handle.

He was not allowed to compete. You don't get to say all bets action then not allow a player to compete. Again he was stopped by an outside actor from competing.

Nothing on life is black and white. Stop being so simple.

[kursonik]

It doesn't matter if the player dies before the tournament. If it's an action wager, it should count.

That’s not how sportsbook rules work. If there are exceptions they add it to the rules. If you can find a legal book that states if a player is not granted a **** or is murdered before playing a tournament then your wager is refunded I’d be shocked…..because you cant. You cant argue “all in is not persuasive enough” that is literally what all in means. You cant argue that.

The rule here is so cut & dry it isnt even up for debate. Now there are books who have rules where if the player doesn’t play at least one point futures are void. If Unibet had that rule there wouldn’t even be a thread. Like I said before these legal books are all about good PR. Pointsbet literally has a promo around refunding bad beats. It is smart to deal with it how they did as it likely cost them nothing because Unibet is a small time book with little handle.

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He is not intelligent enough to understand such basic things. He got a $ 5 refund and thinks that is proof of his thesis

[TommieGunshot]

I got my refund, this debate is just going in circles.

Thread closed.

Wanting special treatment is not a debate. Wanting the rules to not apply to you is not a debate.

[pavyracer]

They saw your big square bet on Packers that will lose and figured to refund you the tennis future so you can bet more on them and lose.

[chargers4222]

This thread is reopened, guys. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

[mjsuax13]

This thread is reopened, guys. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Yes, delete this entire thread. We don’t want people to know one of us is this dumb.

[CanuckG]

Unibet is one of the biggest online bookmakers.

Not in PA. They are one of the smallest books by handle.

[CanuckG]

He was not allowed to compete. You don't get to say all bets action then not allow a player to compete. Again he was stopped by an outside actor from competing.

Nothing on life is black and white. Stop being so simple.

Not how it works. You should know this.

[jjgold]

Morino stop moaning about a $20 bet

Nobody cares

[captrobey]

This thread is reopened to post a picture

[big joe 1212]

Morino buried again

[DontTailMe]

I obviously meant contract law is not applicable.

Of course you have a contract. And by virtue of playing on the site you have agreed to that contract. Stop talking about law if you can't even recognize that simple fact, moron-o.

(And your contract has no stipulation for exception cases)

[terpkeg]

All futures action on bet from my experience. Any books have no action or must start tournament in rules? Would be good to know. So f'n time consuming mining through all the rules and terms at every shop

[mjsuax13]

Morino buried again

He had a rough day yesterday. Lost every bet and lost every argument.